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Stockon Experiments With Basic Income Program By Giving Some Residents $500/Month
https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/...kton-trial

"What would a needy person do if you gave them $500 a month, no strings attached?

Stockton, California, is finding out. The city is eight months into an 18-month experiment with basic income, the idea that the government should give citizens a regular infusion of unconditional free cash. And it just released the first batch of data about how recipients are spending the money."


What do others here think about this?

Are these people being prepared for the day when a robot has taken over their job? And where would the money come if everyone received a check?
10-09-2019 01:09 PM
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RE: Stockon Experiments With Basic Income Program By Giving Some Residents $500/Month
From the bank. With negative interest rates, the bank would pay you to take a loan.
10-09-2019 01:15 PM
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Quote:But it offers a counter to critics of basic income, who often claim that people getting free money will blow it on frivolous things or addictive substances, and that they won’t bother to find work. The evidence does not support that belief.

Nobody made that claim

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In an ethics free world I would propose offering UBI to people who agree to sterilization as a condition.

Give it twenty years and we would have largely bred out the K selected population
10-09-2019 01:58 PM
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Even if you already have ten kids?

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10-09-2019 02:01 PM
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(10-09-2019 01:09 PM)Salinger Wrote:  https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/...kton-trial

"What would a needy person do if you gave them $500 a month, no strings attached?

Stockton, California, is finding out. The city is eight months into an 18-month experiment with basic income, the idea that the government should give citizens a regular infusion of unconditional free cash. And it just released the first batch of data about how recipients are spending the money."


What do others here think about this?

Are these people being prepared for the day when a robot has taken over their job? And where would the money come if everyone received a check?

Why didn't you quote the most relevant part of the whole article? Emphasis mine:

Quote:Here’s another wrinkle in the Stockton basic income trial: Each participant was given $500 per month on a debit card, so that researchers would be able to see how they were using the money. However, 40 percent of it was withdrawn as cash, so researchers had to rely on participants to tell them where the money went.

So nearly half the money is essentially completely unaccounted for (people have an incentive to tell researchers they spent it responsibly...who wants to be viewed as irresponsible?) so their statistics and their conclusion are horse shit.

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(10-09-2019 02:01 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Even if you already have ten kids?

Better than having 11, haha. But the idea is that you have now 10 kids who are better off. But since he had 10 I'll trust giving the money directly to the kids.
10-09-2019 03:18 PM
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Interesting, reminds me of Andrew Yang.

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10-09-2019 05:03 PM
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An interesting way to turn money into worthless paper.
10-09-2019 05:20 PM
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Most people in Stockton are outlaw bikers. This money will go to Harley parts or more likely ransom.

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10-09-2019 05:30 PM
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RE: Stockon Experiments With Basic Income Program By Giving Some Residents $500/Month
Let's see the turmoil when they try to cancel it. Once a welfare program starts, it never goes away.


(10-09-2019 03:11 PM)AneroidOcean Wrote:  
Quote:Here’s another wrinkle in the Stockton basic income trial: Each participant was given $500 per month on a debit card, so that researchers would be able to see how they were using the money. However, 40 percent of it was withdrawn as cash, so researchers had to rely on participants to tell them where the money went.

So nearly half the money is essentially completely unaccounted for (people have an incentive to tell researchers they spent it responsibly...who wants to be viewed as irresponsible?) so their statistics and their conclusion are horse shit.

Neat!

Plus:

Quote:40 percent of their basic income on food, 24 percent on sales and merchandise, 11 percent on utility bills, and 9 percent on car repairs and gas.

What do you want to bet that "food" was alcohol and "sales and merchandise" was cigarettes.
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Increasing population.

Decreasing jobs due to automation.

The difference has thus far been soaked up in government make-work and slashing middle class full-time jobs into multiple part-time serf positions.

The Left keeps winning because it offers solutions, however retarded they might be. Other than solutions like "the poor can go fuck themselves but hopefully if we post enough 'socialism BAD' memes they'll starve to death politely instead of voting Left", what is the Right offering to solve this problem?

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One step closer to 1984. If you dole out just enough for people to live on, they will become dependent on the benefactor just as a dog depends on its master. Control a person's housing /food supply and they will shackle themselves to the source.
10-10-2019 02:31 AM
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(10-09-2019 01:58 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  In an ethics free world I would propose offering UBI to people who agree to sterilization as a condition.

Give it twenty years and we would have largely bred out the K selected population

That will likely be one of the conditions - though it will be their k-selection - top-down style.

UBI is a trap - they expect it to be rolled out almost everywhere in the West due to technological unemployment, so it might become a necessity.

But after the first free time, it will come with conditions - forced vaccinations, surrendering of your guns, sterilization, re-education camps if you post something bad on Facebook or your UBI cash is gone....
10-10-2019 05:29 AM
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In Europe we call giving free money each month: "the replacement program".

And yes, it works.
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