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RE: The inexorable decline of American cities
(10-21-2019 11:40 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  @Simeon_Strangelight

Japan manages to be a high-trust civilization and china is a shithole in comparison. I read that China also used to be high-trust in ancient/classical eras. But somewhere along the line it turned to crap. Dont know if the mongols helped bring it about or the Manchus or Communists.

But since the Qing there seems to be aesthetic degradation and decline of capability to build/create beautifully.

China is objectively shittier in a social sense than even those who adopted their high-culture during the Tang Dynasty like Korea also.

I worked a job dealing with a lot of Japanese and Chinese tourists, and you are spot on. Generally the Japanese are some of the most polite, well mannered people I've ever seen. I've met some nice Chinese people, but as a whole they're a pain in the ass to deal with and I don't trust them at all. Japan puts China to shame.
10-22-2019 01:28 AM
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(10-14-2019 07:57 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I frankly think the uglier truth is that importing low-trust outsiders to do work in your nation results in these catastrophes not because they're especially incompetent but simply because they either don't care about the natives that die later, or worse, actually think it's funny or just.

Mexicans build massive structures in Mexico, Indians build them in India and Chinese build them in China.

Now would you trust a bunch of Indians and Chinese and Mexicans with a proven track record in their home nations to build you a school for your lily white kids?

Fuck no. Because they don't care about your people and they know that when the local gravy train ends that they're going to be able to zip off back to their homeland with profits in hand and laugh all the way.

That's why Manuel and Bhanesh are only slapping in every third bolt or spot welding instead of beading the whole seam. Because "fuck these people, they're not my people."

So true.
10-22-2019 05:34 AM
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RE: The inexorable decline of American cities
(10-14-2019 07:57 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  I frankly think the uglier truth is that importing low-trust outsiders to do work in your nation results in these catastrophes not because they're especially incompetent but simply because they either don't care about the natives that die later, or worse, actually think it's funny or just.

Mexicans build massive structures in Mexico, Indians build them in India and Chinese build them in China.

Now would you trust a bunch of Indians and Chinese and Mexicans with a proven track record in their home nations to build you a school for your lily white kids?


Fuck no. Because they don't care about your people and they know that when the local gravy train ends that they're going to be able to zip off back to their homeland with profits in hand and laugh all the way.

That's why Manuel and Bhanesh are only slapping in every third bolt or spot welding instead of beading the whole seam. Because "fuck these people, they're not my people."

Looks like a good argument for Civic Nationalists to exclude all low-trust people de-facto in immigration.
10-22-2019 07:12 AM
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(10-22-2019 07:12 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  Looks like a good argument for Civic Nationalists to exclude all low-trust people de-facto in immigration.

The globalists are specifically importing these. The Lyor Cohen's of the world know how to deal with them as a group while the atomized locals get brutalized by the low trust outsiders.

Globalists are used to live among the lower and underclasses of every country, to deal with them, to befriend them and to weaponize them in form of communism.
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10-22-2019 08:23 AM
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(10-22-2019 01:28 AM)TigOlBitties Wrote:  
(10-21-2019 11:40 PM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  @Simeon_Strangelight

Japan manages to be a high-trust civilization and china is a shithole in comparison. I read that China also used to be high-trust in ancient/classical eras. But somewhere along the line it turned to crap. Dont know if the mongols helped bring it about or the Manchus or Communists.

But since the Qing there seems to be aesthetic degradation and decline of capability to build/create beautifully.

China is objectively shittier in a social sense than even those who adopted their high-culture during the Tang Dynasty like Korea also.

I worked a job dealing with a lot of Japanese and Chinese tourists, and you are spot on. Generally the Japanese are some of the most polite, well mannered people I've ever seen. I've met some nice Chinese people, but as a whole they're a pain in the ass to deal with and I don't trust them at all. Japan puts China to shame.

Tourists are representative of the current mindset and this does not surprise me. But when we look at the Chinese we have to set them about on the stage of Dickensian Europe of the 19th century. The Chinese as a people however have created also Singapore, Hong Kong (here with the British, but success would be impossible without them), Taiwan. Their diaspora is successful and educated across the world - Chinese Americans do very well in the US and not only there. Also in Hong Kong you see the Chinese fighting for freedom against the Orwellian Chinese communists.

China has had a static and rather exploitative system led by women and eunuchs before the takeover of the British and then the commies. But I wouldn't say that this is entrinsic among the Chinese since Taiwan and Singapore are nice places and if the Chines were given the US constitution like Liberia, a few honest good men to lead them, then that place would be a South Korea by now if settled by the Chinese. Also once you get used to Western liberties and a republic, then they don't let go of it similar to Hong Kong. The commie China system is a special case since they went from the oppressive monarchy straight to communism and now to corporate communism without a break. For example - one of the reasons why people there sometimes don't care if others are driven over or harrassed is due to certain laws in the past, of getting entangled if you try to help or be a good samaritan.

However similar to the Japanese who were once supremacist and imperialist, the Chinese can also amend their ways easily enough as can be seen in the diaspora coutnries of Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong or Western diaspora. Almost all of those Chinese people I talked to hated commie China with a fervor.

A good point is that their ethno-centric nature will likely make them survive in the coming decades and centuries contrary to what is happening in the West. That includes their bigger cities which is the topic of the thread - also long-term areas to move there for fleeing Westerners.
10-27-2019 12:40 PM
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RE: The inexorable decline of American cities
Anyone else notice that routine maintenance of infrastructure just doesn't get done without someone creating an even bigger problem?

For example, in my hometown, road construction crews somehow hit a gas line a day for about a two week stretch this summer. Just this month, a crew managed to slice the main telecommunication cables, leaving a large portion of the south side without internet and landline phone services for a week.

Btw, most modern buildings in China are not that solid.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=Cj3Tr_1570445075

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=f7c_1461681979
10-27-2019 01:04 PM
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