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Should dogs be kept as Pets?
Just wondering what guys think about keeping pets, especially dogs. Do you think it's ok to keep them inside the home vs garden? How about in urban areas?

Do you think it can be considered uncivilized, esp keeping a dog indoors in an urban area?

The main issue I've noticed is all the noise and hassle whenever someone calls at the door, though i am not a dog owner myself.

It's a bit late here so I will post my thoughts later but would be interested to get people's thoughts on this.

Also, why are vegans so against the domestication of food producing animals but have no issues with the mistreatment of animals as pets?
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RE: Should dogs be kept as Pets?
The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.
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RE: Should dogs be kept as Pets?
I have nothing against keeping a dog if you have a house and enough land to not bother your neighbors. If I ever get a house with acreage, i'll probably get my own dog for protection if nothing else. I am against keeping dogs in apartments and walking them in big cities. They make noise, take up too much space, piss everywhere. Some owners don't bother cleaning up shit after them. I don't think dogs enjoy living in big cities either. I understand, however, that people will not stop having their "fur babies" especially when they chose not to have real ones. Having a dog and treating it like it's your child is an irrational desire that is stronger than any logical arguments against it.
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RE: Should dogs be kept as Pets?
Yes, dogs are great pets and "animal companions".

If you have a family, they teach children about responsibility, love, and -- ultimately -- mortality. There are few greater pleasures in life (perhaps none) that come close to the bond of a man and his loyal pet.

Common sense is all that is needed. If you live in a tiny space, get a small dog or a cat. Don't be an idiot and curse an animal that requires tons of exercise by shoving them into a cell. Some breeds need constant work. Others get neurotic without regular affection/attention (this is purely anecdotal, but I find dog neurosis happens more often with non-shedders).

I work from home, so owning a dog even in an apartment would not have been a problem. You can schedule to take it out for walks and it's actually a great reason to stop work and take a meditative break. Plus, everyone in the neighborhood wants to meet the dog. It's a social icebreaker that is far healthier than alcohol. That said, I did weird travel times, so I never ended up owning one. I don't like abandoning my buddies that I should have some responsibility for.
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(Yesterday 11:46 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  If you live in a tiny space, get a small dog or a cat. Don't be an idiot and curse an animal that requires tons of exercise by shoving them into a cell.

Hear hear. If I were el dictator keeping large dogs in apartments that are bred for actual use in some type of work would be a criminal offense. A felony even. 1 year prison sentence minimum. Maybe 2. I hate seeing that shit. Poor dogs. People who own and keep certain breeds that are out of their league for the environment their in drives me up the wall and the owners are usually pretty clueless about life in general.
"Oh but this border collie is so cuuute as a puppy awww!!"
Until he grows up and he's miserable and depressed locked in an apartment or some urban backyard when the blood running through his veins wants to go work, chase shit and make you proud of him. I sympathize with some breeds. I really do. If I'm out of work for to long, shit I'll just about start tearing up sofas for fun too.
If you're an apartment city dweller for God's sakes stick with something appropriate. Like a chihuahua or shit tzu, or Pomeranian or something else that looks like you could kick it clear across a football field. You could even put pink ribbons in their hair. Definitely charm the ladies with a Pomeranian and pink ribbons.

@OP to answer your question about vegans. In my opinion the most vocal and politically charged vegans out there who belong to all these pinko do gooder save the whale type organizations that get all the YouTube and media attention are economic left wing terrorists more than anything. Their targets are the commercial food producers to slow down or tarnish reputations of these companies which are easy targets of the "bourgeoisie". The big buzz word amongst do gooders is "exploitation". Just like they claim the working man is exploited or whatever, so to animals are being unfairly exploited by man for their resources as opposed to a house pet chillin on the sofa in air conditioning. Plus when you can alter footage of animals to make them look like they're suffering it's an easy way to win people over to your "struggle" to fight the man. I'll admit I'm no fan of large scale commercial food operations owned by some oil company or whoever to use as a tax write off when the welfare of the animal is least of their concerns, but people's stomachs don't close and theres a lot of people. So it is what it is. To bad so sad.

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RE: Should dogs be kept as Pets?
(Yesterday 10:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.

Actually, I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable - this bi*tch didn't realize she was torturing her own dog.

To address OP: If you plan on keeping a dog indoors all the time as if it were some cat, better to not get a dog. They're not indoor animals. Yes they should be kept as pets but only under the right circumstances
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RE: Should dogs be kept as Pets?
(Today 12:46 AM)joseph15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.

Actually, I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable - this bi*tch didn't realize she was torturing her own dog.

To address OP: If you plan on keeping a dog indoors all the time as if it were some cat, better to not get a dog. They're not indoor animals. Yes they should be kept as pets but only under the right circumstances

Most vegans get sick and drop out of the diet. It's just that the dog or cat may not survive it.

The PETA globohomo stand is for the people to have zero pets. That is why PETA shelters kill dogs instantly, they don't bother finding new owners for them.

It's good that PETA is not a humanitarian organization or they would kill every human on earth based on the logic that - lack of humans - lack of pain.

We note that pet ownership/dog ownership coincides with growing wealth and also a certain compassion towards those animals. The richer a country becomes, the better they usually treat those animals.

Humans learn from dogs a multitude of things since they are such loving creatures.

As for vegans - I found that many rather own cats vs dogs. Long-term vegans cannot handle dogs - guess their mentality of an eternally open heart does not compute well with the deep hatred and resentment against all humans that vegans carry around them. So most own rather cats which is hilarious due to cats being carnivores. But they starved some poor cats to death on the vegan diet as well, so....

Oh - and obviously there is a limit when dog-love becomes too obsessive. You shouldn't neglect human relationships over it.
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RE: Should dogs be kept as Pets?
(Today 12:46 AM)joseph15 Wrote:  I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable

[Image: vegan-dog.jpg]

(Today 01:33 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Most vegans get sick and drop out of the diet. It's just that the dog or cat may not survive it.

All the vegetarians I know, some of whom flirted with veganism, dropped out because they were no longer able to hold up the moral charade. One of them has now become very pro-meat and has instead made up for it with being more insufferably left wing than they were before.

Vegetarianism is primarily caused by a feeling of guilt and an acute desire to feel they are a good person. Their constant use of guilt against carnivores isn't spurred by care for animal welfare, but is a mechanism they use to transpose their guilt onto others, thus tricking their mind into believing they are at least better than you.
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The book "The Anguish of Living among Dogs" is an interesting read. The author goes through the massive cost of dogs to society: the noise, environmental damages with tons of poop and piss, and dozens of people and children killed every year in dog attacks. But the dogs owners and supporting industries seem to get their way.


"An in-depth study on the mood swings that many affected people show today in the face of the overwhelming number of dogs that live near their homes.

Through a large number of testimonial cases and real events, the author tries to show the world the serious problem that is arising with the invasion of these pets occupying homes and apartments without any control or protection on those who have to live among these animals daily.

The quality of life of many millions of people has deteriorated enormously because of their constant barking or crying when left alone. And this epidemic grows because of various factors listed in the book, which would be of great interest to be studied by local authorities who must protect their citizens according to the current Constitutions.

Sleeping is a right that has been lost, so Robert Appel proposes a list of actions and stricter regulations that would serve to stop this serious widespread.

The mental and physical damage these animals are causing in residents of all cities worldwide is huge, affecting their work, their intimate life, and even their peaceful walks in the city, where dogs are also complicating the use of public spaces and recreation areas."

https://www.amazon.com/anguish-living-am...407&sr=8-2

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RE: Should dogs be kept as Pets?
(Today 12:46 AM)joseph15 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 10:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.
Actually, I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable - this bi*tch didn't realize she was torturing her own dog.




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(Today 01:12 PM)Sherman Wrote:  ...

I'll check out the book if I can.

I think dogs, healthy and well-trained, and kept by capable and responsible owners would be good as it is nice to have animals around. I saw some nice dogs when I visited Hamburg, they were beautiful and well-trained. Unfortunately, modern dog culture looks like is becoming a race to the bottom, both in terms of dogs and those who own them. A responsible society needs to address this.

Also, from my understanding many of these dogs have been bred in domestication for generations to look and behave a certain way according to the demands of consumers in the market. Basically breeding animals, eugenics, sometimes producing really abominable creations to satisfy the desire of low morality individuals to be able to own an animal with no great qualities but alot uniqueness or weirdness.

Many of these animals have serious illnesses because of how they are bred, for specific caricatured features that really have no place in nature.
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