Post: #1

Just wondering what guys think about keeping pets, especially dogs. Do you think it's ok to keep them inside the home vs garden? How about in urban areas?

Do you think it can be considered uncivilized, esp keeping a dog indoors in an urban area?

The main issue I've noticed is all the noise and hassle whenever someone calls at the door, though i am not a dog owner myself.

It's a bit late here so I will post my thoughts later but would be interested to get people's thoughts on this.

Also, why are vegans so against the domestication of food producing animals but have no issues with the mistreatment of animals as pets?

Post: #2

The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.

Post: #3

I have nothing against keeping a dog if you have a house and enough land to not bother your neighbors. If I ever get a house with acreage, i'll probably get my own dog for protection if nothing else. I am against keeping dogs in apartments and walking them in big cities. They make noise, take up too much space, piss everywhere. Some owners don't bother cleaning up shit after them. I don't think dogs enjoy living in big cities either. I understand, however, that people will not stop having their "fur babies" especially when they chose not to have real ones. Having a dog and treating it like it's your child is an irrational desire that is stronger than any logical arguments against it.

Post: #4

Yes, dogs are great pets and "animal companions".

If you have a family, they teach children about responsibility, love, and -- ultimately -- mortality. There are few greater pleasures in life (perhaps none) that come close to the bond of a man and his loyal pet.

Common sense is all that is needed. If you live in a tiny space, get a small dog or a cat. Don't be an idiot and curse an animal that requires tons of exercise by shoving them into a cell. Some breeds need constant work. Others get neurotic without regular affection/attention (this is purely anecdotal, but I find dog neurosis happens more often with non-shedders).

I work from home, so owning a dog even in an apartment would not have been a problem. You can schedule to take it out for walks and it's actually a great reason to stop work and take a meditative break. Plus, everyone in the neighborhood wants to meet the dog. It's a social icebreaker that is far healthier than alcohol. That said, I did weird travel times, so I never ended up owning one. I don't like abandoning my buddies that I should have some responsibility for.

Post: #5

(10-13-2019 11:46 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  If you live in a tiny space, get a small dog or a cat. Don't be an idiot and curse an animal that requires tons of exercise by shoving them into a cell.

Hear hear. If I were el dictator keeping large dogs in apartments that are bred for actual use in some type of work would be a criminal offense. A felony even. 1 year prison sentence minimum. Maybe 2. I hate seeing that shit. Poor dogs. People who own and keep certain breeds that are out of their league for the environment their in drives me up the wall and the owners are usually pretty clueless about life in general.
"Oh but this border collie is so cuuute as a puppy awww!!"
Until he grows up and he's miserable and depressed locked in an apartment or some urban backyard when the blood running through his veins wants to go work, chase shit and make you proud of him. I sympathize with some breeds. I really do. If I'm out of work for to long, shit I'll just about start tearing up sofas for fun too.
If you're an apartment city dweller for God's sakes stick with something appropriate. Like a chihuahua or shit tzu, or Pomeranian or something else that looks like you could kick it clear across a football field. You could even put pink ribbons in their hair. Definitely charm the ladies with a Pomeranian and pink ribbons.

@OP to answer your question about vegans. In my opinion the most vocal and politically charged vegans out there who belong to all these pinko do gooder save the whale type organizations that get all the YouTube and media attention are economic left wing terrorists more than anything. Their targets are the commercial food producers to slow down or tarnish reputations of these companies which are easy targets of the "bourgeoisie". The big buzz word amongst do gooders is "exploitation". Just like they claim the working man is exploited or whatever, so to animals are being unfairly exploited by man for their resources as opposed to a house pet chillin on the sofa in air conditioning. Plus when you can alter footage of animals to make them look like they're suffering it's an easy way to win people over to your "struggle" to fight the man. I'll admit I'm no fan of large scale commercial food operations owned by some oil company or whoever to use as a tax write off when the welfare of the animal is least of their concerns, but people's stomachs don't close and theres a lot of people. So it is what it is. To bad so sad.

Post: #6

(10-13-2019 10:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.

Actually, I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable - this bi*tch didn't realize she was torturing her own dog.

To address OP: If you plan on keeping a dog indoors all the time as if it were some cat, better to not get a dog. They're not indoor animals. Yes they should be kept as pets but only under the right circumstances

Post: #7

(10-14-2019 12:46 AM)joseph15 Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 10:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.

Actually, I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable - this bi*tch didn't realize she was torturing her own dog.

To address OP: If you plan on keeping a dog indoors all the time as if it were some cat, better to not get a dog. They're not indoor animals. Yes they should be kept as pets but only under the right circumstances

Most vegans get sick and drop out of the diet. It's just that the dog or cat may not survive it.

The PETA globohomo stand is for the people to have zero pets. That is why PETA shelters kill dogs instantly, they don't bother finding new owners for them.

It's good that PETA is not a humanitarian organization or they would kill every human on earth based on the logic that - lack of humans - lack of pain.

We note that pet ownership/dog ownership coincides with growing wealth and also a certain compassion towards those animals. The richer a country becomes, the better they usually treat those animals.

Humans learn from dogs a multitude of things since they are such loving creatures.

As for vegans - I found that many rather own cats vs dogs. Long-term vegans cannot handle dogs - guess their mentality of an eternally open heart does not compute well with the deep hatred and resentment against all humans that vegans carry around them. So most own rather cats which is hilarious due to cats being carnivores. But they starved some poor cats to death on the vegan diet as well, so....

Oh - and obviously there is a limit when dog-love becomes too obsessive. You shouldn't neglect human relationships over it.

Post: #8

(10-14-2019 12:46 AM)joseph15 Wrote:  I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable

(10-14-2019 01:33 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Most vegans get sick and drop out of the diet. It's just that the dog or cat may not survive it.

All the vegetarians I know, some of whom flirted with veganism, dropped out because they were no longer able to hold up the moral charade. One of them has now become very pro-meat and has instead made up for it with being more insufferably left wing than they were before.

Vegetarianism is primarily caused by a feeling of guilt and an acute desire to feel they are a good person. Their constant use of guilt against carnivores isn't spurred by care for animal welfare, but is a mechanism they use to transpose their guilt onto others, thus tricking their mind into believing they are at least better than you.

Post: #9

The book "The Anguish of Living among Dogs" is an interesting read. The author goes through the massive cost of dogs to society: the noise, environmental damages with tons of poop and piss, and dozens of people and children killed every year in dog attacks. But the dogs owners and supporting industries seem to get their way.


"An in-depth study on the mood swings that many affected people show today in the face of the overwhelming number of dogs that live near their homes.

Through a large number of testimonial cases and real events, the author tries to show the world the serious problem that is arising with the invasion of these pets occupying homes and apartments without any control or protection on those who have to live among these animals daily.

The quality of life of many millions of people has deteriorated enormously because of their constant barking or crying when left alone. And this epidemic grows because of various factors listed in the book, which would be of great interest to be studied by local authorities who must protect their citizens according to the current Constitutions.

Sleeping is a right that has been lost, so Robert Appel proposes a list of actions and stricter regulations that would serve to stop this serious widespread.

The mental and physical damage these animals are causing in residents of all cities worldwide is huge, affecting their work, their intimate life, and even their peaceful walks in the city, where dogs are also complicating the use of public spaces and recreation areas."

https://www.amazon.com/anguish-living-am...407&sr=8-2

Post: #10

(10-14-2019 12:46 AM)joseph15 Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 10:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.

Actually, I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable - this bi*tch didn't realize she was torturing her own dog.

Bookmarked a funny moment.

Post: #11

(10-14-2019 01:12 PM)Sherman Wrote:  ...

I'll check out the book if I can.

I think dogs, healthy and well-trained, and kept by capable and responsible owners would be good as it is nice to have animals around. I saw some nice dogs when I visited Hamburg, they were beautiful and well-trained. Unfortunately, modern dog culture looks like is becoming a race to the bottom, both in terms of dogs and those who own them. A responsible society needs to address this.

Also, from my understanding many of these dogs have been bred in domestication for generations to look and behave a certain way according to the demands of consumers in the market. Basically breeding animals, eugenics, sometimes producing really abominable creations to satisfy the desire of low morality individuals to be able to own an animal with no great qualities but alot uniqueness or weirdness.

Many of these animals have serious illnesses because of how they are bred, for specific caricatured features that really have no place in nature.

Post: #12

(10-14-2019 12:46 AM)joseph15 Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 10:05 PM)questor70 Wrote:  The problem with vegetarians/vegans and pets is they seem to have no trouble feeding their pets meat even though they are morally against eating meat themselves.

Actually, I've seen a Vegan with a dog who was only fed a plant-based diet... It was one of the saddest thing I'd seen. That poor dog was absolutely miserable - this bi*tch didn't realize she was torturing her own dog.

Sadly, a lot of women see these pet dogs as some cute accessory to tag along with.

Post: #13

I'm go on a bit of a rant that I'm sure is gonna piss off a few people off but whatever...

I like dogs but I'm fed up with dog owners and their absurd sense of entitlement in America. There needs to be a complete re-evaluation on the standards require to own a dog in this country; things are completely out of control and ridiculous now.

Let's see...

1. BY FAR, I am absolutely sick of DOG SHIT smeared all over sidewalks and in open grass areas. Dogs should be forced to shit in designated zones so I can actually go for a walk without having to intensely look at the ground most of the time. Want to play a pick up game of some sport in a open grass area? You better inspect the entire field for dog shit because I guarantee you will find a few massive piles that some piece of shit owners just left there. Furthermore, there are real sanitation issues with pervasive dogshit everywhere as well.

2. Dipshit owners who walk their dogs without a leash. I don't give a fuck if your dog is "trained" or not. I don't know that and I've personally have watched calm off-leashed dogs suddenly attack random people passing by.

3. Asshole owners who abandon their dog for the entire workday and let it howl for hours on end (and don't care) - they can go fuck themselves.

4. The emotional support faggots who bring their dog into a conference meeting with senior executives at work and don't even ask if it's OK. I don't know cunt, maybe somebody has dog allergies or the group doesn't want a dog huffing in the room distracting everybody?


Things that should happen but never will because dogs have been elevated to the status of actual human children now:

1. Force dogs to shit in designated zones. Don't have one? Too bad. No dog for you. Failure to use designated zones will result in dog being removed from owner. Use DNA testing (this is actually a thing with dog shit apparently in some places like a neighborhood with an HOA) or surveillance state to track dog owners if they allow fido to shit outside the zone habitually.

2. Limit dog ownership to single family homes/rural communities/large land owners. I'd go almost as far to say ban them in all apartments and condos.

Again, I like dogs but I'm tired of the awful dog owners and being in a society that enables them. Unfortunately, it's just gonna get worse in America as entitled twats and 3rd world trash likely become more prevalent and gain power over the coming decades.

Post: #14

< This is obviously too much.

1) Dog shit - people should pick it up as they do in many countries. In Eastern Europe they had dogs do everything until the authority intensively began to police it - fines galore until the people learned, but I guess that some don't. A city gets a nice financial surplus from that for people who don't learn.

2) Mandatory insurance - it's a thing in the UK. Also to be policed - depending on the financial power of the city it can be costly. For NYC it should be around 1000$ a year - that also takes care of cleanup.

3) Emotional support pets are like trannie library classes - banned instantly by shitlord governments - don't exist anywhere in the world.

4) Constant barking of lone dogs - some Euro countries have regulations against that too. If it happens too often, then the owner gets visited not only by cops, but by animal control - has to provide dog-sitter or do something else.

Those things can be dealt with - it's similar to whether the local cities are willing and able to - similar to how San Francisco can be a nice liberal city if only certain rules absolutely cannot be crossed. They managed to do that for quite a while until the madness took over all their levels of power.

Post: #15

I never pick up my dogs shit, I make a point not to. Stepping in dogshit was a constant threat when I was a kid, so I'm just doing what little I can to recreate the 80s. A time when men were proud, and knew who was the master and who was the servant.

Post: #16

(10-15-2019 03:44 AM)king bast Wrote:  I never pick up my dogs shit, I make a point not to. Stepping in dogshit was a constant threat when I was a kid, so I'm just doing what little I can to recreate the 80s. A time when men were proud, and knew who was the master and who was the servant.

It all depends on population density/dog density. Basically it's common courtesy and a necessity even if I hate it too. Whenever I go with my girl, then I let her do it - it's understood that this is her job.

And personally I don't care if a guy like you gets to pay 100-200$/month on fines - the shit can be cleaned up by that as well. It's essentially parking tickets to wealthy men - they simply don't care.

Post: #17

Dog shit is only an issue if they’re fed commercial ‘dog food’. When they eat bones and raw food, the shit turns into dry pellets.

Post: #18

(10-15-2019 04:47 AM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  Dog shit is only an issue if they’re fed commercial ‘dog food’. When they eat bones and raw food, the shit turns into dry pellets.

Illusory in our current system - if there was more awareness and companies offered frozen organ-meat-dog- and cat-food, then this would be possible. And it wouldn't be very expensive - you can simply grind bones and organ foods that humans don't eat and freeze it. But that would run counter to multiple agendas that the elite have.

I personally feed my pets a mixture between raw beef organ meats and some dry foods, because I would have to do the raw food far more calculated and work-intense. And the shit becomes different even with that kind of diet - hardly any smells etc.

Post: #19

(10-15-2019 12:39 AM)The Black Knight Wrote:  I'm go on a bit of a rant that I'm sure is gonna piss off a few people off but whatever...

I like dogs but I'm fed up with dog owners and their absurd sense of entitlement in America. There needs to be a complete re-evaluation on the standards require to own a dog in this country; things are completely out of control and ridiculous now.

Let's see...

1. BY FAR, I am absolutely sick of DOG SHIT smeared all over sidewalks and in open grass areas. Dogs should be forced to shit in designated zones so I can actually go for a walk without having to intensely look at the ground most of the time. Want to play a pick up game of some sport in a open grass area? You better inspect the entire field for dog shit because I guarantee you will find a few massive piles that some piece of shit owners just left there. Furthermore, there are real sanitation issues with pervasive dogshit everywhere as well.

2. Dipshit owners who walk their dogs without a leash. I don't give a fuck if your dog is "trained" or not. I don't know that and I've personally have watched calm off-leashed dogs suddenly attack random people passing by.

3. Asshole owners who abandon their dog for the entire workday and let it howl for hours on end (and don't care) - they can go fuck themselves.

4. The emotional support faggots who bring their dog into a conference meeting with senior executives at work and don't even ask if it's OK. I don't know cunt, maybe somebody has dog allergies or the group doesn't want a dog huffing in the room distracting everybody?


Things that should happen but never will because dogs have been elevated to the status of actual human children now:

1. Force dogs to shit in designated zones. Don't have one? Too bad. No dog for you. Failure to use designated zones will result in dog being removed from owner. Use DNA testing (this is actually a thing with dog shit apparently in some places like a neighborhood with an HOA) or surveillance state to track dog owners if they allow fido to shit outside the zone habitually.

2. Limit dog ownership to single family homes/rural communities/large land owners. I'd go almost as far to say ban them in all apartments and condos.

Again, I like dogs but I'm tired of the awful dog owners and being in a society that enables them. Unfortunately, it's just gonna get worse in America as entitled twats and 3rd world trash likely become more prevalent and gain power over the coming decades.

A bracing blast of righteous anger.

A lot of dog ownership is passive aggression by proxy.

Post: #20

(10-13-2019 11:46 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  If you live in a tiny space, get a small dog or a cat. Don't be an idiot and curse an animal that requires tons of exercise by shoving them into a cell.

There are idiots (former neighbors) who have dogs who never walk them because "they live on a quarter acre". One of their dogs barked all the time and another died of cancer.

I know someone with a Golden Retriever who lives in an apartment and the dog is healthy and happy and doesn't bark.

Guess which dogs got walked every day?
(hint: not the ones who lived on a quarter acre)

A dog doesn't want to walk around in circles all day...so the yard of a typical single family home is not enough, the dog still needs to be walked.

The amount of space a dog lives in is not nearly important as how well the dog is taken care of...

Post: #21

(10-15-2019 12:04 PM)debeguiled Wrote:  A lot of dog ownership is passive aggression by proxy.

Excellent point! I never thought of it that way.

Makes a lot of sense...

Post: #22

This is intrinsically related to the other post I made about how 'Nationalism' is becoming out of date in the modern world.

The US has a population of 300million. Many love dogs but there certainly must be many who dislike dog ownership (in cities) equally so for reasons posted above and others.

The problem is those with negative views are basically silenced as they are a minority who have to respect the National Laws that allow for dog ownership. This 'minority' could be upto 150mill people.

It doesnt make sense to attempt to 'force' one set of values over so many people.

People who dont like dogs should have the freedom to go and live in cities or towns where pet dogs are banned. But these towns and cities do not exist because there is an idea that these things are a part of National culture or laws.

Post: #23

Absolutely. Dogs are called Man's best friend for a reason, and a significantly better companion than most people. Obviously make sure to feed them right, give them plenty of exercise, put in the effort to properly train them and appreciate their love and affection.

Today someone had their old labrador sitting outside. I started petting him and it was a great feeling to see the appreciation in his eyes and his tail wagging. It turned a so so day into a great one.

I wish I had appreciated how amazing dogs are when I was growing up.

Post: #24

Animals love to be around us - even some wild animals sense that there is something special going on with us.

Obviously in the rather congested and sometimes badly designed cities rules have to be enacted to keep things proper, but it's still worth it.

Post: #25

(10-15-2019 01:46 PM)buja Wrote:  

(10-13-2019 11:46 PM)TooFineAPoint Wrote:  If you live in a tiny space, get a small dog or a cat. Don't be an idiot and curse an animal that requires tons of exercise by shoving them into a cell.

There are idiots (former neighbors) who have dogs who never walk them because "they live on a quarter acre". One of their dogs barked all the time and another died of cancer.

I know someone with a Golden Retriever who lives in an apartment and the dog is healthy and happy and doesn't bark.

Guess which dogs got walked every day?
(hint: not the ones who lived on a quarter acre)

A dog doesn't want to walk around in circles all day...so the yard of a typical single family home is not enough, the dog still needs to be walked.

The amount of space a dog lives in is not nearly important as how well the dog is taken care of...

Agreed. I used to sit any dogs in the neighborhood of which I was a friend. My ex-GFs dog, a neighbor down the block, etc.

I lived in a bachelor suite at the time.

Puppers got fed, pet, wrassled as needed. And got walked (to shit/piss) minimum 3X a day.

Those dogs loved to hang with me. And they were good buddies in return.

As I type this, our cat is perched on my legs. Pleased as punch, and purring.

The animals just want some care and some space to operate. Not hard for a thinking/planning individual.