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RE: Please stop wasting your time by attempting to scare women w/ post wall non-realities
(10-22-2019 10:11 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  The problem with bringing up women squandering the options in their youth is a lot of men would be worse off than they are now

I don't buy that.

The 80/20 rule has become more like 95/5 due to the swiper apps. The more women enter into monogamous relationships the more they are forced to start moving on down the SMV food-chain due to simple demographics. When they're on the carousel as they are now a small pool of chads juggle large harems.

(10-23-2019 10:11 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Maybe because for some women ; not being dead poor and being average is enough?

Enough for...what? No matter how long these discussions go on, men continue to fail to acknowledge that the metrics used are fundamentally DIFFERENT between men and women. What might classify as 'success' to a man (i.e. getting sex) is a 'fail' for a woman (due to the guy not being sufficiently attractive and/or not getting commitment).

Nevertheless, no matter how many times this difference is laid out, guys revert back to a position of envy again and again simply because women have an easier time getting laid. YES THEY DO. Nobody's denying that. But this DOES NOT translate into the sort of happiness you'd expect them to enjoy if we had such privileges. It just doesn't. So you can't directly compare the lot of men and women. We're on two different barometers.

As much as women pretend that sex is something special and granted to the chosen few, they themselves actually take it for granted. This is why so often they enter into fights accusing men of wanting them for "just" sex, as if the sex act has no intrinsic value whatsoever. That's quite a different mindset from men who are hardwired to see sex as the greatest form of personal validation (hence counting notches).

Women are hardwired to think of sex as the first stage of a transaction. They grant sex in return for commitment or a shared lifestyle of some kind. This is why they feel cheapened if sex is offered in complete isolation. They are missing out on everything sex can bring to them if they don't attach strings to it. Men simply don't see things that way. Men make their own way in the world and don't have to use sex as a bargaining tactic.
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(10-23-2019 12:10 PM)questor70 Wrote:  Women are hardwired to think of sex as the first stage of a transaction. They grant sex in return for commitment or a shared lifestyle of some kind. This is why they feel cheapened if sex is offered in complete isolation. They are missing out on everything sex can bring to them if they don't attach strings to it. Men simply don't see things that way. Men make their own way in the world and don't have to use sex as a bargaining tactic.

That's why fornication (sex before marriage) got removed from the God-pilled forum now. If you remove that largest bargaining chip women have, you suddenly see what they really have to offer.
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(10-23-2019 07:44 AM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  The "hoards of betas" already married their wife at age 28-32 and unless she fucks up the marriage, these beta providers are gone from the market forever.

Which she will. Are you familiar with U.S. divorce statistics? See Herzeleid's point above: She hates her beta husband.

(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  A woman entering menopause is looking at men like me: End 30s, never married, ex-MGTOW mindset, getting chased by 20somethings and younger, hard to lock down even into an LTR.

This is nonsense. As I've noted a couple of times, everywhere but Manhattan, middle-aged women will tend to be divorced with kids. They might have a fling with a younger guy, but their target market is anywhere from their own age up to 25 years older. That's a big part of the dating strategy for post-wall women -- they open themselves up to larger age gaps.

This is a good thing for aging divorced guys. But you still can't be a schlub, unless you're a fan of obese women.

You'd be surprised man. I have anecdotal evidence that many early 40's women in even the Midwest cities will try to get with a man a few years younger (say mid 30's or slightly older).
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I think OP is a woman. Please ban her from the forum.
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"...derails the issue, making it about the man."

Checkmate, feminist behaviour.

EDIT: I am quoting debeguiled. Not sure why quote post didn't work.
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(10-23-2019 01:08 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 07:44 AM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  The "hoards of betas" already married their wife at age 28-32 and unless she fucks up the marriage, these beta providers are gone from the market forever.

Which she will. Are you familiar with U.S. divorce statistics? See Herzeleid's point above: She hates her beta husband.

(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  A woman entering menopause is looking at men like me: End 30s, never married, ex-MGTOW mindset, getting chased by 20somethings and younger, hard to lock down even into an LTR.

This is nonsense. As I've noted a couple of times, everywhere but Manhattan, middle-aged women will tend to be divorced with kids. They might have a fling with a younger guy, but their target market is anywhere from their own age up to 25 years older. That's a big part of the dating strategy for post-wall women -- they open themselves up to larger age gaps.

This is a good thing for aging divorced guys. But you still can't be a schlub, unless you're a fan of obese women.

You'd be surprised man. I have anecdotal evidence that many early 40's women in even the Midwest cities will try to get with a man a few years younger (say mid 30's or slightly older).

Of course they look into high SMV men and try to catch them with sex. And then be sad that these men don't commit. But commit to what? Being her pet?
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(10-23-2019 03:12 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
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(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  The "hoards of betas" already married their wife at age 28-32 and unless she fucks up the marriage, these beta providers are gone from the market forever.

Which she will. Are you familiar with U.S. divorce statistics? See Herzeleid's point above: She hates her beta husband.

(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  A woman entering menopause is looking at men like me: End 30s, never married, ex-MGTOW mindset, getting chased by 20somethings and younger, hard to lock down even into an LTR.

This is nonsense. As I've noted a couple of times, everywhere but Manhattan, middle-aged women will tend to be divorced with kids. They might have a fling with a younger guy, but their target market is anywhere from their own age up to 25 years older. That's a big part of the dating strategy for post-wall women -- they open themselves up to larger age gaps.

This is a good thing for aging divorced guys. But you still can't be a schlub, unless you're a fan of obese women.

You'd be surprised man. I have anecdotal evidence that many early 40's women in even the Midwest cities will try to get with a man a few years younger (say mid 30's or slightly older).

Of course they look into high SMV men and try to catch them with sex. And then be sad that these men don't commit. But commit to what? Being her pet?

Women call these men "f*ckboys" -- can't get commitment but still bangs and deals with the emotional trauma of being used up (assuming she cares about commitment).
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OP why you care how many cocks old-brown-around- the- edges- pussy can get Mr high school drama man?

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(10-23-2019 03:38 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  OP why you care how many cocks old-brown-around- the- edges- pussy can get Mr high school drama man?

What did I ever do you PT? You seem to have quite the bug up your ass for me
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(10-23-2019 03:16 PM)Eban Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 03:12 PM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 01:08 PM)jordypip23 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 07:44 AM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  The "hoards of betas" already married their wife at age 28-32 and unless she fucks up the marriage, these beta providers are gone from the market forever.

Which she will. Are you familiar with U.S. divorce statistics? See Herzeleid's point above: She hates her beta husband.

(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  A woman entering menopause is looking at men like me: End 30s, never married, ex-MGTOW mindset, getting chased by 20somethings and younger, hard to lock down even into an LTR.

This is nonsense. As I've noted a couple of times, everywhere but Manhattan, middle-aged women will tend to be divorced with kids. They might have a fling with a younger guy, but their target market is anywhere from their own age up to 25 years older. That's a big part of the dating strategy for post-wall women -- they open themselves up to larger age gaps.

This is a good thing for aging divorced guys. But you still can't be a schlub, unless you're a fan of obese women.

You'd be surprised man. I have anecdotal evidence that many early 40's women in even the Midwest cities will try to get with a man a few years younger (say mid 30's or slightly older).

Of course they look into high SMV men and try to catch them with sex. And then be sad that these men don't commit. But commit to what? Being her pet?

Women call these men "f*ckboys" -- can't get commitment but still bangs and deals with the emotional trauma of being used up (assuming she cares about commitment).

As a man I invest into a woman, so she can become an asset in creating my own family. I don't need to bang her prematurely for that. In fact that is contra-productive towards that goal and the best time to start banging her is when children are supposed to be made.

But what is even the point of investing into a menopausal woman? What do they have to offer with sex removed from the equation? What kind of "commitment" are they looking for?
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(10-23-2019 03:42 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 03:38 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  OP why you care how many cocks old-brown-around- the- edges- pussy can get Mr high school drama man?

What did I ever do you PT? You seem to have quite the bug up your ass for me

He probably smells the same fishy vagina smell from your posts that I am beginning to sense as well.
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RE: Please stop wasting your time by attempting to scare women w/ post wall non-realities
(10-23-2019 08:44 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 06:32 AM)Herzeleid Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 10:15 PM)Repo Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 08:15 PM)questor70 Wrote:  You obviously are not paying attention to the finer details.


That's not the point. The point is that older women (who are in shape at least) are still taking sex for granted. They are looking for commitment and the only matches they're gonna get are from guys looking to cash-in on the inverted leverage for casual sex. That is what "where have all the good men gone?" comes from.

You simply can't compare men and women directly in the sexual marketplace because outside of very young women squandering their youth on the carousel, their priorities are different. Men seek sex and women seek commitment.

What might be seen as a decent situation for men isn't seen that way for women.

The bold isnt true at all, hoardes of betas are lining up to wife these women.

The "hoards of betas" already married their wife at age 28-32 and unless she fucks up the marriage, these beta providers are gone from the market forever. At most they look for a hot side fling, if they settled for something low SMV out of desperation.

A woman entering menopause is looking at men like me: End 30s, never married, ex-MGTOW mindset, getting chased by 20somethings and younger, hard to lock down even into an LTR. The only way I care about 44 years old women is to look if they have hot adult daughters.

So as a Christian, who came to faith during the recent years, I'm obviously not spinning plates like these 30 matches and I'm looking at getting locked down at some point instead. But this surely isn't going to happen with an infertile post-wall woman, regardless how much some churchians would wish for it.

For men like me it's more about getting so much into the head of one of the chasers in her prime until she signs the papers. And then I'm gone from the market forever as well - but not even considering a side fling for obvious reasons.
Also, look at the marriages of women with betas, they are unhappy, hate their men, are repulsed to have sex with them etc. Thats the whole issue for them with aging. When they were young they could take a chad and make him commit, when they are old, they either get pumped and dumped by chad or commitment from a beta loser. Of course there are women who get both because they get money from billy and good sex from chad but thats pretty rare. So generally, the wall isn't maybe a total disaster for many women but I have seen it myself, the wall is a very real thing.
My aunt looks pretty young and good for her age (in her 40s) and she had some flings with good looking young men after her husband cheated on her und dumped her. None of those flings did commit to her which made her depressive and now she is a lonely, depressed women, although she could go out any day of the week and have sex with someone attractive.

The conclusion about women's goals is that they are doing it wrong regardless of which age they are. They don't commit when they need to, and want to commit, when it's way too late (biologically speaking).

So it's up to the men to lead them the right way. Obviously plate-spinning "Chad" doesn't do that. But I'm on my way of figuring something out.

First: While being called a nut job in my reputation, striving for becoming an image of Christ (the Deus Vult variety) was the most powerful frame ever I had in my life, attracting women left and right. Second: The oldest trick in the bag "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" still works wonders. And third: The key element is to not give away the goods for free. You trickle them.
Thats a bit like the advice Jordan Peterson gave, be attractive to many women but chose only one. I personally think it can work out under two conditions: 1. your LTR game is tight, you know how to behave, dont show weakness, be interesting and evolving your character and be a MEN 2. Your SMV is at least two points higher. If you are a 7 dont date above 5.

If everyone would do this, especially chads, we would probably have a monogamous society again. It would also mean that everyone would get their looks/smv match. To be honest, I would be more than happy to get a wife/gf which isn't below my smv even if that meant that I have to live monogamous. So basically, the downfall of our society is the hands of men (who would have thought). Maybe we should be a good role model and start the change by being a well educated, attractive men which only choses one.
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(10-23-2019 05:25 PM)Herzeleid Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 08:44 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 06:32 AM)Herzeleid Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-22-2019 10:15 PM)Repo Wrote:  The bold isnt true at all, hoardes of betas are lining up to wife these women.

The "hoards of betas" already married their wife at age 28-32 and unless she fucks up the marriage, these beta providers are gone from the market forever. At most they look for a hot side fling, if they settled for something low SMV out of desperation.

A woman entering menopause is looking at men like me: End 30s, never married, ex-MGTOW mindset, getting chased by 20somethings and younger, hard to lock down even into an LTR. The only way I care about 44 years old women is to look if they have hot adult daughters.

So as a Christian, who came to faith during the recent years, I'm obviously not spinning plates like these 30 matches and I'm looking at getting locked down at some point instead. But this surely isn't going to happen with an infertile post-wall woman, regardless how much some churchians would wish for it.

For men like me it's more about getting so much into the head of one of the chasers in her prime until she signs the papers. And then I'm gone from the market forever as well - but not even considering a side fling for obvious reasons.
Also, look at the marriages of women with betas, they are unhappy, hate their men, are repulsed to have sex with them etc. Thats the whole issue for them with aging. When they were young they could take a chad and make him commit, when they are old, they either get pumped and dumped by chad or commitment from a beta loser. Of course there are women who get both because they get money from billy and good sex from chad but thats pretty rare. So generally, the wall isn't maybe a total disaster for many women but I have seen it myself, the wall is a very real thing.
My aunt looks pretty young and good for her age (in her 40s) and she had some flings with good looking young men after her husband cheated on her und dumped her. None of those flings did commit to her which made her depressive and now she is a lonely, depressed women, although she could go out any day of the week and have sex with someone attractive.

The conclusion about women's goals is that they are doing it wrong regardless of which age they are. They don't commit when they need to, and want to commit, when it's way too late (biologically speaking).

So it's up to the men to lead them the right way. Obviously plate-spinning "Chad" doesn't do that. But I'm on my way of figuring something out.

First: While being called a nut job in my reputation, striving for becoming an image of Christ (the Deus Vult variety) was the most powerful frame ever I had in my life, attracting women left and right. Second: The oldest trick in the bag "Absence makes the heart grow fonder" still works wonders. And third: The key element is to not give away the goods for free. You trickle them.
Thats a bit like the advice Jordan Peterson gave, be attractive to many women but chose only one. I personally think it can work out under two conditions: 1. your LTR game is tight, you know how to behave, dont show weakness, be interesting and evolving your character and be a MEN 2. Your SMV is at least two points higher. If you are a 7 dont date above 5.

Well, God chose one already before I was born. While I'm not mandated to take this choice - my free will allows me to pick someone else if I don't like His, I decided to follow His plan and carefully watch and document how it plays out.

Also I don't know how to behave and my game isn't tight at all, but the Lord doesn't call the equipped, He equips the called.

I can depend on the Holy Spirit guiding me and letting me do the right thing at the right time. Regardless if it's something extremely simple like landing a joke with that split-second perfect timing only actors on TV shows manage to pull off, or something more complex like spontaneously coming up and executing an ad-hoc idea for a number-close inside a tight three second window of opportunity. Things that clearly are far beyond my mortal abilities.

So instead of pridefully attributing those to my own ingenuity I admit that I'm continuously inspired by the Divine. So are most my posts here and I have no way to prevent that. This is not about bragging, just pointing out how much help I have and what little of it my own works are.
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(10-23-2019 03:42 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 03:38 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  OP why you care how many cocks old-brown-around- the- edges- pussy can get Mr high school drama man?

What did I ever do you PT? You seem to have quite the bug up your ass for me




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(10-23-2019 07:51 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 07:42 AM)Cobra Wrote:  For a player in his 40s or above, that doesn't want kids, hot older women may be a great option.

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They're not. They get better at hiding their insanity until the point they no longer have to and then the poor fool who married them is in for some trouble.

Women post 35ish without kids are headed for a straight jacket and it's generally a question of how many lives they can ruin in the meanwhile.

This is mostly theory and sounds great but in reality makes no sense. Most hot women can be considered insane regardless of age. Lot of post 35 women are divorced, have healthy children and stay in good shape. Insane or not, they're hot and someone is banging them and I'm not so sure they're getting their lives ruined by said women. Some of them are married as well. Overall many are very sweet and feminine.

As always, I would advise men to go after what they want instead of following old gung ho generalizations in the form of manosphere theories that have very little basis in reality.

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(10-23-2019 06:26 AM)wwtl Wrote:  The only way I care about 44 years old women is to look if they have hot adult daughters.

Yup. It's amusing when you tell them this, too.

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I happen to agree with OP pretty wholeheartedly.

The "Where have all the good men" crowd is a group of former 5-6's that turned into 3's and 4's. These women can date average men in the US easily.

The vast majority of Western men in their 40's have zero female options in their twenties. The way I see it, a man in his 40's has to be the full package (youthful good looks, seven figure wealth, playboy lifestyle, game) in order to pull decent looking women in their 20s.


The way I see it, at least the bottom 50% of men altogether have zero female options, period. I've said numerous times on this board, that no matter how poorly women are doing, men are doing ten times worse.

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(10-23-2019 10:15 PM)Graft Wrote:  The "Where have all the good men" crowd is a group of former 5-6's that turned into 3's and 4's. These women can date average men in the US easily.

Depends what you mean by "date" but yes, they can go out on dates serially ... I think I agree with your rating system. I have relatives that may fit this bill ... maybe with youth at ages 18-22 they combined a 6-6 or 7-6, face-body rating but certainly post 30s why would anyone commit, let alone the 7+ guy they were always looking for.
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First, you have to distinguish between sex and commitment, as Questor70 points out. A lot of women are happy with just sex. A lot more women are unhappy and feel like garbage when they can't get commitment.

Second, there's tons of regret over their fading beauty. I was talking to a 30 year old girl earlier this year. She's quite beautiful and has had a very spoiled life. We became quite close and one day she confided/humblebragged how much attention she used to get from top businessmen and the like, offers for travel etc, but now it's mostly gone and she hates it. Is she fine? From the outside looking in, yes, she can still do very well. But from her perspective she has a ton of regret and feels like she missed her shot. It's like if you drove a Ferrari, but now you drive a Mercedes. Or if you drove a Mercedes and got downgraded to a Corrola. You're still getting from point A to point B and your car probably has all the same power windows and A/C and that stupid rear-view parking camera, but you know it's not the best you could have done.

It has nothing to do with 'can women still get commitment,' yes they can. It has everything to do with, 'how badly do they wish they could do better.' Women, especially hot ones, are always having moves put on them. From ages 18 up there's so much attention thrown their way. When they are 35+ or whenever they notice the quality and quantity of attention starts to decline compared to previous years, that's when the regret sets in. From the outside looking in, their options still look great, but to them they know their options aren't their first, second, or third choice.

To put this in man terms, I guess try to imagine buying Bitcoin at 5,000 but you wish you bought in at 50 cents. Or you bet some dollars during the Trump 2016 election, but you wish you bet more (I have this regret hahaha). You're still doing well, but everyone has that greed.

Anyway, I think we're on the same page about schadenfreude and weird non-realities of women suddenly becoming sexless and commitmentless. Women are basically fine. I just wanted to say that the longer a woman waits, the more regret builds up internally. That's what tends to get to them.

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All the stuff about improving yourself and not expecting a woman to fall into your lap because she got older, we're on the same page there. In any age bracket, there's some decent % chunk of women who would rather be alone than date the options that are available to them. I don't claim to know what that number is, but I have met plenty of girls who go single for long stretches because they can't get the guys they want and don't want the guys they can get. I've seen it across all ranges of beauty. Some girls are just wired this way. As such, it's a bad strategy to wait for girls to 'age out' and become easier. Also, that's seriously weesh and I wouldn't want to hang out with any guy who thought that way.
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(10-23-2019 10:44 PM)Tactician Wrote:  We became quite close and one day she confided/humblebragged how much attention she used to get from top businessmen and the like

She is probably a narcissist who will tell you that you will never be good enough if you would get involved with her.

There are also a few guys who don't play by the rules like women. They make themselves out to be wealthier and higher status than they actually are to pump and dump because they know they wouldn't get anything otherwise.
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^ She is pretty close to that and I don't hang out with her anymore, haha.
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RE: Please stop wasting your time by attempting to scare women w/ post wall non-realities
(10-22-2019 02:03 PM)quaker13 Wrote:  The reality is yes women who have reached the "wall" will have issues conceiving, but one issue they will not have is getting a quality boyfriend or husband provided they are attractive. I don't know a single attractive 35-50 year old woman that can't get serious ltr attention from a quality male. By quality I mean a non-fat male that makes at minimum 100k a year.

I don't know where you guys live but in major coastal cities and in many of the larger cities in fly over countries a lot of the single women 35 up are in absolutely phenomenal shape. Hell one can argue that single women in that age range are in better shape than their younger counterparts depending on the city. LA, Miami and NYC are perfect examples of this.

My point is your spinning your wheels by expecting to relish in some sort of schadenfreude. These older women are eating well, exercising and getting plastic surgery; you'd have to be a fool to think there age has any significant impact on their SMV for the purposes of landing a quality male.

Most women are NOT getting plastic surgery, not even on the coasts (I love the view some conservative outlets peddle that a certain proximity to the ocean somehow magically turns you into a bottox-riddled decadent celebrity) and anyway in many cases facial plastic surgery is very noticeable and a turn-off. American women are too overweight EVERYWHERE in the country.
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RE: Please stop wasting your time by attempting to scare women w/ post wall non-realities
(10-23-2019 05:25 PM)Herzeleid Wrote:  
(10-23-2019 08:44 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
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Thats a bit like the advice Jordan Peterson gave, be attractive to many women but chose only one. I personally think it can work out under two conditions: 1. your LTR game is tight, you know how to behave, dont show weakness, be interesting and evolving your character and be a MEN 2. Your SMV is at least two points higher. If you are a 7 dont date above 5.

If everyone would do this, especially chads, we would probably have a monogamous society again. It would also mean that everyone would get their looks/smv match. To be honest, I would be more than happy to get a wife/gf which isn't below my smv even if that meant that I have to live monogamous. So basically, the downfall of our society is the hands of men (who would have thought). Maybe we should be a good role model and start the change by being a well educated, attractive men which only choses one.

It depends on what people think a 5 is. Is it rating system based on comparison or is each case judged against a different objective standard? There seems to be a lot confusion about this now. A lot of guys look like they are factoring in a girls education, job and/or willingness to pay for dates (depending) then associating that with the girls overall SMV.

A 7 in looks (without makeup) is darn reasonable for a woman to achieve. I get that looks SMV is pretty subjective given Roosh's survey what guys consider girls SMV from one to ten; there were plenty of girls in the 7 range I would have considered 8, and 8s to 6s. Too me a good solid 7 doent have more then 23% body fat. That's not so difficult really unless are morbidly obese.

If I'm going to go for ascetics then I'd factor in light makeup vs heavy makeup/tattoos/pressings/dyed hair, clothing/footwear selection.

Whith personality I'm mainly looking for notchcount, mothering capabilities, and pleasantness (including how she interacts with strangers).

Doing stuff like not putting on too much makeup, being pleasant, or getting tattoos etc. is also very doable. The standards for a woman being 7, standards that aren't a comparison to other girls but rather objective goals, is very easy to accomplish.

I know a lot of guys might disagree, I think it's a bit misleading to look at a girls "formal" education as something desirable since it doent really tell anyone about how well a woman can raise a child or keep a home in good order - which is somthing of an education unto itself. All degrees, or lack thereof, tells me that a woman is occupying her time with something and depending on how she occupied her time is a good fit for a mother.

But hey, if your five is my seven then by all means, you don't need my permission to proceed and I'll give you two big thumbs up.
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RE: Please stop wasting your time by attempting to scare women w/ post wall non-realities
(10-23-2019 10:44 PM)Tactician Wrote:  First, you have to distinguish between sex and commitment, as Questor70 points out. A lot of women are happy with just sex. A lot more women are unhappy and feel like garbage when they can't get commitment.

Second, there's tons of regret over their fading beauty. I was talking to a 30 year old girl earlier this year. She's quite beautiful and has had a very spoiled life. We became quite close and one day she confided/humblebragged how much attention she used to get from top businessmen and the like, offers for travel etc, but now it's mostly gone and she hates it. Is she fine? From the outside looking in, yes, she can still do very well. But from her perspective she has a ton of regret and feels like she missed her shot. It's like if you drove a Ferrari, but now you drive a Mercedes. Or if you drove a Mercedes and got downgraded to a Corrola. You're still getting from point A to point B and your car probably has all the same power windows and A/C and that stupid rear-view parking camera, but you know it's not the best you could have done.

It has nothing to do with 'can women still get commitment,' yes they can. It has everything to do with, 'how badly do they wish they could do better.' Women, especially hot ones, are always having moves put on them. From ages 18 up there's so much attention thrown their way. When they are 35+ or whenever they notice the quality and quantity of attention starts to decline compared to previous years, that's when the regret sets in. From the outside looking in, their options still look great, but to them they know their options aren't their first, second, or third choice.

To put this in man terms, I guess try to imagine buying Bitcoin at 5,000 but you wish you bought in at 50 cents. Or you bet some dollars during the Trump 2016 election, but you wish you bet more (I have this regret hahaha). You're still doing well, but everyone has that greed.

Anyway, I think we're on the same page about schadenfreude and weird non-realities of women suddenly becoming sexless and commitmentless. Women are basically fine. I just wanted to say that the longer a woman waits, the more regret builds up internally. That's what tends to get to them.

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All the stuff about improving yourself and not expecting a woman to fall into your lap because she got older, we're on the same page there. In any age bracket, there's some decent % chunk of women who would rather be alone than date the options that are available to them. I don't claim to know what that number is, but I have met plenty of girls who go single for long stretches because they can't get the guys they want and don't want the guys they can get. I've seen it across all ranges of beauty. Some girls are just wired this way. As such, it's a bad strategy to wait for girls to 'age out' and become easier. Also, that's seriously weesh and I wouldn't want to hang out with any guy who thought that way.

Great sentiments!

I am currently dating a woman who by most folks' standards would be considered a 9 and by the most critical men a 7.5-8. She is 38 years old. She's breathtaking and her only drawback is her height, 6ft. A lot of men don't like statuesque women but I do, if for no other reason than to have genetic super babies(I'm 6'3).

Anyway, I'd wager she has probably lost very few suitors between 22 and 38. She simply is too far right of the bellcurve to take a meaningful hit in options. I know this forum has gone in a different direction since Roosh got saved, but let me just say that I have about 3 milfs on my roster that have seen no significant downturn in options even at 40 years old. They have incredibly tight bodies, possess a level of sophistication that young birds don't have and quite frankly they are exponentially better in the bedroom.

As a man with his shit together I've found the best strategy for dealing with attractive younger women is to have a a couple very attractive milfy women on your roster in the wake to bide time for the flakiness of younger women. It works out pretty well.
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RE: Please stop wasting your time by attempting to scare women w/ post wall non-realities
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Great sentiments!

I am currently dating a woman who by most folks' standards would be considered a 9 and by the most critical men a 7.5-8. She is 38 years old. She's breathtaking and her only drawback is her height, 6ft. A lot of men don't like statuesque women but I do, if for no other reason than to have genetic super babies(I'm 6'3).

Anyway, I'd wager she has probably lost very few suitors between 22 and 38. She simply is too far right of the bellcurve to take a meaningful hit in options. I know this forum has gone in a different direction since Roosh got saved, but let me just say that I have about 3 milfs on my roster that have seen no significant downturn in options even at 40 years old. They have incredibly tight bodies, possess a level of sophistication that young birds don't have and quite frankly they are exponentially better in the bedroom.

As a man with his shit together I've found the best strategy for dealing with attractive younger women is to have a a couple very attractive milfy women on your roster in the wake to bide time for the flakiness of younger women. It works out pretty well.

This is what I mean. Why the hell would you even bother rating a 38 year old single lady? She's too old. Now there is a difference between a married 38 year old lady and a single one. If a an married a woman in her prime and she happens to look great at 38 then props. If she is single at 38 and a guy is genuinely dating her, or "dating" then that's absolutely nothing to be proud of.

The only possible benefit is that a single lady that old would be easier to pick up.

quaker13, you can't possibly think anything about your dealings with post wall single ladies is something to be proud of do you? Men aren't proud of "dating" fatties. In that respect what makes milfs different (unless you are 65+)? You say that you are 40.
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