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RE: Did we land on the moon?
(10-28-2019 01:04 AM)Roosh Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 12:45 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Even if somehow one accepted these arguments in favor of fake moon landing, fake round earth and even fake space, the question remains... why? What's the point?

To create more people like you: atheists. And most atheists are easily controlled by trends, mainstream information, and their passions. This is the sort of person who poses no threat to those with power.

How does the moon mission create more atheists?

Many of the Apollo astronauts were christians and there were many bible readings on the missions (see Apollo Genesis reading).

Also, can anyone explain why this debate matters at all to our lives in 2019?
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(10-28-2019 01:14 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  Roosh, I'm not an atheist, I'm a Christian.

I am not a atheist nor a Christian (depending on your definition of Christian) and still believe in the moon landing. Not that I could prove it happened or didn't happen. Honestly, I don't really care one way or another.

Do the same people believe in the flat earth theories?
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(10-28-2019 07:21 AM)Teedub Wrote:  Joe Rogan used to believe in the 'staged' narrative, then someone (I can't recall who) debunked all his debunks and he changed his mind.

Really? The video embedded here came from his channel so if he really feels that way he should remove it. As it is, it makes it look like he still openly endorses the hoax theory.

The moon landing hoax thing was, as has other posters said, a really stale and outdated meme from the 70s that is only getting a second wind thanks to the internet.
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RE: Did we land on the moon?
The natural conclusion of this kind of discussion ultimately becomes philosophical. The difference between knowledge and belief ultimately comes down to the same single thing:

Faith

Im not talking about spiritual faith per se but rather faith as an intrinsic mechanism. You cant do anything without faith. If you didnt believe the ground was going to be under your foot on your next step you couldn't even walk. Conversely when a person believes the ground is there and steps over an open manhole his faith was misplaced. But the facts are just the facts. Objective truth is based on facts. But facts are rarely purely objective or absolute and so we each land on our beliefs based on the level of faith we attribute to said "facts"


I touched on this idea in the "Epstein" pedo thread: aka...another conspiracy theory thread

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-73614...pid2010920

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(08-15-2019 09:26 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Even if the story becomes "Epstein was murdered" then it's still a total wipe other than to further red-pill the few people paying attention.

Murder was always the obvious assumption but there's a lot of people that seem to think that if they can just manage to make it stick then somehow the elites can still be held to account.

Rather silly, really. "Murder or suicide" is now as relevant as Kim Kardashians next holiday or what Megan Markhle wore to the races. Gossip mag level trivia.

One of the most villainous achievements of the MSM in the last generation or so is the conversion of truth from fact to essentially a choice.

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This Las Vegas shooting really drove it home for me. The actual facts were most likely published by someone but how does one know what they are?

You cant find a needle in a haystack when the needle looks just like the hay. Once that happens then, which is the "correct" (factual truth) piece of straw comes down to a marketing effort and public opinion becomes malleable.

Personal anecdote: In the mid / late 90's I was investing in short term real estate (aka "flipping") with my friend and former employee in the Atlanta area.

One of the properties we bought (I think it was in 96 or 97 ) was a 1950's Ranch Style home in an up and coming suburb not far from a major university. The seller of the home was the estate of a notable engineering professor. He was still living but was quite elderly (we were told by our RE agent) and had been moved to an assisted living facility and his children were selling the house.

In any event, the day we closed on the property my business partner and I were going through the house , checking what needed to be demoed, trashed out,...basically hitting the ground running. As always we checked through the closets and found very little had been left behind. But as reached up I ran my hand over the shelf in the master bedroom closet I found a dusty old picture frame laying flat. Whoever had moved the old mans stuff had just missed. When I pulled it down it was a roughly 8"x 11" print of this:

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Now it was a long time ago so I cant say for certain it was this exact image but if not it was from the same group of photos. I do remember wiping the dust off the front and thinking "Wow...that's cool". So I pulled the picture out of the frame to get a better look. I could tell this was a real image printed on Kodak stock.

For many of you might be too young to really remember that there was a time before digital imaging. Pictures were printed directly from film negatives and there was no way to "fake" images such as this. When I pulled the picture out from behind the glass and could see the back I really went "Wow"

On the back in blue ink was written (to the best of my recollection)

"Thanks Doc, for all your contributions in getting us there," It was signed "Michael Collins, Apollo 11 Sept 8 1972" - (again the exact words and date are to the best of my recollection)

I realized then this was of significant value obviously. If not monetarily then most certainly of sentimental value. Long story short, the RE agent put me in touch with the old man's son who I spoke to briefly on the phone. He told me his dad had worked for NASA during the 60's. on the Apollo program and had retired in the early 70's and went on to teach engineering part time. The son himself had met several of the astronauts as a kid. He told me the picture had always meant a lot to his old man and believed Mike Collins had given him that at his retirement. He thanked me and we hung up (someone from the realtors office came and picked up the picture)

I grew up believing Americans had walked on the moon. The anecdote above had no effect on that belief.

I have never doubted it

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RE: Did we land on the moon?
^ That is a well known stock photo: https://stock.adobe.com/295748213

I imagine it was mass produced. Just because it was printed on Kodak paper, doesn't mean it came straight from the camera.

Skeptics provide evidence that the Earth was added afterwards, which I'm inclined to believe.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/828...tabunk-org

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RE: Did we land on the moon?
that's an interesting story papaya

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(09-19-2019 04:19 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  You cannot win playing in the enemy's house by the enemy's rules with the enemy acting as referee.
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Quote:Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring downa government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense,other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques dependsheavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

1. Dummy up. If it's not reported, if it's not news, it didn't happen.

2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the "How dare you?" gambit.

3. Characterize the charges as "rumors" or, better yet, "wild rumors." If,in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about thesuspicious facts, it can only be through "rumors." (If they tend to believethe "rumors" it must be because they are simply "paranoid" or "hysterical.")

4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakestcharges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (orplant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk allthe charges, real and fanciful alike.

5. Call the skeptics names like "conspiracy theorist," "nutcase," "ranter,""kook," "crackpot," and, of course, "rumor monger." Be sure, too, to useheavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges anddefending the "more reasonable" government and its defenders. You must thencarefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thusmaligned. For insurance, set up your own "skeptics" to shoot down.

6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting stronglythat they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuinga partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared toover-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition canbe very useful.

8. Dismiss the charges as "old news."

9. Come half-clean. This is also known as "confession and avoidance" or "takingthe limited hangout route." This way, you create the impression of candorand honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal"mistakes." This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back positionquite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control,the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefullylimited markets.

10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimatelyunknowable.

11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughlyrigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completelyfree press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster "suicide" note was forged,they would have reported it. They haven't reported it so there is no suchevidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracyleaker and a press who would report the leak.

12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster wasmurdered, who did it and why?

13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizingdistractions.

14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. Thisis sometimes referred to as "bump and run" reporting.

15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attributethe "facts" furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous,source.

16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges "expose"scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponentsand to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the jobwho will pretend to spend their own money.

17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, "Whatcould possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet newsgroups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?"Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines,radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical lettersand screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows wouldbe control enough, but, obviously, it is not.

http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

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(10-28-2019 04:42 PM)Roosh Wrote:  ^ That is a well known stock photo: https://stock.adobe.com/295748213

I imagine it was mass produced. Just because it was printed on Kodak paper, doesn't mean it came straight from the camera.

Skeptics provide evidence that the Earth was added afterwards, which I'm inclined to believe.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/828...tabunk-org

You’re right. I pulled the above image off of NASAs site. I wasn’t saying it was that exact image but from what I remember it was at least a very similar perspective and I used it to illustrate for “ show and tell” Perhaps I should have made that more clear.

I’m not trying to convince anyone either way. There are far far more compelling arguments to both sides of the discussion than I can offer. I was just sharing my experience and my position on the topic

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RE: Did we land on the moon?
I could very well fill a list with a bunch of common logical fallacies in conspiracy theories.

The important thing here is the closed-mindedness, the lack of sincerity in really weighing the evidence, not unlike closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears, and humming loudly.

You know the end of Planet of the Apes with the baby saying "Mama"? The entire movie was meant to attack the wilfull ignorance of the vested power structure.

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If you want to hold onto an opinion because it furthers your interests, it's not truth. In other words, to attack the moon landings because the idea of us escaping the bounds of earth seems like an insult to God or an atheist recruiting device is reason enough to deny it, whether you deep down think it happened or not, just as Dr. Zaius had fostered the myth humans were incapable of speech or technology in order to keep them down.

You see what I mean? Truth doesn't care about politics. If something happened, it happened. If it didn't, it didn't. If you really care about truth, accept it and just deal with it, just as we all had to give up our romantic fantasies and accept female nature. But almost all CT's are really used as nothing more but vehicles for an ideological message.
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RE: Did we land on the moon?
I believe it because it was done by germans not americans.

Almost all invention that sparked the huge technology revolution after WWII was invented in Europe and mainly by germans. The transistor itself was patented in Europe: "Austro-Hungarian physicist Julius Edgar Lilienfeld proposed the concept of a field-effect transistor in 1926, but it was not possible to actually construct a working device at that time"

After those creative germans went to pension the americans started high level corruption in NASA and they had to start faking things to cover theirselves. 1M USD for a hammer and such things made space exploration extremely costly and the few remaining people with actual creativity struggle to create new things in a hostile environment filled with diversity of all kinds. This is the reason why it is impossible to repeat the landing now.

I can easily believe the "we forgot how to" explanation. When they were working on Moon landing they did not spend time to educate their successors. And those people with the knowledge were european germans with no roots in the USA. And maybe they did not have the habit to document everything properly - which is very costly in time. When they left for the Walhalla they brought their knowledge with themselves.

One day it will be repeated: either by the chinese or by private companies like Space-X. If they manage to reduce corruption and focus the existing human creativity then it will happen again. Just are current culture does not produce these circumstances.
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I'm a denier. I've seen too much footage I can pick apart. There's too much financial incentive for them to fabricate the landing. Selenelion Eclipse. Ever looked that up? Or cold moonlight? Measure it yourself. I look up at the moon and think, what even is that thing? If we did go there, and I doubt we did, I think they had to lie either way. They will more, with the claims that they'll have a station there soon, be critical-thinkers, men.
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I think it was real. I think they found relics/evidence of a past cycle of human/? civilization and they need to keep it under wraps. The fake moon lading theories do a good job of keeping people distracted
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RE: Did we land on the moon?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0g_bnUS36TU

In the video above joe rogan is adamant we didn’t go to the moon, as there’s an abundance of evidence that tells us so. You can hear in his voice how passionately he believes this. However after getting his own talk show, Neil de grasse Freemason Tyson comes on to the show.

Joe starts by stressing how very important and cool Neil is, they then cut to the chase and the super intelligent cool scientist goes on to give an in-depth scientific answer as to why we certainly went to the moon. Basically ‘ if you look at how much fuel was loaded into the rocket, and you calculated where it would take you, it’s actually to the moon and back’ he then bursts into laughter as if this is an acceptable answer. Joe then calls himself a retard.

Joe rogan speaks like a scared little boy to Neil de grasse freemanson Tyson throuout the whole interview which was completely set up anyway. Anyone who has seriously looked into it knows we didn’t and knows it wouldn’t of even been possible.
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By the way nasa means to deceive in Hebrew
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(10-28-2019 05:57 PM)questor70 Wrote:  I could very well fill a list with a bunch of common logical fallacies in conspiracy theories.

The important thing here is the closed-mindedness, the lack of sincerity in really weighing the evidence, not unlike closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears, and humming loudly.

But it is you who is close minded. Clear evidence proving that the moon landings are fake have been posted here already, but you have decided to not look at them or you have looked at them with your mind already made up.

I am right in the middle. I am open to any side. Whoever can show the strongest proof for their side wins me over. Right now, there hasn't been any compelling proof showing the moon landing actually happened, but plenty of evidence that it didn't. So, I am currently a denier all the way. And I am not religious. I try to to look at the facts at hand.
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Imagine being able to look at this press conference and believe these are astronauts coming back from the moon.

If they truly did come back from the moon, I wonder what actually happened there. Cause they look scared and very uncomfortable.



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There is no way we landed on the moon. A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon is an excellent documentary and revealed for the first time (at the time) evidence of the astronauts faking being halfway to the moon. And why were they faking being halfway to the moon? Because we can't leave lower earth orbit because of the Van Allen Radiation belt. In order for astronauts to survive going through that radiation belt, it would require being inside a shuttle that has steel walls several feet thick. Then the shuttle would be too heavy to lift off.

Anybody who still thinks we landed on the moon needs to watch that documentary and the SGT Report interview with Bart Sibrel who made the documentary. Combined, it's just two hours of your time, and well worth it.

I actually think the interview is better and would start with this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtKWpcc0gnI
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