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Even though there is real momentum going forward just be aware that the next step the neocon establishment may take is to get Trump to do a total disavowal. That could certainly hurt momentum and cause the more NPC type mainstream Republicans to also disavow anything to do with America First.

Yeah, it's ironic to get Republicans to disavow something that promotes traditional religious conservatism and America first political values but there's a lot of ignorant plebs out there. America is very easy to brainwash and that's just the unfortunate truth.

Despite all this just keep in mind Trump is still very much a pro Israel president. He may not be totally on board with the neocon program but there's definitely a lot of pressure there.

For this to be sustainable it has to carry forward to whoever is president now and in the future. Rejection of the ziocon establishment has to become the norm.
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A disavowal from Trump won’t matter at all. If he’d done the job he was hired to do, this wouldn’t be happening in the first place.

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The problem with Trump is that he is still beholden to (((Jared and Ivanka, and all the other Israeli Firsters))). To his credit, he's held off causing world War 3, which is annoying the neocons.

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(11-08-2019 08:00 PM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  A disavowal from Trump won’t matter at all. If he’d done the job he was hired to do, this wouldn’t be happening in the first place.

Nick has gone on record that he thinks it is a very bad idea to target Trump, and that he supports the president. His beef is with TPUSA and Zionist conservatives, even though its well known that Trump supports Israel.

This schism in the conservative movement is fascinating because all the core fundamental beliefs of the Groyper movement:

-Social Conservatism
-Christianity
-America First foreign policy
-Ending Mass Immigration

Are all policies (((they))) directly oppose. These ideas are dangerous to them (Why exactly?) and the backlash we've seen the past 2 weeks is proof they're worried.
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Crewshaw tells the students they will regret being on camera asking these questions. We know it is likely TPUSA is working with Antifa. Is this a threat that Anitfa will come after these students?



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(11-08-2019 08:15 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  The problem with Trump is that he is still beholden to (((Jared and Ivanka, and all the other Israeli Firsters))). To his credit, he's held off causing world War 3, which is annoying the neocons.

Yes. Netanyahu literally has sleepovers with best buddy Jared.

This means that just from these family affiliations Trump is tied in with the Likud party who are a big part of the neocon establishment.

I think there are more narcissistic reasons why Trump doesn't go to war. He knows war will tank his perceived legacy. If more Americans were on board with war then America would be fighting Iran and fully involved in Syria now.

9/11 was a very special event for neocons and it allowed them to push through a lot of their think tank foreign policy such as PNAC. However, barring another 9/11 type event they will have a much harder time convincing the American public to go to war again.

I wouldn't put it past U.S. intelligence agencies in conjunction with Mossad trying to provoke or facilitate another 9/11 style attack. They have already tried to false flag Iran with tanker bullshit but they will need something much bigger than that to usher in a new war.
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The question I'd ask Charlie Kirk is this: You are an avowed Christian. Where in the Scriptures does God promise to bless nations and people who indulge in homosexual activity?
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Fuentes in fine form tonight, tearing up Benjie and Zioclops, 8,400 live viewers. Missed my Friday night poker game to listen.



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^^

The pathetic thing about Zioclops is that he probably could have been elected anyways without joining the neocon establishment.

He could have found his own political niche just based on his background. Plenty of people would vote for him just on that alone.

Instead he chose to be a sellout and a manchurian candidate for Israel.
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Former military jar head type goyim with the bare minimum charisma to get asses in seats are like a gift from God in the eyes of the grabblers.

They don't think independently and are well trained to follow orders without questioning the narrative.

Zioclops and his kind are easy pickings for the tribe. The more you sacrifice for a false idol the harder it is to cut your losses and admit it was all in the service of evil.

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The thing about Crenshaw is that I believe his tour is a legal excuse for the Jews to give him a large financial payment for being a good shabbos goy. If I'm right, this was supposed to be a fluff tour, similar to how a celebrity goes on a late-night talk show. The fact that Crenshaw is responding in anger shows things were totally unexpected from his perspective. They told him he would embarrass liberals to increase his profile, but instead he's getting embarrassed.


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It boggles my mind that Kirk and Crenshaw think “Israel has to spend your tax dollars on American products” is such a good talking point that they resort to it over and over again. If you give someone money, and they use the free money you gave them to buy something from you, then they’ve gained free merchandise and you’re still at zero. You’re literally just giving them free things. And Kirk and Crenshaw are saying that giving free things to Israel benefits America because Israel gets things for free at American taxpayer expense.

When Republicans send their shills, they aren’t sending their best. They’re stupid, they’re liars, and some, I assume, are good people.

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(11-09-2019 12:58 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  at American taxpayer expense.

When Republicans send their shills, they aren’t sending their best. They’re stupid, they’re liars, and some, I assume, are good people.

Good intentions pave the road to hell.

Cant remember the proverbs author, but yeah it's an old one.

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It makes me think that while ridiculing him is effective it will still rub veterans the wrong way, and considering what a valuable resource they could be into the future it would probably be wiser to take a more brotherly tone in comparison with the reasonable hostility shown toward Jewish con-men like Shapiro.

Perhaps a more powerful message towards the likes of Crenshaw is that his people need him now more than ever but they first need him to wake up and reject the people sending the sons of America to die in the desert.

I think it's probably the devil that pushes us to respond with hostility as a knee-jerk reaction but often (and particularly when it concerns your own people) a better message is that they're batting for the wrong team. Tribal affiliation is a very deep instinct and the zioshills have to expend a LOT of energy suppressing it in whites, undoing much of that work every time one of the (((fellow whites))) lets the mask drop a little too far.

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(11-09-2019 12:58 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  It boggles my mind that Kirk and Crenshaw think “Israel has to spend your tax dollars on American products” is such a good talking point that they resort to it over and over again. If you give someone money, and they use the free money you gave them to buy something from you, then they’ve gained free merchandise and you’re still at zero. You’re literally just giving them free things. And Kirk and Crenshaw are saying that giving free things to Israel benefits America because Israel gets things for free at American taxpayer expense.

When Republicans send their shills, they aren’t sending their best. They’re stupid, they’re liars, and some, I assume, are good people.

Hoist them on their own petard. Ask them why it's OK to give welfare to foreign Israelis but not to black Americans.

Conflate Israel with a welfare bum and watch the neo-conservative cogs grind to a halt.
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(11-08-2019 05:54 PM)gework Wrote:  This gets better every day. Imagine spending $10s of millions, if not more, on a new fake conservative movement, when your old one dies; and then having it blown away by a bunch "effeminate losers who masturbate in their mom's basement".

Ben's described it as such in his own words.

Heartiste was right about so many things, including Gen Z.

However like someone said previously, let's hope that Nick doesn't get bribed by the promise of endless pootang and whatnot, due to him being young.
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(11-09-2019 12:58 AM)MichaelWitcoff Wrote:  It boggles my mind that Kirk and Crenshaw think “Israel has to spend your tax dollars on American products” is such a good talking point that they resort to it over and over again. If you give someone money, and they use the free money you gave them to buy something from you, then they’ve gained free merchandise and you’re still at zero. You’re literally just giving them free things. And Kirk and Crenshaw are saying that giving free things to Israel benefits America because Israel gets things for free at American taxpayer expense.

When Republicans send their shills, they aren’t sending their best. They’re stupid, they’re liars, and some, I assume, are good people.

That's their pre-determined talking point - everyone among them uses the same argument and they are likely not allowed to deviate from that.

And personally I wouldn't mind even aid of 30 bio. $ a year if in return the entire Zionist establishment was supporting the end of mass migration to the West, a giant-ass triple-part secured wall and millions of deportations.

But the thing is - they want that cash and they want the Westerners to become minorities in the countries they built while the fellow Whites scream about White privilege and spread applied communism in every media, Hollywood and academic unit where they reign.

So essentially you are paying not your ally 3 bio. $, but you are paying your enemy that money while he constantly works at wiping out your culture and in the future your prosperous safe nation.

Though the entire show is stupid-ass and backfired tremendously to them. TPUSA should be indoctrinating the next Boomer-Republicans, should create a fake "conservative" oppositions against those triggered Bolsheviks at college campuses. But it turns out that those Bolsheviks don't care about cuckservatives and the crowds instead of being made up of "conservatives" are just groypers of various denominations - everyone of them despising TPUSA and the Republican party. Plus - lots of those younglings get RedPilled on many issues.

So the colleges have ever less cuckservitves in their ranks and the factions are either the usual far-left and lefties and on the other side the true Nationalists and the Groypers. The overton window for the politically minded on the right has been definitely pushed more to the right in the new generation. The entire campaign backfired tremendously and that is why Ben Shapiro dedicated his entire speech to them, because they are the bigger danger to him than the Sanders-lefties which are likely paid by the same billionaire guys on the Republican side - playing likely golf together and laughing about those stupid useless eaters.
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I'm not going to lie. This little clip gets me pretty pumped up. That doesn't happen at my age too often.

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The $3 billion figure I would bet isn't even the half of it. That's just what's listed under "foreign aid bill"

As former congressman James Traficant stated in an interview once take a look at all the trade compacts, economic assistance, military assistance with Israel and placed the figure closer to 15 to 20 billion annually.

Then you have extorted reparations money flowing in from Germany, Rothschild and co Bankers, crooked politicians and fortune 500 types funnelling dirty money to the motherland.

Worst still is Ma and Pa lower middleclass churchgoer hoodwinked by their Judeo ziocuck preacher to send their hard earned as offering to the Israeli's that fundamentally hate Christians.

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So...vet perspective on Crenshaw here.


My response isn’t to be offended at making fun of him.


Instead I’m pissed that this asshole would DARE sell us out for the sake of Israel and shill for their foreign policies. He’s advocating for policies that would place people I know directly in harms way while harming the US as a whole.


Usually we’d call people like that traitors. He’s a modern Benedict Arnold....and where the fuck does he get the idea to threaten people for questioning him? That’s a direct betrayal of the spirit of the oath because the entire point is to serve the people and not rule over them.



Now I’m not entirely representive but the zio-shill vets are a lost cause anyone and most them will still get on board anyway against libs.
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(11-09-2019 04:25 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  So the colleges have ever less cuckservitves in their ranks and the factions are either the usual far-left and lefties and on the other side the true Nationalists and the Groypers. The overton window for the politically minded on the right has been definitely pushed more to the right in the new generation. The entire campaign backfired tremendously and that is why Ben Shapiro dedicated his entire speech to them, because they are the bigger danger to him than the Sanders-lefties which are likely paid by the same billionaire guys on the Republican side - playing likely golf together and laughing about those stupid useless eaters.

Yes, the Jews must be in full panic mode because a lot of mainstream liberals don't like Israel due to the 'white oppressor' narrative that has been shoved down our throats since WWII. And those 'white' Israelis are oppressing the poor brown Palestinians.

I graduated college during the Trump campaign, and just a few years ago 99% of the BDS and anti-zionist stuff was coming from literal self-described Bolsheviks and Maoists. Even my non-Jewish professors were saying that ISIS was a Mossad operation and that the Iraq War was about Greater Israel. There was a noticeable anti-zionist faction on campus, and this was a very large state school with a lot of Jewish students and staff.

It's definitely satisfying that these factions are uniting on at least one issue.
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Here a hilarious cut of Shapiro vs Shapiro:





Old Nationalist Shapiro who started out clearly pointing out that most immigrants from South of the border were far-left and they are in fact not contributing, but taking more in welfare than they bring.

I remember hearing about Ben Shapiro when he was young trying to make his way as a political e-celebrity. He conversed a lot with Vox Day - yeah that Red Pill guy Vox Day. VoxDay consulted Shapiro on how to go forward. No wonder that Ben Shapiro sounds like the Alt-Right in the past. He only turned his rhetoric later when he got enough trillionaire shekels.

That also means that his MAIN MISSION IS TO PLACATE THE CONSERVATIVES UNTIL THE DEMOGRAPHIC REPLACEMENT IS COMPLETE. After that he will keep on placating them in order to not let them have any ideas of a secession in certain areas.

So the upstart Shapiro sounds awfully different from the one we get now. And he may be fully conservative in his life and for his tribe, but certainly not for the goys.
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(11-09-2019 01:31 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  It makes me think that while ridiculing him is effective it will still rub veterans the wrong way, and considering what a valuable resource they could be into the future it would probably be wiser to take a more brotherly tone in comparison with the reasonable hostility shown toward Jewish con-men like Shapiro.

Perhaps a more powerful message towards the likes of Crenshaw is that his people need him now more than ever but they first need him to wake up and reject the people sending the sons of America to die in the desert.

I think it's probably the devil that pushes us to respond with hostility as a knee-jerk reaction but often (and particularly when it concerns your own people) a better message is that they're batting for the wrong team. Tribal affiliation is a very deep instinct and the zioshills have to expend a LOT of energy suppressing it in whites, undoing much of that work every time one of the (((fellow whites))) lets the mask drop a little too far.

Agree - Crenshaw is so good on paper and should be an asset in Congress. He is still a badass but his is out of his league here.

I'm far less anti-Israel than most of the Board, but the arguments are just so bad. They are not a real ally, they rarely actually support the US and have been caught spying on us numerous times. The other Anglo countries have been our only reliable allies for 100 years. And who cares if they are a democracy, often many of our most reliable partners are dictatorships (especially in the 3rd world).

But do think too many Israel focused questions can be used against the Groypers, focus on immigration. Looking at Crenshaw's district it is 32% hispanic. While it is still currently fairly reliably red, in 10 years his blindness to this issue will make it unwinnable for him.
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