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The two people aren't even remotely comparable in ideology to begin with.

Fuentes is a religious paleocon. Everything he believes in can be summed up with Pat Buchanan.

Fuentes has stated repeatedly he doesn't want anything to do with the alt-right or their brand of ethnonationalism. He mocks the secession ideas and the black pill accelerationist stuff often.

Ethnonationalist ideals as defined by the leading alt right figures go way beyond just halting immigration and preserving a white majority.

I'm not sure what he has to "prove" because he doesn't represent the alt right to begin with. You can look at his goals as more about establishing a new paleocon movement to challenge ziocon subversion over traditional American social conservatism.

This scares the establishment way more than the alt right because paleoconservativism has a lot of real legitimacy behind it.

If you don't think he's being attacked you haven't been looking at twitter. All of the establishment shills with blue checks are ripping on him daily.
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Only the deluded and dishonest think Nick Fuentes is a Nazi or a fascist sympathizer.

But thinking about this supposed mortal offense of Holocaust denial... A lot of people, me included, for years just assumed the party line that anyone questioning the extent of the holocaust must be a Nazi sympathizer. But then I realized, there are people who deny Stalin killed 20M+ people. There are people who believe Roman persecution of Christians was generally more localized and occasional than constant. Somehow these revisionists have avoided the fate of being drummed from polite society. Why do I care if some guy thinks 1M or 3M people died instead of 6M? That's not "denial" anyway. Every historical field has its revisionists and yet only one cancels you for denying the official position. The fact that fake cons/neocons, the ADL, and the left have made this an offense worthy of public death is absurd when you think about it.
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It's difficult to say whether Spencer is a plant. He is supposedly born wealthy, so financial enticements don't work so well. And it certainly impacts his social life tremendously - he probably cannot go around freely in many places in the US.

He could very well be just a flawed individual with some good and some bad ideas at the same time. Though he should have never have been a leader.

Though it takes a few comments like with Fuentes to have him twisted into some Neonazi. Only men like Jared Taylor are smarter and that is why they are usually ignored by the media.
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(Yesterday 08:16 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  Zoomer rocks out with a college class presentation on Demographic replacement at Georgia Southern University.





Overall, not bad for a short presentation although he gets a little angsty.

More than a few of his classmates seem like morons though. Not surprising really.

Amazing presentation and even during it you hear the initial laughs and comments be replaced by silence as it dawns on most that the guy may be right.

Most people just never hear this side of the story. Also nice point in the cartoon with a typical female representation that calls out a guy Nazi.
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He said on twitter that half the class were non-white. Brave kid.

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I remember in a Father Ripperger video, in a discussion on exorcisms, that demons are loathsome creatures. That their only power is the power you give to them. And that if you invoke the name of Jesus Christ and tell them they must leave the body, they are forced to do so. They have no choice and they must leave the body and return to hell due to their fear of Jesus Christ. It is very powerful to hear, when you realize the documentation on exorcisms. Anyway, it seems the demons who walk among us are the same. It appears the pressure by the America First conservatives is starting to make them crack.

If he deletes it, Ben Shapiro "Gingrich almost drops his pen. Ron Paul grabs it and wrings it like the neck of a Joo."

There was also the weird tweet, I can't find it now, of one of the Conservative Inc.'s big shots responding to a "then debate Nick tweet" with a weird remark of "I'll smear shit all over my face then go debate Nick".

The older I get, the more I realize the true nature of good v. evil. Evil appears to be cracking.
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I'm trying to think about how I would have reacted to that presentation back when I was between the age of 18-22. I still had many blue pill liberal ideas from living half my life in California at the time. I think if I heard a presentation like that I would have definitely recognized the truth in it and looked up the facts to confirm. So it is probably an effective red pill.

The thing is when you are around other minorities a lot especially the "urban youth" types then it doesn't take very much to red pill you. They tend to act pretty ghetto anyways. The funny thing is i've never had any real life beef with blacks or latinos and even was friends with many latinos but the behavior i've seen over the years in person tho... lol.

Obviously family matters a lot and the experiences imparted by parents. My father (deceased now) was pretty red pill he was a very young child soldier in WW2. He fought the Japanese and then the Communist regime. They tried but failed to establish their own nationalist bridgehead in asia.

His commanding officer even had an edelweiss insignia from alpine training with the Wehrmacht. A bit of unknown trivia for you guys. If you're a history nerd you'll figure out which specific asian foreigners had that.

I think Fuentes has mentioned how older generations in his family have influenced him a lot. He's a young kid so to be aware that early he had to have had some big influences in his life.

My child will also learn from me and so forth..
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(Today 03:57 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It's difficult to say whether Spencer is a plant. He is supposedly born wealthy, so financial enticements don't work so well. And it certainly impacts his social life tremendously - he probably cannot go around freely in many places in the US.

I don't think he's a plant. He's simply just not as smart as he appears to be. He's reasonably well educated and can debate when it comes to political or historical rhetoric but there no concrete roadmap for his ideology.

The problem with the alt right is there actually is no realistic political or social roadmap. When there is no roadmap then societal collapse and rebuilding becomes the goal.

I said a long time ago that the alt right was mostly larping and fantasy theory crafting.

I know that will piss some white nationalists off who are reading this but it's true.

Even the siege pill elements of the alt right are targeting the wrong people and are just adding to a basket of political excuses that can be propagandized by the establishment against other nationalists with greater effect.
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(Today 08:00 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  
(Today 03:57 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It's difficult to say whether Spencer is a plant. He is supposedly born wealthy, so financial enticements don't work so well. And it certainly impacts his social life tremendously - he probably cannot go around freely in many places in the US.

I don't think he's a plant. He's simply just not as smart as he appears to be. He's reasonably well educated and can debate when it comes to political or historical rhetoric but there no concrete roadmap for his ideology.

The problem with the alt right is there actually is no realistic political or social roadmap. When there is no roadmap then societal collapse and rebuilding becomes the goal.

I said a long time ago that the alt right was mostly larping and fantasy theory crafting.

I know that will piss some white nationalists off who are reading this but it's true.

Even the siege pill elements of the alt right are targeting the wrong people and are just adding to a basket of excuses that can be propagandized against nationalists with greater effect.

This is a good summation of Richard Spencer. Spencer is incredibly intelligent and well informed on the problems we face. But he has serious issues in communicating these problems. I don't think he is a plant for a few reasons.

#1) He is well connected, yet his life has been turned upside down to the point where he can't even go out in public.

#2) He didn't need the money, he already had money.

#3) He is on video begging to be arrested at Charlottesville, but the police were ordered to not arrest and instead send everyone, including Spencer, into the Antifa gauntlet. He is now dealing with a fraudulent civil lawsuit regarding Charlottesville.

Spencer's problem is he grew up in an upper class bubble. He is making references to things his base does not relate to. He doesn't seem to understand the average working class white that has been destroyed by globalism goes out an buys a new fall outfit every fall. Nor do they eat $20 hamburgers with caramelized onions. They are working and fighting just to keep the lights on and trying to figure out how to keep their kids safe.

Spencer seems to have realized he isn't a leader and now has taken a back seat and just does his little podcast and mostly keeps to himself.
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(Today 08:00 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  
(Today 03:57 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It's difficult to say whether Spencer is a plant. He is supposedly born wealthy, so financial enticements don't work so well. And it certainly impacts his social life tremendously - he probably cannot go around freely in many places in the US.

I don't think he's a plant. He's simply just not as smart as he appears to be. He's reasonably well educated and can debate when it comes to political or historical rhetoric but there no concrete roadmap for his ideology.

The problem with the alt right is there actually is no realistic political or social roadmap. When there is no roadmap then societal collapse and rebuilding becomes the goal.

I said a long time ago that the alt right was mostly larping and fantasy theory crafting.

I know that will piss some white nationalists off who are reading this but it's true.

Even the siege pill elements of the alt right are targeting the wrong people and are just adding to a basket of political excuses that can be propagandized by the establishment against other nationalists with greater effect.

Yeah - there was no direction and no road-map and everyone was allowed to talk for you, also make big demonstrations that were obviously ill-advised. That is why the globohomos move so hard against the Identitarians in Europe, because they have a plan and are organized more like a political party with a clear-road-map. None of it has any ethnic cleansing or stupid 100% White Nationalism in it. It's more a sensible policy plan that could be implemented today if the will was there at the top. No one would get hurt over it, just some people would not be allowed to move to those evil racist Western countries and others would be offered cash to sell their citizenships.

They are far more dangerous to the elite than the boogieman of Spencer.
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(Today 08:19 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(Today 08:00 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  
(Today 03:57 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  It's difficult to say whether Spencer is a plant. He is supposedly born wealthy, so financial enticements don't work so well. And it certainly impacts his social life tremendously - he probably cannot go around freely in many places in the US.

I don't think he's a plant. He's simply just not as smart as he appears to be. He's reasonably well educated and can debate when it comes to political or historical rhetoric but there no concrete roadmap for his ideology.

The problem with the alt right is there actually is no realistic political or social roadmap. When there is no roadmap then societal collapse and rebuilding becomes the goal.

I said a long time ago that the alt right was mostly larping and fantasy theory crafting.

I know that will piss some white nationalists off who are reading this but it's true.

Even the siege pill elements of the alt right are targeting the wrong people and are just adding to a basket of political excuses that can be propagandized by the establishment against other nationalists with greater effect.

Yeah - there was no direction and no road-map and everyone was allowed to talk for you, also make big demonstrations that were obviously ill-advised. That is why the globohomos move so hard against the Identitarians in Europe, because they have a plan and are organized more like a political party with a clear-road-map. None of it has any ethnic cleansing or stupid 100% White Nationalism in it. It's more a sensible policy plan that could be implemented today if the will was there at the top. No one would get hurt over it, just some people would not be allowed to move to those evil racist Western countries and others would be offered cash to sell their citizenships.

They are far more dangerous to the elite than the boogieman of Spencer.

The key is assimilation. That's why I'm not as black pilled as many others regarding Hispanic immigration to the US. The US isn't an ethno state ("white" isn't an ethnicity and the white population here is a mix of Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Nordic, Italian, Slavic, and a bunch of others as it is) and we can absorb the Hispanics who are already here into the majority population IF we a) stem the constant flow of new arrivals and b) provide cultural, social, and legal incentives for assimilation. Hispanics have a high rate of intermarriage especially past the first generation and I would bet that--like 19th/early 20th century European immigrant groups before them--their voting patterns are a lot healthier the longer they've been here. I don't know if anyone has ever studied this, but I would be shocked if each successive generation of Latin immigrants isn't significantly more likely to vote red than the one before them (by generation here I'm talking about how long each individual's family has been in the US, not boomers/millenials/Gen Z etc).

And for those who are worried about such things, most Mexicans and Central Americans are of predominantly European heritage (Cubans, Venezuelans, etc even more so); they have high rates of intermarriage with whites especially past the first generation or two; and there was a time when Irish, Italians, Slavs, and others weren't considered "white" by the Anglo-Saxon-Nordic dominant majority either.

It's not going to be easy, but it isn't impossible. And full disclosure, my daughter who is on the way and any other kids I have will be Hispanic, so I have a dog in the fight.

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< Good luck with that - it hasn't been possible so far. Venezuela was majority European some 70 years ago. Look at it now.

Dog in the fight is meaningless frankly. Lenny also has s mixed South American kids and wife and from what I hear - his wife is more racially aware than him. Hispanic is a meaningless term because that can be Spaniard/Portuguese/Austrian/Italian heritage. Mestizo however is another thing and the countries in the northern hemisphere of South America follow heavily along the racial patterns set up by that tribe - and less the Europeans who settled there. Brazil is even a greater shitshow being African/Mesizo/European mixed with little hope of any improvement in the near future.

Hispanics are not for lack of reason divided 33% to 66%. Brazil has even exact school results separated by racial mix and it follows pretty much what the bell-curve predicts in this case.

White as in European-heritage is clear and looking at cities of Madrid, Greece or St. Petersburg - you see clearly a very similar culture that corresponds with IQ and Christian heritage/values despite all the differences.

Assimilation hasn't worked so far except for the more European-heritage Hispanics who go-figure would have fit even the old founding-father White-heritage definition.

Exceptions will always exist and your mixed kids may very well be those, but the idea that you can expect the same while all the history we had from both the US as well as South America says otherwise. It's the same as with discussions with high-IQ blacks. I tell them that I have no trouble believing that a country subistent of guys like them can be an African Japan, but the averages of the tribe cannot and will not support that at least not in the near or intermediate future. That is why civic nationalism is an idiotic idea and the consitution of Liberia did not produce an African USA despite having smart ethical Masonic leaders as the US. And Venezuela if it was still majority or 70% European would at this point be a quite well-off and not a communist shithole.

   
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You both make great points, but the point Tobaggan makes is that if we cut off immigration now, then it will be possible to assimilate enough Hispanics into America's traditional culture and preserve it. Not that 100% will be assimilated. Just that we will have enough to control the electoral college, and I think he's right.

The longer immigration is turned off, the more effective the assimilation process becomes. It's not that assimilation is impossible, it's just that it takes many generations to achieve and is very slow.

My great-grandfather was an immigrant on my father's side, and he voted Democrat and Republican. My grandfather voted for Kennedy. By 1975 all the men in my family have voted Republican.

Once your family has been here for 50+ years, you realize this country is all you've got. You'll vote to preserve it.

Same was true of Italian and Irish immigrants. They voted overwhelmingly Democrat. Today, they have a small majority in favor of Republicans. If we view this process of those who want to preserve America (conservative), versus those who want to exploit it (liberal), then it's obvious the critical role immigration plays in all of this. Closing down the immigrant gates, and keeping them closed is the best strategy America can do to keep the country strong and healthy.

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< This is the old European system where a good portion of the votes switches from left to right - and yes - some like Southern Europeans or Northern Europeans being more socialist. But the same group also vote for a likeable shitlord Republican.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-...-7-charts/

Here from 2013 when the media was less psycho:

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The Repoublican party has become the White people party - 90% of their votes come from Whites!

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Bush reached that support by offering low-income Hispanics houses in the boom. It only crashed the world economy - but hey....

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And this is getting worse, not better, because the Hispanic demographics is also shifting from the Cuban/European-South American block which is decreasing as well in the US. So their internal demographics are doing the same thing.

Assimilation to European level of voting-behavior may take centuries. Or it won't work at all since the current population system in the West is dysgenic - and it means that it will rather follow down the line of the black community than the White community.
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There was once a time in this country where black Americans split pretty evenly between the Dems/GOP. Then in 1948, Harry Truman made an explicit appeal for civil rights measures, voter protections and anti-lynching statutes resulting in the first jump in party ID for the Dems. In 1960s, the Dems pushed through additional civil rights measures and got a second boost.

The Democrats offered us the protection of the laws when the GOP wouldn't---you can't underestimate how much this meant to us. I agree, the Democratic party of today is not what it was back then but these kinds of the loyalties die-hard and it's not too much to say that in some ways the GOP has itself to blame for it's predicament with black voters. All evidence shows that the American right & left were equally competitive with black voters---but only one offered to make us full Americans, and we have never forgotten that.

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