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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-27-2019 10:22 AM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:48 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  Get married but bang side sluts once in a while

I was waiting for one of these. This sentiment used to crop up time and again in the old forum but what does Roosh have to say now about promoting marital infidelity?

Or, as the Bible would put it, adultery. That is, one of the most vile and serious sins out there. Not to mention the destroying of your children's lives that usually comes along with it.

OP, for what it's worth I vote you marry this girl, based on your description. You're not going to do any better and there isn't really much better out there.

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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-27-2019 02:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-27-2019 10:22 AM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:48 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  Get married but bang side sluts once in a while

I was waiting for one of these. This sentiment used to crop up time and again in the old forum but what does Roosh have to say now about promoting marital infidelity?

Or, as the Bible would put it, adultery. That is, one of the most vile and serious sins out there. Not to mention the destroying of your children's lives that usually comes along with it.

OP, for what it's worth I vote you marry this girl, based on your description. You're not going to do any better and there isn't really much better out there.

Most People in marriage the wife tends to stop giving sex to her husband after a few years or when they go 40+ their appetite for sex is gone while the husband still has his sex appetite until 60+. You prefer a divorce or a life in celibacy? Islam allows 4 wifes for this specific reason.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-28-2019 05:11 AM)zamfir112 Wrote:  
(10-27-2019 02:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-27-2019 10:22 AM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:48 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  Get married but bang side sluts once in a while

I was waiting for one of these. This sentiment used to crop up time and again in the old forum but what does Roosh have to say now about promoting marital infidelity?

Or, as the Bible would put it, adultery. That is, one of the most vile and serious sins out there. Not to mention the destroying of your children's lives that usually comes along with it.

OP, for what it's worth I vote you marry this girl, based on your description. You're not going to do any better and there isn't really much better out there.

Most People in marriage the wife tends to stop giving sex to her husband after a few years or when they go 40+ their appetite for sex is gone while the husband still has his sex appetite until 60+. You prefer a divorce or a life in celibacy? Islam allows 4 wifes for this specific reason.

Or you could marry a 20yo when being 40, so it matches up. Big Grin

I'm still strongly suspecting that most of those martial sex problems find their cause in pre-martial fornication or cohabitation.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-28-2019 05:30 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 05:11 AM)zamfir112 Wrote:  
(10-27-2019 02:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-27-2019 10:22 AM)questor70 Wrote:  
(10-26-2019 05:48 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  Get married but bang side sluts once in a while

I was waiting for one of these. This sentiment used to crop up time and again in the old forum but what does Roosh have to say now about promoting marital infidelity?

Or, as the Bible would put it, adultery. That is, one of the most vile and serious sins out there. Not to mention the destroying of your children's lives that usually comes along with it.

OP, for what it's worth I vote you marry this girl, based on your description. You're not going to do any better and there isn't really much better out there.

Most People in marriage the wife tends to stop giving sex to her husband after a few years or when they go 40+ their appetite for sex is gone while the husband still has his sex appetite until 60+. You prefer a divorce or a life in celibacy? Islam allows 4 wifes for this specific reason.

Or you could marry a 20yo when being 40, so it matches up. Big Grin

I'm still strongly suspecting that most of those martial sex problems find their cause in pre-martial fornication or cohabitation.

Yes, I definitely recommend marrying a woman far younger when you're in your 40s.

I don't know what to tell all these guys who can't keep their women interested in sex. This has never been a problem for me. It's the only thing that was never a problem in previous relationships, and now that I'm married if anything my wife bugs me for it a bit more than I'd like (due to Coolidge affect and it usually being late at night after the kids are finally asleep and I'm also very tired). Maybe eat right and hit the weight room a bit more if this a problem, and learn how to apply game in your marriage to keep her emotionally interested.

As far as the various rationalizations for adultery some guys on the forum are still coming up with, I can't tell them how to live their lives. That's between them and God. I can definitely tell them what I think God's reaction will be, and what effect it will have on their children. But hey, if your getting laid is the more important than your children's wellbeing and your eternal soul, I can't stop you.

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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
When the woman cuts off sex it is generally because she is not attracted to her husband. Usually the excuse is fatigue, hormonal changes, health issues, etc., and any of those can be true. But more often, it's lack of attraction. Sometimes that's because she used to be attracted and that faded due to his lack of game, being too beta, letting her dominate, and the like. But in your average Western marriage, she lacked attraction from the beginning because he was a beta provider all along.

Guys, if your wife cuts you off, she most likely sees you as somewhere between a eunuch and a troll. All the lingerie, sex toys, vacations, and erotic scented oils in the world won't fix that.
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(10-28-2019 08:07 AM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 05:30 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 05:11 AM)zamfir112 Wrote:  
(10-27-2019 02:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-27-2019 10:22 AM)questor70 Wrote:  I was waiting for one of these. This sentiment used to crop up time and again in the old forum but what does Roosh have to say now about promoting marital infidelity?

Or, as the Bible would put it, adultery. That is, one of the most vile and serious sins out there. Not to mention the destroying of your children's lives that usually comes along with it.

OP, for what it's worth I vote you marry this girl, based on your description. You're not going to do any better and there isn't really much better out there.

Most People in marriage the wife tends to stop giving sex to her husband after a few years or when they go 40+ their appetite for sex is gone while the husband still has his sex appetite until 60+. You prefer a divorce or a life in celibacy? Islam allows 4 wifes for this specific reason.

Or you could marry a 20yo when being 40, so it matches up. Big Grin

I'm still strongly suspecting that most of those martial sex problems find their cause in pre-martial fornication or cohabitation.

Yes, I definitely recommend marrying a woman far younger when you're in your 40s.

I don't know what to tell all these guys who can't keep their women interested in sex.

They should stop masturbating to porn. That works.
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(10-28-2019 12:31 PM)wwtl Wrote:  They should stop masturbating to porn. That works.

Then what should they masturbate to?
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(10-28-2019 12:43 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 12:31 PM)wwtl Wrote:  They should stop masturbating to porn. That works.

Then what should they masturbate to?

They should stop masturbating.

On another note, I am in a similar thought process with a girl. The metaphor of a house got me thinking. Do you buy a house that is a great deal that you are currently living in and enjoying, or do you live in your basement apartment (alone) and wait and wait for a dream house.

My brother used to say its about settling, there is some truth to it. Nobody today wants to 'settle', but everyone today is also verifiably retarded. Society tells you never settle, so it must be bullshit right!?

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(10-28-2019 12:43 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 12:31 PM)wwtl Wrote:  They should stop masturbating to porn. That works.

Then what should they masturbate to?

Their wife. The real one made of flesh and blood, not to pictures and flicks.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
Women after pregnancy can change a lot. Having secret side girls can give her the chance to recover mentally and physically . Women respect a man who can get laid a lot more than a cucked beta paying her attention all the time. It doesnt make the husband a bad person .he just wants his needs satisfied tbf. Divorce always seems to be the solution in the west
Offcource if the wife has a high sex drive wich is rare then theres no need for side girls.
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(10-28-2019 01:54 PM)wwtl Wrote:  Their wife. The real one made of flesh and blood, not to pictures and flicks.

Masturbate to our wives? Things have changed around here perhaps more than I thought.
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(10-28-2019 03:17 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 01:54 PM)wwtl Wrote:  Their wife. The real one made of flesh and blood, not to pictures and flicks.

Masturbate to our wives? Things have changed around here perhaps more than I thought.

Weren't we just talking about sex within marriage? So masturbating to porn is clearly defined as adultery in the Bible. While masturbating to/with your physical wife is completely Biblical.

Oh, outside the Bible there is no actual marriage. You know that, right? Some state likes to call something "gay marriage", but that is no marriage by definition. And the definition stems from the Creator Himself and is documented in His Word.

Also I'm just someone adhering to the new forum rules, as I joined when these were already in effect, and I'm not subscribing to the Clown World.
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"Weren't we just talking about sex within marriage? So masturbating to porn is clearly defined as adultery in the Bible."

While not claiming in any way to speak for God, I disagree with this. Sure, Jesus says that to lust after a woman is to commit adultery with her in your heart, but I find it hard to believe that He meant that it's the same as actual adultery where you're really having sex with someone who isn't your wife. How bad is committing adultery in your heart? It's at least not ideal, maybe very bad, but is it as bad as actually physically committing adultery? I seriously doubt it.

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(10-28-2019 06:06 PM)bucky Wrote:  "Weren't we just talking about sex within marriage? So masturbating to porn is clearly defined as adultery in the Bible."

While not claiming in any way to speak for God, I disagree with this. Sure, Jesus says that to lust after a woman is to commit adultery with her in your heart, but I find it hard to believe that He meant that it's the same as actual adultery where you're really having sex with someone who isn't your wife.

Adultery in the heart is still sin against the wife (and God), which is what matters. She exclusively owns the body of her husband while he owns hers (1 Corin 7:4).
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The problem, as anyone who's been in an LTR or marriage knows, is that a woman's attraction is inversely proportional to how much you need her. She will fight like hell to get the upper hand on you, then lose attraction the moment she does.

If you are at a point that you are masturbating while thinking about her, and you're not lusting after other women or even looking at porn ... then best of luck to you. You're going to need it.
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(10-28-2019 06:42 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  The problem, as anyone who's been in an LTR or marriage knows, is that a woman's attraction is inversely proportional to how much you need her. She will fight like hell to get the upper hand on you, then lose attraction the moment she does.

If you are in marriage primarily based on sexual attraction, you have much bigger problems at hand. These usually boil down to having fornicated with the spouse beforehand and made decisions based on that.

"LTRs" don't exist. These last two years and nine months on average and this is not really "long term".
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(10-28-2019 06:58 PM)wwtl Wrote:  If you are in marriage primarily based on sexual attraction, you have much bigger problems at hand. These usually boil down to having fornicated with the spouse beforehand and made decisions based on that.

"LTRs" don't exist. These last two years and nine months on average and this is not really "long term".

You go try being married to a woman who has lost sexual attraction for you, and let me know how that works out.
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(10-28-2019 07:16 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 06:58 PM)wwtl Wrote:  If you are in marriage primarily based on sexual attraction, you have much bigger problems at hand. These usually boil down to having fornicated with the spouse beforehand and made decisions based on that.

"LTRs" don't exist. These last two years and nine months on average and this is not really "long term".

You go try being married to a woman who has lost sexual attraction for you, and let me know how that works out.

There's a happy medium somewhere between how much you lust after other women vs. how needy and beta you are and thereby end up killing her attraction for you. I have no idea where it is, but this is one reason that I'd never advise anyone to marry a godless woman who doesn't believe there's anything particularly sacred about marriage.

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(10-28-2019 10:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 07:16 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 06:58 PM)wwtl Wrote:  If you are in marriage primarily based on sexual attraction, you have much bigger problems at hand. These usually boil down to having fornicated with the spouse beforehand and made decisions based on that.

"LTRs" don't exist. These last two years and nine months on average and this is not really "long term".

You go try being married to a woman who has lost sexual attraction for you, and let me know how that works out.

There's a happy medium somewhere between how much you lust after other women vs. how needy and beta you are and thereby end up killing her attraction for you. I have no idea where it is, but this is one reason that I'd never advise anyone to marry a godless woman who doesn't believe there's anything particularly sacred about marriage.

Pre-martial Christian life is about denying yourself and your spouse until the wedding. This sets the frame for the whole marriage. If you enter marriage as a man who needs sex, you set yourself up for living hell followed by divorce.

So removing sex from the equation means you're going to marry for different, more solid reasons. That doesn't mean that you get into a sexless marriage. Quite the opposite, not needing it as a man alone is enough to get and keep women attracted. It's how they are designed by the Creator.

If you give a fuck about sex, you are going to lose it. If you don't, you are going get all the sex you could ever want.
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(10-29-2019 04:38 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 10:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
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(10-28-2019 06:58 PM)wwtl Wrote:  If you are in marriage primarily based on sexual attraction, you have much bigger problems at hand. These usually boil down to having fornicated with the spouse beforehand and made decisions based on that.

"LTRs" don't exist. These last two years and nine months on average and this is not really "long term".

You go try being married to a woman who has lost sexual attraction for you, and let me know how that works out.

There's a happy medium somewhere between how much you lust after other women vs. how needy and beta you are and thereby end up killing her attraction for you. I have no idea where it is, but this is one reason that I'd never advise anyone to marry a godless woman who doesn't believe there's anything particularly sacred about marriage.

Pre-martial Christian life is about denying yourself and your spouse until the wedding. This sets the frame for the whole marriage. If you enter marriage as a man who needs sex, you set yourself up for living hell followed by divorce.

So removing sex from the equation means you're going to marry for different, more solid reasons. That doesn't mean that you get into a sexless marriage. Quite the opposite, not needing it as a man alone is enough to get and keep women attracted. It's how they are designed by the Creator.

If you give a fuck about sex, you are going to lose it. If you don't, you are going get all the sex you could ever want.

Just to confirm, you are advocating for men, in 2019, to find a woman, establish a sexless relationship, date her for multiple years without having sex, get engaged, marry this woman and then have sex with her for the first time ?

Have you attempted to apply this theory IRL? Could you let us know how that's working for you ?
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(10-29-2019 07:29 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 04:38 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 10:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 07:16 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 06:58 PM)wwtl Wrote:  If you are in marriage primarily based on sexual attraction, you have much bigger problems at hand. These usually boil down to having fornicated with the spouse beforehand and made decisions based on that.

"LTRs" don't exist. These last two years and nine months on average and this is not really "long term".

You go try being married to a woman who has lost sexual attraction for you, and let me know how that works out.

There's a happy medium somewhere between how much you lust after other women vs. how needy and beta you are and thereby end up killing her attraction for you. I have no idea where it is, but this is one reason that I'd never advise anyone to marry a godless woman who doesn't believe there's anything particularly sacred about marriage.

Pre-martial Christian life is about denying yourself and your spouse until the wedding. This sets the frame for the whole marriage. If you enter marriage as a man who needs sex, you set yourself up for living hell followed by divorce.

So removing sex from the equation means you're going to marry for different, more solid reasons. That doesn't mean that you get into a sexless marriage. Quite the opposite, not needing it as a man alone is enough to get and keep women attracted. It's how they are designed by the Creator.

If you give a fuck about sex, you are going to lose it. If you don't, you are going get all the sex you could ever want.

Just to confirm, you are advocating for men, in 2019, to find a woman, establish a sexless relationship, date her for multiple years without having sex, get engaged, marry this woman and then have sex with her for the first time ?

Have you attempted to apply this theory IRL? Could you let us know how that's working for you ?

As a Spirit-filled Christian I cannot fornicate without losing my living relationship with God and opening the door for Satan. So I'm inevitably going to field-test this, because it's the only way to have a family at some point and live in the Lord's will at the same time. The other option would be lifelong celibacy and devoting oneself to God exclusively.

I know there was a thread about pre-martial sex and the Bible just coming out of the closet before Roosh killed it, but the Lord made Himself pretty clear to me during the last week, when I attended a multi-day Christian conference with over 700 men and 0 women.

He does not without reason, as I already have multiple options show up this year due to the fact that I entirely removed the need for sex from my current life and transmuted it into my musical gift. A man without need makes girls of all ages go crazy...

I know, I'm going to be called a nutcase again, but this is what to expect for being a "practicing Christian".
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
Maybe time to change rooshv forum into catholic forum instead. I respect your views but i do not agree with them.this is not a jehova witness forum. Premarital sex is not a sin imo.i do not share your views at all.
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(10-29-2019 08:37 AM)zamfir112 Wrote:  Maybe time to change rooshv forum into catholic forum instead. I respect your views but i do not agree with them.this is not a jehova witness forum.

You might want to have a look at the forum rules and what they state about pre-martial sex. It's right at the top in rule number 1.

zamfir112 Wrote:Premarital sex is not a sin imo.i do not share your views at all.

You wrote this:

(10-26-2019 05:48 PM)zamfir112 Wrote:  Get married but bang side sluts once in a while to keep your sexual lust happy specially when she is older.. there is no perfect relationship and love is only a temporary feeling . The key is do you both have the same plans in life.if yes then no problems at all.

This is completely opposite to Christian values. Not even lukewarm Christians practice this.
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(10-29-2019 07:29 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 04:38 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 10:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 07:16 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 06:58 PM)wwtl Wrote:  If you are in marriage primarily based on sexual attraction, you have much bigger problems at hand. These usually boil down to having fornicated with the spouse beforehand and made decisions based on that.

"LTRs" don't exist. These last two years and nine months on average and this is not really "long term".

You go try being married to a woman who has lost sexual attraction for you, and let me know how that works out.

There's a happy medium somewhere between how much you lust after other women vs. how needy and beta you are and thereby end up killing her attraction for you. I have no idea where it is, but this is one reason that I'd never advise anyone to marry a godless woman who doesn't believe there's anything particularly sacred about marriage.

Pre-martial Christian life is about denying yourself and your spouse until the wedding. This sets the frame for the whole marriage. If you enter marriage as a man who needs sex, you set yourself up for living hell followed by divorce.

So removing sex from the equation means you're going to marry for different, more solid reasons. That doesn't mean that you get into a sexless marriage. Quite the opposite, not needing it as a man alone is enough to get and keep women attracted. It's how they are designed by the Creator.

If you give a fuck about sex, you are going to lose it. If you don't, you are going get all the sex you could ever want.

Just to confirm, you are advocating for men, in 2019, to find a woman, establish a sexless relationship, date her for multiple years without having sex, get engaged, marry this woman and then have sex with her for the first time ?

Have you attempted to apply this theory IRL? Could you let us know how that's working for you ?

(10-29-2019 08:37 AM)zamfir112 Wrote:  Maybe time to change rooshv forum into catholic forum instead. I respect your views but i do not agree with them.this is not a jehova witness forum. Premarital sex is not a sin imo.i do not share your views at all.


Where have you two been the past few months? Did you two not notice the rule changes Roosh implemented this past Summer? Have you not been keeping up with Roosh and his journey to God? Heck, there were even mainstream articles on it...
10-29-2019 09:20 AM
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-29-2019 09:20 AM)Augustus_Principe Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 07:29 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  
(10-29-2019 04:38 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 10:16 PM)bucky Wrote:  
(10-28-2019 07:16 PM)WombRaider Wrote:  You go try being married to a woman who has lost sexual attraction for you, and let me know how that works out.

There's a happy medium somewhere between how much you lust after other women vs. how needy and beta you are and thereby end up killing her attraction for you. I have no idea where it is, but this is one reason that I'd never advise anyone to marry a godless woman who doesn't believe there's anything particularly sacred about marriage.

Pre-martial Christian life is about denying yourself and your spouse until the wedding. This sets the frame for the whole marriage. If you enter marriage as a man who needs sex, you set yourself up for living hell followed by divorce.

So removing sex from the equation means you're going to marry for different, more solid reasons. That doesn't mean that you get into a sexless marriage. Quite the opposite, not needing it as a man alone is enough to get and keep women attracted. It's how they are designed by the Creator.

If you give a fuck about sex, you are going to lose it. If you don't, you are going get all the sex you could ever want.

Just to confirm, you are advocating for men, in 2019, to find a woman, establish a sexless relationship, date her for multiple years without having sex, get engaged, marry this woman and then have sex with her for the first time ?

Have you attempted to apply this theory IRL? Could you let us know how that's working for you ?

(10-29-2019 08:37 AM)zamfir112 Wrote:  Maybe time to change rooshv forum into catholic forum instead. I respect your views but i do not agree with them.this is not a jehova witness forum. Premarital sex is not a sin imo.i do not share your views at all.


Where have you two been the past few months? Did you two not notice the rule changes Roosh implemented this past Summer? Have you not been keeping up with Roosh and his journey to God? Heck, there were even mainstream articles on it...

It's interesting to see how the regular Christian lifestyle, which is still established in 90+ % Christian countries like Poland is now considered outrageous in the West.

At the same you see all the complaints about the Clown World, but people choose to not connect the dots.
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