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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
With all due respect, I didn't attack your faith or call you crazy at all.

I simply asked a question about the lifestyle theory you are propagating. Genuinely curious to know more about it from someone actually applying it.

I simply asked if you are in a long term, sexless relationship with a women with the view of marrying her and if you are, how is that going ?

I just got out of a relationship so I'm soaking up game from everywhere right now, maybe there's something to this abstinence lifestyle I'm missing.

Your response pretty much amounted to

"Erm No I'm not, right now I'm just focused on my music and stuff. I haven't tried it but I am defo going to in the future, I'll let you know how it goes whenever that is."

Which is all I needed to know really.
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(10-29-2019 11:15 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  With all due respect, I didn't attack your faith or call you crazy at all.

I simply asked a question about the lifestyle theory you are propagating. Genuinely curious to know more about it from someone actually applying it.

I simply asked if you are in a long term, sexless relationship with a women with the view of marrying her and if you are, how is that going ?

I just got out of a relationship so I'm soaking up game from everywhere right now, maybe there's something to this abstinence lifestyle I'm missing.

Your response pretty much amounted to

"Erm No I'm not, right now I'm just focused on my music and stuff. I haven't tried it but I am defo going to in the future, I'll let you know how it goes whenever that is."

Which is all I needed to know really.

I understand your confusion. So let me clear that up.

First I'm abstinent since April this year. That means no fornication, no porn, no masturbation. Ironically this opened options, because for some reason, women are mad for abstinent men. But I don't care much about that, the other benefits of abstinence are tremendous, so I don't plan to give it up anytime soon.

Currently I have a new woman approach me every new season, trying the hardest to escalate to sex. So it's not just theory, resisting temptation is something I actively have to deal with.

As a Christian I want to have a family and dealing with women inside a relationship is the sacrifice I have to make for it. This is my frame and it is the most powerful one I ever had. To get this out of the way as well: I very much enjoy women and their company, but I know that sharing everyday life with them is work.

Women are used to control men with access to sex. This obviously doesn't work on me. So any kind of relationship they might want for some reason happens on my terms. And those terms are God's terms.

At some point I might upgrade one of my orbiters to get closer to my goal, but that won't change much about my lifestyle. I could have had started spinning plates half a year ago, if I were into fornication, but I chose to do not.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-29-2019 11:15 AM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  With all due respect, I didn't attack your faith or call you crazy at all.

I simply asked a question about the lifestyle theory you are propagating. Genuinely curious to know more about it from someone actually applying it.

I simply asked if you are in a long term, sexless relationship with a women with the view of marrying her and if you are, how is that going ?

I just got out of a relationship so I'm soaking up game from everywhere right now, maybe there's something to this abstinence lifestyle I'm missing.

Your response pretty much amounted to

"Erm No I'm not, right now I'm just focused on my music and stuff. I haven't tried it but I am defo going to in the future, I'll let you know how it goes whenever that is."

Which is all I needed to know really.

Sensei, if you're interested in seeing a young devout Christian who has game practice the abstinence lifestyle about as well as possible, you should check out Nick Fuentes on YouTube. His show, America First, is interesting and entertaining for any other reasons too.

You probably want to do it soon though, because he'll most likely be kicked off YouTube within the next year or so.

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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
wwtl how many long term relationships have you been in? And how long did they last for?

Based on your posts here you appear to be a 39 year old man with no kids, no girlfriend, and no wife. Most religious men are married with kids by their mid 20s. Even most non-religious, atheists are married with kids by 35. If you've managed to reach your 40s without settling down you must be doing something very wrong, given its what you say every man should do. Which makes your relationship advice to others very questionable: you're both not practicing what you preach, and not speaking from a place of first hand experience.

The Chinese have a phrase for unmarried women over 30, "Sheng nu" - left on the shelf women. The thinking is that if nobody has married them by that age then there must be something seriously wrong with them. They're faulty goods left on the supermarket shelf, that nobody wants. The same thing very much applies to men at some stage too, possibly not at 30 - but definitely by 40.
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(10-30-2019 07:03 PM)zatara Wrote:  wwtl how many long term relationships have you been in? And how long did they last for?

Based on your posts here you appear to be a 39 year old man with no kids, no girlfriend, and no wife. Most religious men are married with kids by their mid 20s. Even most non-religious, atheists are married with kids by 35. If you've managed to reach your 40s without settling down you must be doing something very wrong, given its what you say every man should do. Which makes your relationship advice to others very questionable: you're both not practicing what you preach, and not speaking from a place of first hand experience.

The Chinese have a phrase for unmarried women over 30, "Sheng nu" - left on the shelf women. The thinking is that if nobody has married them by that age then there must be something seriously wrong with them. They're faulty goods left on the supermarket shelf, that nobody wants. The same thing very much applies to men at some stage too, possibly not at 30 - but definitely by 40.

Hey now...I got married in my late 40s. Then again I am kind of damaged goods. It all worked out for me anyway, praise the Lord. The advice I got on this forum and from the writings of Roosh himself helped a lot too.

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At the beginning of a relationship you are filled with lust and unable to see your partners flaws. Your girl is a paid actress. Women make a strong effort at the beginning of a relationship and then coast once they think you are hooked.

As soon as the ink dries on the marriage certificate you will see changes. The sex will decrease, her demands will increase, and her effort will decrease. She will respect you less as she knows you are trapped and can't leave. Since you can't have sex with other women, it will now be used as a tool to control you.

Anyone getting married in western society is crazy. The legal system treats men like cash cows. My friend got divorced and the first the judge asked for was his pay stubs. No formalities or good morning, just handover your paystubs slave.
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(10-30-2019 07:03 PM)zatara Wrote:  wwtl how many long term relationships have you been in? And how long did they last for?

Based on your posts here you appear to be a 39 year old man with no kids, no girlfriend, and no wife. Most religious men are married with kids by their mid 20s. Even most non-religious, atheists are married with kids by 35. If you've managed to reach your 40s without settling down you must be doing something very wrong, given its what you say every man should do. Which makes your relationship advice to others very questionable: you're both not practicing what you preach, and not speaking from a place of first hand experience.

The Chinese have a phrase for unmarried women over 30, "Sheng nu" - left on the shelf women. The thinking is that if nobody has married them by that age then there must be something seriously wrong with them. They're faulty goods left on the supermarket shelf, that nobody wants. The same thing very much applies to men at some stage too, possibly not at 30 - but definitely by 40.

Another personal attack. Let me first point towards the new forum in effect tomorrow: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74334...34014.html I'm not a paid marriage counselor and I join forums to express opinions, not to give advice. Even if they sound like it due to brevity. My opinions are naturally in line with my faith and my current state of knowledge.

Now let me address a few points:

First: You are proposing that atheist heathens are essentially behaving like religious people. Me having a White European non-religious upper middle-class social background I can confirm this as false.

One of my worries when I turned 30 was what happens when I get invited to a wedding or how I deal with future nephews and nieces or other children turning up in my circle. You know the memes, right?

Now eight years later looking at my same-aged and up to a decade older peers, I can determine: There were no weddings. I didn't see a single pregnant woman. Nobody reproduces. The entire circle, my friends, relatives, their friends, friends of friends, colleagues*) etc. live the urban DINK lifestyle of "serial monogamy" in unstable relationships breaking apart on average after 3 years. There are zero (secular) marriages and zero kids. All married couples still around are far beyond reproductive age.

The only thing I did wrong in their eyes was dropping out of chasing Apple products to watch others fail instead of going through the chores myself.

I like how your post also touches the "no girlfriend" topic, because this is indeed a big thing in atheist circles. I learned game much earlier in life and stopped putting pussy onto a pedestal. Every relationship I watch in my circle is a woman controlling her beta man with sex. But for heathen me there was not a single reason to commit - while I got my fair share of fornication I didn't need to submit to a 5/10 single woman to have a trophy to show around while losing frame at the same time. At some point later, still long before my conversion, I had a moment of clarity and became a secular monk, the path which lead me to Christ.

Now as a Christian I'm still single, obviously not fornicating, no concubines, no mistresses, no spinning plates. And none of my Christian fellows judge me for that like you do.

When I joined my parish the first thought I had was "Wow, there seem to be on some kind of reproductive frenzy here!" Now that I'm around longer, I can tell: No, it's just completely normal for the 3 % of practicing Christians to marry and have children. These occurrences are part of Christian everyday life. And they are distinctively different from what I lived before.

So if God by some miracle turns me into a family man like that convert in the footnote. I'm going to be the complete outlier where I come from. And I guess that is why the Lord converts people: to make a statement.

*) The boss of a relative has a family. He is a Christian convert like me and guess where I met him.
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(10-30-2019 11:41 PM)bucky Wrote:  Hey now...I got married in my late 40s. Then again I am kind of damaged goods. It all worked out for me anyway, praise the Lord. The advice I got on this forum and from the writings of Roosh himself helped a lot too.

Congratulations for catching the train right before the wall.

There is a certain point in a men's life around peak SMV when the bachelor lifestyle reaches peak fun before tailing off into the wall. It's similar to women, just that for them it happens much earlier age-wise. For men this is not in their 20s and early 30s.

The grave mistake to make is to believe that this life phase, which only few men not under control of pussy actually reach, is going to be a never-ending joyride. My roller coaster just picked up speed this year and is still on an incline. I realize this and I fully intend to close the deal at the peak using the full leverage and not years later right before the wall when I became a balding bloke running out of options.

That means making a full sacrifice to God right at the best moment of your life as a free and independent man, doing whatever he wants. The same thing we expect from women to do right at their peak fertility (and not ten years later when they run out of options).

(10-31-2019 12:23 AM)dopexile Wrote:  At the beginning of a relationship you are filled with lust and unable to see your partners flaws. Your girl is a paid actress. Women make a strong effort at the beginning of a relationship and then coast once they think you are hooked.

I can see this forum moving further so much, that the opinion of a habitual fornicator doesn't matter anymore, because his mind is clouded by lust.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-31-2019 03:54 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 07:03 PM)zatara Wrote:  wwtl how many long term relationships have you been in? And how long did they last for?

Based on your posts here you appear to be a 39 year old man with no kids, no girlfriend, and no wife. Most religious men are married with kids by their mid 20s. Even most non-religious, atheists are married with kids by 35. If you've managed to reach your 40s without settling down you must be doing something very wrong, given its what you say every man should do. Which makes your relationship advice to others very questionable: you're both not practicing what you preach, and not speaking from a place of first hand experience.

The Chinese have a phrase for unmarried women over 30, "Sheng nu" - left on the shelf women. The thinking is that if nobody has married them by that age then there must be something seriously wrong with them. They're faulty goods left on the supermarket shelf, that nobody wants. The same thing very much applies to men at some stage too, possibly not at 30 - but definitely by 40.

Another personal attack. Let me first point towards the new forum in effect tomorrow: https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74334...34014.html I'm not a paid marriage counselor and I join forums to express opinions, not to give advice. Even if they sound like it due to brevity. My opinions are naturally in line with my faith and my current state of knowledge.

Now let me address a few points:

First: You are proposing that atheist heathens are essentially behaving like religious people. Me having a White European non-religious upper middle-class social background I can confirm this as false.

One of my worries when I turned 30 was what happens when I get invited to a wedding or how I deal with future nephews and nieces or other children turning up in my circle. You know the memes, right?

Now eight years later looking at my same-aged and up to a decade older peers, I can determine: There were no weddings. I didn't see a single pregnant woman. Nobody reproduces. The entire circle, my friends, relatives, their friends, friends of friends, colleagues*) etc. live the urban DINK lifestyle of "serial monogamy" in unstable relationships breaking apart on average after 3 years. There are zero (secular) marriages and zero kids. All married couples still around are far beyond reproductive age.

The only thing I did wrong in their eyes was dropping out of chasing Apple products to watch others fail instead of going through the chores myself.

I like how your post also touches the "no girlfriend" topic, because this is indeed a big thing in atheist circles. I learned game much earlier in life and stopped putting pussy onto a pedestal. Every relationship I watch in my circle is a woman controlling her beta man with sex. But for heathen me there was not a single reason to commit - while I got my fair share of fornication I didn't need to submit to a 5/10 single woman to have a trophy to show around while losing frame at the same time. At some point later, still long before my conversion, I had a moment of clarity and became a secular monk, the path which lead me to Christ.

Now as a Christian I'm still single, obviously not fornicating, no concubines, no mistresses, no spinning plates. And none of my Christian fellows judge me for that like you do.

When I joined my parish the first thought I had was "Wow, there seem to be on some kind of reproductive frenzy here!" Now that I'm around longer, I can tell: No, it's just completely normal for the 3 % of practicing Christians to marry and have children. These occurrences are part of Christian everyday life. And they are distinctively different from what I lived before.

So if God by some miracle turns me into a family man like that convert in the footnote. I'm going to be the complete outlier where I come from. And I guess that is why the Lord converts people: to make a statement.

*) The boss of a relative has a family. He is a Christian convert like me and guess where I met him.

You wrote an 11 paragraph response that didn't answer the one question asked of you: "wwtl how many long term relationships have you been in? And how long did they last for?" I take it that means 0?

This is why I'm questioning your giving relationship advice. Traditionally on this forum people get banned for pretending to have experience of things they have no first hand knowledge of, and giving bad advice based on that. If you've never been in a long term relationship, and never been married, then you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to relationships. You shouldn't be giving advice to others on something you've failed to achieve yourself.

If nobody you know got married or had kids in their 30s then you have an extremely odd social circle. In every European country (based on your flag), statistically, the vast majority of people are still getting married and having kids before 35.

Trust me, any Christian who sees a 39 year old unmarried man is definitely judging you - they're just too polite to say it to your face. Throughout human history in any culture a 39 year old unmarried, childless, man would be looked upon as dangerously odd. Thats far, far too old to still be single and not have serious issues.
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(10-31-2019 06:15 AM)zatara Wrote:  You wrote an 11 paragraph response that didn't answer the one question asked of you: "wwtl how many long term relationships have you been in? And how long did they last for?" I take it that means 0?

This is why I'm questioning your giving relationship advice. Traditionally on this forum people get banned for pretending to have experience of things they have no first hand knowledge of, and giving bad advice based on that. If you've never been in a long term relationship, and never been married, then you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to relationships. You shouldn't be giving advice to others on something you've failed to achieve yourself.

If nobody you know got married or had kids in their 30s then you have an extremely odd social circle. In every European country (based on your flag), statistically, the vast majority of people are still getting married and having kids before 35.

Trust me, any Christian who sees a 39 year old unmarried man is definitely judging you - they're just too polite to say it to your face. Throughout human history in any culture a 39 year old unmarried, childless, man would be looked upon as dangerously odd. Thats far, far too old to still be single and not have serious issues.

Your post is full of atheist judgement without responding to a single point I made.

You're essentially accusing me of having "failed to achieve" fornication (which I wish was true), and therefore I cannot express opinions on relationships, while having insights on both successful long-term Christian marriages (the longest lasting 70 years now) and atheist "relationships", with none of the latter being long term.

No, three years isn't long term, 30 years is! And that should answer the question of "How many?" - If you have to ask "How many?", how can that be long term at the same time? Yes, that's right. Atheists fail to prove that those so-called "long term relationships" even exist!

You're talking about some "forum tradition", while having failed to realize, that the forum rules have changed and I signed up here afterwards.

Then you make the even more ridiculous statement that in every European country people getting married with children before 35 while at the same time native European birth rates approach zero. That "extremely odd social circle" you obviously don't know of is called White urban upper middle-class.

And in the end you accuse Christians of being judging, while God doesn't call everyone to have a family. Christians know that. Atheists call them "dangerous".
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I'm accusing you of having no real life experience, which you've now admitted, and of being a keyboard warrior offering bad relationship advice - because you've clearly never been in one. Its nothing to do with fornication. You're just not in a position to offer relationship advice to other men, when you have no direct experience of it yourself.

Faith is not a defense for failure. Good Christian men who're not failures at life are happily married with kids long, long before 39.

Would you take advice on driving from a man who had never driven a car, but who had read about it on the internet? Or cooking advice from someone who had never cooked a meal, but who had read a wikipedia article? No, because either's views are theoretical nonsense.

The forum direction has become Christian, but it, as far as I'm aware, it is still fact based. Bad Christian relationship advice is still bad advice that needs to be called out.
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(10-31-2019 09:10 AM)zatara Wrote:  I'm accusing you of having no real life experience, which you've now admitted, and of being a keyboard warrior offering bad relationship advice - because you've clearly never been in one. Its nothing to do with fornication. You're just not in a position to offer relationship advice to other men, when you have no direct experience of it yourself.

You are completely lost now and chose to continue to spread lies about me to make yourself feel better about your sins. Please repent.
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Wow!!!
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(10-31-2019 09:10 AM)zatara Wrote:  I'm accusing you of having no real life experience, which you've now admitted, and of being a keyboard warrior offering bad relationship advice - because you've clearly never been in one. Its nothing to do with fornication. You're just not in a position to offer relationship advice to other men, when you have no direct experience of it yourself.

Faith is not a defense for failure. Good Christian men who're not failures at life are happily married with kids long, long before 39.

Would you take advice on driving from a man who had never driven a car, but who had read about it on the internet? Or cooking advice from someone who had never cooked a meal, but who had read a wikipedia article? No, because either's views are theoretical nonsense.

The forum direction has become Christian, but it, as far as I'm aware, it is still fact based. Bad Christian relationship advice is still bad advice that needs to be called out.

You should tone it down a little bit, Chief. As the forum has taken a new direction, we are all striving towards a new, Christian way of living our lives, in relation to courtship in this case.

Seeing how the vast majority of users here were either atheist or non-practicing Christians up until this year with the changes Roosh has implemented(some perhaps still continuing their ride to hell with atheism), I dont see the issue with users giving advice on how to act christian when it comes to courtship, as we are all for the most part new to this sort of lifestyle.

You asking "How many Sl*ts of you been with?????!!!!" "How many relationships have you been in!!!???" Is a moot point, because this forum is no longer about notch counts, or how many dead-end relationships a man has been in. That is no the longer the metric we use to measure a man's worth around these parts, chief

Be easy on those who are older and not yet married. The Culture chewed and spit us out all at some point, no one was saved. God knows none of you on this forum (especially the veterans) were saved from the degenerate lifestyle. Again, we are all learning and striving towards the Good and to follow the will of God.
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Zatara is a bit harsh on him but he has a point.

You shouldn't be taking advice from someone who isn't walking his on own talk. It's like the blind leading the blind.

This isn't only about game, but life in general.
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Placing all the religious rhetoric to the side for a moment.

Fundamentally, wwtl has, in his short time here, been quite active on the forum.

However when questioned about his experience with the topics at hand. More often then not, he admits himself that he has none.

Take his earlier posts in the thread as an example.

He encourages men to enter sexless relationships and then admits himself that he has never been in one.

Zatara has rightly stated that in the past, feighning knowledge of a subject would result in a ban.

Wwtl, Cloaking yourself in faith and Christianity should not distract from the fact that you are not qualified to give advice on these subjects as you lack the required first hand experience.

The new rules against blasphemy have nothing to do with your lack of first hand experience.

RVF was never about progagating abstract theories.

Datasheets and putting in the actual groundwork were always the valued items here.
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(10-31-2019 04:19 PM)Sensei Creation Wrote:  Wwtl, Cloaking yourself in faith and Christianity should not distract from the fact that you are not qualified to give advice on these subjects as you lack the required first hand experience.

The new rules against blasphemy have nothing to do with your lack of first hand experience.

That's just one bloke spreading rumors (and sinning by violating the ninth commandment) and you now repeating his false statements in your post, because you liked those. That's how Evil does character assassination. You know nothing about me, not even my correct age.

But you're both forgiven.

While I don't really care about what atheists think about spiritual purity, this kinda overboard reaction shows that the devil really hates me talking about that - so I hit the mark. And that is what spiritual warfare is about.

Nevertheless, I bet these fornicator topics in disguise will be entirely gone from the forum next year, so who cares about those rearguard battles...
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
If the girl doesn't have many red flags(younger than 35 with low ncount, etc.) and if you find her attractive enough to spend the next 4 or 5 decades with her...then go for it. Having kids and a family is honestly the only thing worth living for.

But if you're doing it only because you felt some sort of social pressure or loneliness...then don't do it, as there is a high chance she will make you life miserable in the future.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-28-2019 05:30 AM)wwtl Wrote:  I'm still strongly suspecting that most of those martial sex problems find their cause in pre-martial fornication or cohabitation.

It's marital, buddy.

Martial is something else, means warlike. Doubt you're the upper class you pretend to be.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(10-31-2019 10:27 AM)wwtl Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 09:10 AM)zatara Wrote:  I'm accusing you of having no real life experience, which you've now admitted, and of being a keyboard warrior offering bad relationship advice - because you've clearly never been in one. Its nothing to do with fornication. You're just not in a position to offer relationship advice to other men, when you have no direct experience of it yourself.

You are completely lost now and chose to continue to spread lies about me to make yourself feel better about your sins. Please repent.
Yikes! It this is where we're headed then the forum's days are numbered. Is this what you really want Roosh? All I can say is if wwtl is for real, and anybody can be anything on the internet, then yes he should ask for advice not give it. Taking a holier than thou stance does not mean that you are holier than thou. If you are real then you appear at least to me to be completely lost.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(11-01-2019 09:50 AM)Scorpio Rising Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 10:27 AM)wwtl Wrote:  You are completely lost now and chose to continue to spread lies about me to make yourself feel better about your sins. Please repent.
Yikes! It this is where we're headed then the forum's days are numbered. Is this what you really want Roosh?

Another one who didn't get the memo?

(10-30-2019 05:47 PM)Roosh Wrote:  This is a needed step for the forum to transition from a PUA/hedonist community to a men's Christian community. This rule should make it clear to all that RVF is no longer a place to learn about dating or meeting girls.

(10-31-2019 09:57 AM)Roosh Wrote:  I don't know how to make clear over the past few months that atheist fornicators are not welcome here, and should lurk instead, because your beliefs may change in the future to the point where you want to participate. But if you get banned, it's permanent.

I hope that clears things up for you.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
Getting married in the western world is about the craziest thing you can do as a man. The family court system is stacked against you.

We buy insurance to protect us from the risk of car accidents. What is the probability you will be in a car accident today? Perhaps 0.01%?

What is the risk of divorce? Around 50% and it leads to complete financial ruin, losing 50% of your wealth, alimony, child support, massive legal bills, etc effectively making you a slave. Thus a rational individual would buy divorce insurance to protect them from that extreme risk. I would guess a divorce insurance policy would cost around $250,000 to $500,000 so I that should give you an idea of the extreme risk you are taking on.

The point is that a rational person would not get married in this culture and submit themselves to the legal system.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(11-01-2019 10:32 AM)dopexile Wrote:  Getting married in the western world is about the craziest thing you can do as a man. The family court system is stacked against you.

We buy insurance to protect us from the risk of car accidents. What is the probability you will be in a car accident today? Perhaps 0.01%?

What is the risk of divorce? Around 50% and it leads to complete financial ruin, losing 50% of your wealth, alimony, child support, massive legal bills, etc effectively making you a slave. Thus a rational individual would buy divorce insurance to protect them from that extreme risk. I would guess a divorce insurance policy would cost around $250,000 to $500,000 so I that should give you an idea of the extreme risk you are taking on.

The point is that a rational person would not get married in this culture and submit themselves to the legal system.

The only thing that matters if you have God in your marriage or the devil. If you do not have God in your marriage, you automatically marry the devil, his satanic family courts and everything else which comes with it.

If God is with you in your marriage is decided by who you are and how you life (godly or sinful) before marriage.
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(11-01-2019 10:49 AM)wwtl Wrote:  The only thing that matters if you have God in your marriage or the devil. If you do not have God in your marriage, you automatically marry the devil, his satanic family courts and everything else which comes with it.

If God is with you in your marriage is decided by who you are and how you life (godly or sinful) before marriage.

OK, well if you want to make it a religious then apparently about 50% of marriages have a devil in the relationship. Idea
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RE: Should I get married even though not deeply in love?
(11-01-2019 11:58 AM)dopexile Wrote:  
(11-01-2019 10:49 AM)wwtl Wrote:  The only thing that matters if you have God in your marriage or the devil. If you do not have God in your marriage, you automatically marry the devil, his satanic family courts and everything else which comes with it.

If God is with you in your marriage is decided by who you are and how you life (godly or sinful) before marriage.

OK, well if you want to make it a religious then apparently about 50% of marriages have a devil in the relationship. Idea

About 97 % marry the devil. It's just that your often quoted 50 % boomer divorce rate is calculated for only ten years.

Still younger people have less divorces, as most atheists don't marry anymore.
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