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RE: At 40 y/o aiming for big changes, carnivore diet here I come
(11-13-2019 01:15 PM)whitewashedblackguy Wrote:  
(11-12-2019 09:01 PM)jcardial Wrote:  
(10-30-2019 05:26 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  We pretty much evolved on a predominantly meat based diet. Going almost 100% meat is normal. The Masai, the Eskimos did so until recently and did it for millennia. There are no vegan tribes in contrast.

The current vegan caloric intake of the Standard American diet is 75-85% plant-based up from 50-60% in the 1940s. Especially the switching of animal fats to seed oils was a disaster. Carbs are hardly necessary for survival. The only thing we know carbs help is build fat, increase cancer rates and also help build muscle when you want to look like a bodybuilder or strongman. Then carbs are necessary. For anyone else - you only have to get meats and fish with a high omega3 to omega6 ratio.

Hilarious that people forget that humans and their ancestors survived for hundreds of thousands of years on a 65-95% meat/fish-based diet with only the last thousands of years producing domesticated strongly changed vegetables and fruits. Grains are products of convenience - less of health. Even now - if you want to be 100% carnivore with mostly beef and fish, then it costs you more than if you add rice and some veggies. It's even cheaper to add bread.

Some athletes have now started to use the carnivore diet for cutting, others are on it for decades. Oh - and better not look at the Eskimos and Masai who were some of the healthiest people on earth as shown by Weston-price.

This sounds like some serious bro science rationalization to justify a carnivore diet. The archaeological evidence is naturally going to polarize towards meat because bones take much longer to decompose than plants and are massively more likely to make it into the fossil record. There is increasing evidence from dental fossils that our ancestors were eating all the plants they could get their hands on including legumes (the latter erroneously vilified by pop culture paleo).

Even looking at the diets of modern tribes can be deceiving. If you only study what they eat at their camp site you ignore the big volume of plants they eat while they are out foraging while they often fail to find meat. Some of the modern Amazonian tribes that eat mostly wild caught meat are stricken with all kinds of diseases. Our ancestors almost never made it to 80, so what they did is not even necessarily a lesson in optimal diet for health and longevity. I don't know how you can reference the Eskimos when their lifespan is a decade shorter on average and there is no evidence that they have or ever had less heart disease than other populations (despite in theory being more evolved to handle a meat centered diet than the average person).

Cutting edge science is also increasingly bad news for carnivore diets. The current view by some very respected aging researchers is that animal protein activates mTOR and accelerates aging. There is also mounting evidence that a wide range of plant foods have powerful anti-cancer and heart protective effects. The idea of removing plants completely sounds like the worst diet advice possible.

You're kinda right, but you're also kinda wrong.

The Eskimo thing surprises me. I'll have to do a lot of research on that.

There's a lot of reasons that our ancestors didn't make it to 80. Living outdoors their whole life. Not being able to go to a hospital whenever they got sick or got an injury. Getting attacked by saber tooth tigers and other tribes. Life is a helluva lot safer and easier these days.

A lot of these modern tribes don't go to a doctor either. Joe Rogan was talking to a guy that went to visit some of these tribes.

They had no modern medicine, no doctors, none of that shit. It's no surprise that they had tons of diseases and parasites. Hell, most animals living in their natural habitat have parasites and diseases. It's only thanks to the glory of modern medicine and sanitation that we get off scot free.

High protein is for sure bad, no question, but that's not the point of a carnivore diet. We're supposed to eat fatty meats and animal fats, not lean meats and protein powder. Eating a high protein, low fat diet is where people mess up.

Running your body off of fats vs carbs/proteins*, has tons of benefits, like higher energy, less hunger, mental clarity, and more. It's also anti-aging, since fats leave behind less gunk vs carbs/proteins when they're burned.

Vitamins are more bio-available from meats, rather than plants. It takes 12 Vit.A from plants to equal one from an animal source. That only makes plant foods a waste of space.

Also note that almost no human being has a meat allergy, but legumes allergies are common, especially among babies, who are forced to eat whatever the moms eating (maybe legumes, plus other unhealthy shit), and baby formula. It's no wonder kids with physical and mental defects are becoming more and more common.

Lastly, most, 'cutting edge science', has been created to prevent doctors and researchers from being humiliated, after giving out shit advice for decades, and to line the pockets of greedy company owners, and CEO's. Not for our health. I put more weight on anecdotal evidence these days, and its been looking pretty good

*Proteins turn into carbs when we eat too much, which is why I lumped them together.

From where are you pulling this claim that humans ate 65-95% meat/fish throughout evolution? There are hunter gatherers that are to this day eating 25% to as low as 5% meat and fish. Humans and their ancestors lived in warm climates for most of their evolution where it was much easier and lower risk to get a wide variety of plant based foods. It is paleo fantasy that there was one diet (it varied by geography more than people seem to think) and it is incredibly unlikely that even the average diet was two thirds meat as you are suggesting.

The data on diets and mortality rates is available for anyone to analyze. There will always be industry funded garbage and blogs misinterpreting said garbage and legitimate science alike, but throwing out all research is just inane. There is a wealth of longitudinal data to support plant based diets and their association with health and longevity (Mediterranean, Okinawan (10 to 1 carb to protein), vegan etc) but there is no long term favorable data on low carb or keto diets to my knowledge so it is all theoretical. Being in ketosis could have short term benefits but if it involves significantly reducing or eliminating plants you are likely foregoing a host of protective phytonutrients and potentially increasing disease risk relative to a more balanced diet.
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(11-15-2019 03:20 PM)jcardial Wrote:  From where are you pulling this claim that humans ate 65-95% meat/fish throughout evolution? There are hunter gatherers that are to this day eating 25% to as low as 5% meat and fish. Humans and their ancestors lived in warm climates for most of their evolution where it was much easier and lower risk to get a wide variety of plant based foods. It is paleo fantasy that there was one diet (it varied by geography more than people seem to think) and it is incredibly unlikely that even the average diet was two thirds meat as you are suggesting.

The data on diets and mortality rates is available for anyone to analyze. There will always be industry funded garbage and blogs misinterpreting said garbage and legitimate science alike, but throwing out all research is just inane. There is a wealth of longitudinal data to support plant based diets and their association with health and longevity (Mediterranean, Okinawan (10 to 1 carb to protein), vegan etc) but there is no long term favorable data on low carb or keto diets to my knowledge so it is all theoretical. Being in ketosis could have short term benefits but if it involves significantly reducing or eliminating plants you are likely foregoing a host of protective phytonutrients and potentially increasing disease risk relative to a more balanced diet.

At this point I am starting to hate all those bullshit pushers who promote the Okinawa study that was done after WWII when their pig population was wiped out. Okinawans eat a shit-ton of pork on top of fish. And the Sardinian diet is heavy on local fish, meat and dairy - far more than the Standard American 70-80% vegan processed crap.


Even if you go into humanoid history - we know that our ancestors had fire as late as 1.7 mio. years ago in order to cook meat. Good-luck surviving on plant-food when large agriculture is at best a few millennia old. So you have millions of years vs a few thousand years.

Go out and try to survive on plants without modern agriculture and cultivation. In many areas it wasn't even possible without having chicken and dairy.





The industry-pushers are not in meat and dairy!!!!!!!!!! For fuck's sake every globohomo outlet is pushing veganism, maligning meat and every bloody vegan gets promoted on Youtube while all carnivores are banned. Vegans are getting money thrown after them to promote lots of processed fake meat and pea protein products.

Lots of the arguments have been debunked for decades, but the sheisters don't listen - repeat the cholesterol lie and the Okinawa post WWII study.

Veganism is a death-diet with missing nutrients and you can listen to all the ex-vegans. I had ex-vegans in my vicinity who fell apart.

And I even had vegeterians who fell apart as they too have greater issues since only part of the world population can even stomach raw dairy which is necessary to be a healthy vegan.
Vegeterianism was a slave food in Rome and Egypt - enought to keep you alive until you are not longer useful. Their Olympian athletes were fed meat and so did all the well-off. The same goes for cultures like India where the upper classes used vegeterianism deliberately to pacify the population and keep them docile. And it worked for thousands of years.

And as far as Eskimo life expectency goes - vegetarians and vegans wouldn't survive 3 decades there. There are no vegan tribes and even the vegeterians would not make it. 80 years in that kind of extreme environment is great. I have spoken - and I don't care if anyone wants to suck on the Greta-Soros-tit without even casually overseeing the arguments of the other side.

No - it's not "bro-science". Lots of doctors and scientists back it up.

That's what Okinawa is famous for:

[Image: okinawan-agu-pork-products-on-a-market-s...EY17AT.jpg]

Pork pork pork - their day starts with pork and ends with pork in Okinawa and they live to 100. For a few years past WWII when the pig population was eaten up by the Americans, then they ate 1% meat. A few years later it was back to normal.
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After talking to a young lady for a while, she told me “Even though your skin is black, I can tell your heart is white.”
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< Exactly. And the painful realization is that this knowledge is not new. Weston Price has been around for a century researching native tribes.

Recently Dr. Bill Schindler went to native African tribes in Kenya which eat more or less like thousands of years ago:





According to his statements those appear the most healthy people he met - tall, muscular, strong cheekbones, white strong teeth without having ever visited a dentist. And the amazing thing is that they go sometimes months eating only fermented milk, raw milk and raw blood.

Plus - even if you like some carbs to put on some extra muscle, then it's fine. You can eat your veggies and fruits if you want, but to say that the majority of calories should come from plants, seed oils are fine or that cholesterol/meat/dairy/eggs are bad - those are the lies.

The elite wants you to accept ancient slave food - it's deeply enmeshed in population control, depopulation, lowering life expectancy (less pensions to pay for them) etc. All under the guise of loving big animals while forgetting the small animals, birds and insects that big aggro murders far more than in sustainable beef, pork and chicken production.
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I've moved my response here to keep the thread from being destroyed.
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74116-page-3.html

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Hey gents,

End of week 5 observations:

Starting weight 85.0kg
Current weight 85.0kg

Diet notes: This week was better than last week, however far from perfect due to having a social life. I thought this would not be an issue, but fark sake! it's very difficult to adhere to the diet as I want. Both Thursday and Friday I had social gatherings and ate sushi, burgers (with fries) and red wine.

Health notes: Could be coincidence, but the client office I visit, has loads of sick people these past weeks as winter has arrived in Barcelona, I would usually catch something from one of the sick people in previous years, but I have not, I'm giving half this win to the diet and the other half to the supplements (50mg of Zinc, 500mg of Krill oil and 20g of magnesium/collagen powder daily)

Fitness notes: Strength still good.

Body notes: Minimal improvement in body fat and definition from last week
   
   
   


(11-12-2019 11:05 AM)ElMexicano Wrote:  Hey gents,

End of week 4 observations, a whole month has gone by already.

Stats after my trial month:
Starting weight 87.9 kg
Current weight 85.0 kg

Almost 3kg and didn't even follow as stict as I wanted due to social obligations, also my mrs was sick this past week and could not post pics or track as usual, however will say weight is still dropping, body recomposition still ongoing (my 32 size trousers fit again, perfectly)

Will update properly next week.
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How tall are you? What’s your target weight?

Sometimes the easiest thing is to put social engagements on the back burner for a bit.
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I’m 179cm.. don’t have a target weight, my aim is to see my abs again and fit very comfortably into my 32 inch sized trousersSmile

(11-18-2019 11:01 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  How tall are you? What’s your target weight?

Sometimes the easiest thing is to put social engagements on the back burner for a bit.
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