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U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
I know a young man who is only a year out of high school. One of his friends committed suicide, then his best friend committed suicide two months later. Both guys new each other, and they were also only out of high school a year. Another friend found both of them. These are average country boys from a rural town who played football, did wrestling, and liked working on cars. I'm worried for the young man I know.

When I was this young man's age, one of my best friends from childhood committed suicide, almost at the same time of year as this young man's friend.

I'm not sure what to do for this young man. I hope I can use my experience to help him. When my friend committed suicide, I did not tell anyone I knew about it. I think it would have helped for me to talk about it with someone. I don't think this young man is comfortable talking to me, though. I actually found out about it from one of his friends who said he is having a hard time and won't even mention it to me.

A lot of people were dying at that time in my life, and I was dealing with bad experiences from childhood. I remember feeling like I was hit by a truck repeatedly, and there was no time to recover between deaths. Eventually, I stopped getting back up and stayed down on the ground. At some point, I had to get back up or die.

   
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Sad to hear about anyone committing suicide, but especially young men. Although I wasn't suicidal, I can empathize with being young and thinking your life will always be miserable. Life gets so much better for a man as he ages, especially if he stops making stupid decisions. It doesn't even have to be glamorous and non stop excitement. I love the contentment of setting goals, gaining confidence, trying new things and the peace, quiet and drama free days. I didn't think I could be happy when I was in my early to mid 20s, but all it took was patience, self reflection and gaining some balls.

So much potential being wasted, and I know the man hating in our society has a lot to do with it. For women, they're being programmed to not be feminine or submit to a man/raise a family. Women aging and being lonely will probably lead to an increase in suicides for them.
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RE: U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
I'm surprised to see the rate started to spike up years before the stock market crashed in 1929, then peaked around 1932, then plummeted after FDR took office, until around the time he died.

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Guy I knew from back in high school just shot himself - left behind an ole lady and children. Lean, strong, and handsome country boy from good stock. Was a bull rider and real cowboy type when we were younger.

When we were teenagers I busted the hell out of my hand on his noggin because he tried to spit on my younger brother one time from a school bus window, and I had to get a bunch of pins to hold it together. It set the stage for many future surgeries. But I always respected him nonetheless (that was just kid stuff) and would have a beer if I saw him out in my hometown over the years after school.

Who know what got him there but hard to think of him with anything but complete disdain after hearing he abandoned his own kids in that manner, though. What a legacy to leave behind...

Seems like I hear of at least one guy from high school doing it every year. Maybe not that often but seems that way.

Damn shame.

I'd rather go lose myself in the sheer human fascination that is a 3rd world slum than end my life. My years haven't been devoid of a few bouts of depression and pointless self-pity, but to me just being alive is endlessly interesting and there's always another option, another place or another tangent to explore.

Sometimes the only real barrier to moving on and trying something different is the tunnel vision of ego.

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RE: U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
No surprise - it's tied to economics - there are a few other factors, but that is the most hard-hitting. It will continue to rise.
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When you're in a spot of feeling that you don't have a purpose, as Simeon said above, the world seems pretty bleak - Especially when you know that you are capable of so much more.

I personally get heavily depressed when I'm not moving, physically and/or mentally. I have to keep in motion, striving, otherwise I will feel like I'm wasting potential and my time here. I know that's probably not healthy, but the alternative, stagnation, is nothing that I hope for either.

Talk to others, and check in on them, make sure they're actually doing okay and not just putting on a mask in public. Sometimes the happiest people in appearances are the most depressed and sad inside.

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(10-31-2019 11:39 AM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  When you're in a spot of feeling that you don't have a purpose, as Simeon said above, the world seems pretty bleak - Especially when you know that you are capable of so much more.

I personally get heavily depressed when I'm not moving, physically and/or mentally. I have to keep in motion, striving, otherwise I will feel like I'm wasting potential and my time here. I know that's probably not healthy, but the alternative, stagnation, is nothing that I hope for either.

Talk to others, and check in on them, make sure they're actually doing okay and not just putting on a mask in public. Sometimes the happiest people in appearances are the most depressed and sad inside.

I feel the same way and honestly most days I feel quite tired but I can never allow myself to rest or the thoughts creep in. Physically or mentally I have to keep moving, have to have something to work on, something to do etc.
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RE: U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
Speaking as a young man who fits this demographic (22), I can completely understand why men are killing themselves at increasing rates. As mentioned above, economics is a part of it, but there's a much more sinister side to this epidemic.

Many men grew up with expectations of grandeur. These expectations were only heightened when the Internet took off. Growing up, a man sees the world starry-eyed, and expects to conquer the future like our ancestors conquered new lands. But the dreams that we were sold were false, nothing more than very good, clever marketing. Reality hits men like a ton of bricks.

Bursting forth into adulthood only to face a bleak economy and a broken dating market, a man's spirit is dampened, and the horizon looks dim. After spending 18 years bathing in spoon-fed dopamine, addiction to screens and frankenfood is deeply ingrained, and mental problems become harder to shrug off. We were sold the world, but in return all we got were more screens. I recall growing up thinking that in 20 years time, we'd have flying cars, super-health technology, and futuristic infrastructure. Instead, all we got was an opiod epidemic, crumbling concrete, and talking heads telling us that everything's going to be okay. In reality, we're just moving closer and closer to Mega City One.

So when I see statistics like this, I understand completely. I'm fortunate enough to not know anyone who has taken their own life, but I definitely know people on the precipice, walking shells of humans hollowed out by modern inanity. When you take away hope of a better future, what else does a man have to live for?
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Do you have a brother, friend or another man you haven't checked in with for a while? Pick up the phone and call them, or better yet, meet in-person if possible. I have a brother who is really depressed, and was at one time suicidal. You can't always make everything sunshine and roses, but just connecting with your fellow man might be the difference between him killing himself or realizing there's still a reason for living. Nobody logs the stats of men who connected with other men and then they ended up not killing themselves. You'll never make the front page of the news. But you could just help keep a man alive. Pick up the phone or meet up with those in need. You just might save a life you never knew needed your help that badly.

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(10-31-2019 01:16 PM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  Many men grew up with expectations of grandeur.

Ithink it was Shakespeare who once wrote expectations are the root of all heartache. I really do believe this is the root of it. American men, and women, have unreasonable expectations foisted on them since childhood about who they can be and what they can do. Instead you end up working for some coporate chain in a strip mall wondering if this it and if death would be more dignified.

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Industrial area office with dull and bland people and a 1BR suburban apartment that takes 20 years to pay off.

Lots of walking dead people doing this grind and suicide isn't much worse with zero family or after a divorce rape.

Big cities are completely unaffordable, filled with man hating feminists seeking to emasculate / go #metoo on men and work environments are slowly turning exclusively female and minority with a few cucks mixed in here and there for good measure.

The real question is: Why aren't more men killing themselves?
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(10-31-2019 07:42 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  No surprise - it's tied to economics - there are a few other factors, but that is the most hard-hitting. It will continue to rise.

More like socioeconomics....white males.

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(10-31-2019 04:21 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 07:42 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  No surprise - it's tied to economics - there are a few other factors, but that is the most hard-hitting. It will continue to rise.

More like socioeconomics....white males.

Partly - Native Americans don't do so good either:

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Divorce plays a big role, certain degree of introspection, lack of healthy family support, but the correlation between unemployment and economic pressure is quite strong. I do think that if the real wages started to rise, full employment reigned for a few years, then the suicide rate would drop by 50% quickly. Some tribes have lower suicide rates for a variety of reasons, but the reason for increases lie elsewhere.
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(10-31-2019 04:33 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 04:21 PM)Kingsley Davis Wrote:  
(10-31-2019 07:42 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  No surprise - it's tied to economics - there are a few other factors, but that is the most hard-hitting. It will continue to rise.

More like socioeconomics....white males.

Partly - Native Americans don't do so good either:

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Native Americans generally live in abysmal conditions by first world standards. There's a reservation in South Dakota that has the second lowest life expectancy in the Western Hemisphere, just behind Haiti. Haiti. Let that sink in for a moment. These people have been all but forgotten by America, a sad but real byproduct of colonization. There's a lot of talk about the "victim" mentality among minorities, but I would say in the Native Americans' case, it's a pretty justified label. The suicide rate is actually quite low given how shitty a lot of their lives are.

Here's a great article that details the squalid conditions and general hopelessness surrounding that South Dakota reservation:

Life on the Pine Ridge Native American reservation
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I really don't think natives, south east asians etc. were made for the modern world of the white and north east asian man.

It's too easy to survive in hot climates so people in these places generally don't evolve beyond primitive r-selected lifestyles.

A lot of natives are actually high income from casino money that they get a share of but just like lottery winners from the white pleb class they don't know how to do more with it than spending it on trinkets, alcohol and drugs.

I'm sure they would be happier living in Alaska as savages than in the modern world of the white man that has already eradicated their culture.
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Suizide among men is at a high peak in a lot of Western countries. Women are bad quality, no one goes to church anymore and you make not enough money in a job you don't really care. Oh and don't forget about the millions of men growing up with a single mother or a beta father.

Nothing drives a men more into suizide, than growing not having a father. The men and women I met that had mental issues, almost all had no father or some beta at home (if lucky).

Give a men a decent women to marry, some kids to care about and a good church community that supports him and there is no reason to commit suizide.
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This past year has been a pretty bad one for people I knew. There was a spell for a couple months where if my phone rang at an odd hour, my heart would race. I had a dread in my heart that someone else I knew had taken their life. And like others have said, it is often the ones that have so much laughter and kindness on the outside, but are tormented by something inside.

Being part native also means exposure to the insane amount of suicides they have. Money not earned often just makes things worse. Earned money, when spent on others like family, means more than they money itself. But if income is just some government funds deposited every month, greed becomes normal, even if everyone gets the same amount of money.

And if there is nothing to work for, no one to support, then purpose goes away. Kids, aging parents, friends, business; none of it matters as there is something already in place to take care of them. Those fathers who walked away decades ago, ended up with sons who walk away, and daughters who don't care. The government takes care of the kids with cheques, so more kids means more money. At least with women, having a child is a purpose, and they get to experience the love of a child. But some of those kids grow up to be confused men, and the cycle continues.

Western people are too quick to give up on each other, and themselves. Not having a hero moment, or 15 minutes of fame, or outrageous success before they finish high school is a reason for depression. Watching their future wives and mothers whore themselves out on Sugar Daddy sites or Instagram and call it work is a black pill no teenager should have to swallow.
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< The native situation clearly points out that welfare for many tribes does not provide meaning. I wouldn't say for all, because Muslims in Western Europe are unemployed at rates of 80%, but they derive their happiness out of their family and religion. Blacks also are not introspective enough.
Even Asians have lower suicide rates, because they have a different mentality and family bonds.

European-descendants are indvidualistic. Native Americans despite being a cool-ass tribe had trouble adjusting to the new world. Even looking aside the bloody history - even assuming a near-ideal settlement and giant reservations for the Natives spanning multiple states, do you really believe that they would be fine hunting the buffalo and living in tents while jets fly over their heads and others live in relative ease and luxury? That is not how human nature works.

Europeans work badly when economics are bad and they cannot take care of themselves and their families. The suicide rate during the depression and the tough economic climate before speaks volumes. A Muslim USA would never have had the same suicide rate.

Native Americans are likely plagued by a similar thing - welfare not being able to give them back their pride and they couldn't find their place in the new world. I am certain that the ones who contributed to the building of skyscrapers in Manhattan were more happy than some of the casino millionaires:
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As the Euros get squeezed out and deliberately replaced, their jobs offshored then I wonder how destructive that will be for many men. My guess is that the suicide rate will keep on rising tremendously - even basic income won't do jack shit to it. I am not even sure if there is a way to adapt to it for the bottom 30-40% of men out there. Once the driverless cars come along millions of jobs will be gone as well.

My guess is that isolation in reservations and welfare likely exacerbated the issue just as the Agenda21 (lots of green taxes will make travel impossible) and basic income will probably make it worse for the Westerners as well.

Jobs for every man and not too bitchy empowered women - that would be enough. Likely would have been enough for the Natives - if there were enough jobs available for them in their areas so that a man can be proud of himself. The US should have rather provided that instead of welfare. But our elite hasn't been pro-male and pro-family and certainly not pro-worker for a long time.

I think Laner mentioned internal offshoring that hit his dad as they were replaced by cheaper foreign workers in one industry. Ah well - that is how the cookie crumbles. White Americans were hit by the same shit - just later and it's encroaching ever more branches now as well.

(And obviously this is not a total blackpill - there are plenty of opportunities left, but you have to realize that an economy has to cater to every man and not just the top half who can deal with most changes and do well.)
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(11-01-2019 02:46 PM)Laner Wrote:  Western people are too quick to give up on each other

Asians are way more harsh on each other. If you aren't part of the underclass one misstep and you are out (of a career[path] or people turn away from you).

It's probably by design to keep people in corporate slavery after WW2.

The best these men can hope for is 7-11 for life or living as a day laborer and more often than not it's for reasons totally out of their control. (i.e. abusive work environment that they left too early for other employers liking)
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(10-29-2019 09:55 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Guy I knew from back in high school just shot himself - left behind an ole lady and children. Lean, strong, and handsome country boy from good stock. Was a bull rider and real cowboy type when we were younger.

When we were teenagers I busted the hell out of my hand on his noggin because he tried to spit on my younger brother one time from a school bus window, and I had to get a bunch of pins to hold it together. It set the stage for many future surgeries. But I always respected him nonetheless (that was just kid stuff) and would have a beer if I saw him out in my hometown over the years after school.

Who know what got him there but hard to think of him with anything but complete disdain after hearing he abandoned his own kids in that manner, though. What a legacy to leave behind...

Seems like I hear of at least one guy from high school doing it every year. Maybe not that often but seems that way.

Damn shame.

I'd rather go lose myself in the sheer human fascination that is a 3rd world slum than end my life. My years haven't been devoid of a few bouts of depression and pointless self-pity, but to me just being alive is endlessly interesting and there's always another option, another place or another tangent to explore.

Sometimes the only real barrier to moving on and trying something different is the tunnel vision of ego.


I mulled over that comment for a couple of days, to be sure I wouldn't respond emotionally like a tampon was stuck in my a******. The part that I Bolded truly truly scares me... because this disdain is exactly the element who makes good proud men go over the edge & do it! With the advancement of women in the workplace, and their domination... men who still value themselves as providers are still the strongest men... but what good is it to be the strongest... of the dying paradigm of a system built to squeeze the max out of you before spitting you out!

Uber drivers use to make $2.25 / mile... and not it's down to $0.51 in some market... and Lyft has it @ $0.41 in some market. What other biz do you know where the rate dropped 77%, while generating growth in revenue year after year? I'll wait A LONG TIME for an answer! The Myth of low skill => low pay is what's partly to blame for us rationalizing this lie. How can wages go down... while inflation is going up? Once you realize that it's not the boss... but the very system itself that's wicked... it sets you free like you wouldn't believe.

I'm currently in a temp job... and my boss is absolutely fantastic... but she can't outkind the system in place... where I'd be a full time agency employee for MINIMUM 5 YEARS before they offer me benefits! The same way the understanding of women allows you to love them for who they are... once you know that working is governed by market valuation... which the EASIEST element to control is your Paycheck... it's no wonder why your pay is low! This allow you to appreciate the good people, while knowing the foundation is rotten to it's core... and it's not their fault!

You're a skilled worker... no worries because eventually your a** will get Ubered... and bring in skilled foreign workers with sponsored Visas to replace your skilled position for pennies on the dollar!

Maybe I'm being a little too Black Pilled for my own good... but at least I'm not fooled anymore by any employer promises anymore... because you never come first... the owner and/or shareholders do...

Suicide is horrible and final... and I believe it's not done by weak people like OP mentioned is some cases. It's simply done by the failure for expectations to be met... but here's the kicker: the system prospers when the majority suffers (the middle class). The money squeezed out the middle class didn't disappeared... it was just transferred over... and cashed out via sales/merger/IPO/financial crisis/student loans bubble

Of course Mental Health plays a role in this... but Mental Health alone can't explain this here below





Of course they go as far as a mainstream doc can go... but the truth can be extracted through the lines being told

The same way rent control is a placebo in the SF Housing Crisis... the minimum wage is an even bigger placebo to make workers feel like they can get by... only if they work even better & harder of course!
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RE: U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
(10-29-2019 09:55 PM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  Guy I knew from back in high school just shot himself - left behind an ole lady and children. Lean, strong, and handsome country boy from good stock. Was a bull rider and real cowboy type when we were younger.

When we were teenagers I busted the hell out of my hand on his noggin because he tried to spit on my younger brother one time from a school bus window, and I had to get a bunch of pins to hold it together. It set the stage for many future surgeries. But I always respected him nonetheless (that was just kid stuff) and would have a beer if I saw him out in my hometown over the years after school.

Who know what got him there but hard to think of him with anything but complete disdain after hearing he abandoned his own kids in that manner, though. What a legacy to leave behind...

Work is against you, wife wants to keep up with the Kardashians while the guy is getting squeezed economically, probably being a nagging bitch and alluding to divorce.

Men get gangbanged from all sides these days as part of the program and it hit Gen X the hardest.

Gen Z pretty much knows they have no future in this world but Gen X was brought up in different times where things were not an anti male open borders hystria clown world circus.

My father "abandoned" me and my brother because he didn't get custody and the system was out to fuck him so he simply left the country and spent the money that he managed to hard ball out of the property that was forcibly sold during the divorce. (the bank tried to screw him out of that share as well)

It takes a very strong guy to not off yourself and keep on living for yourself at that point but it made him extremely bitter as well.

I never had any hard feelings towards him for what he did and it red pilled me early on that the system is against men.

The earlier guys realize it, the easier it is to just do your own thing.

The only power you have at this point is to remove yourself from government control and globohomo influence as much as possible or seek new masters as in the times of the crusades.
11-03-2019 02:50 AM
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RE: U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
My honest advice:

There are only a few lifestyles that can keep you out of the globalhomo:

Pilot: You work mostly with men in a technical field. Long shifts but lots of time off. There are female and gay male flight attendants but its easy to keep it professional.

Small Town Cop: In the Northeast at least you can pull 75k to start without much bullshit.

Military: Lots of bullshit but if you pick a job in a small field its not so bad. I only know about the Navy but Aviator, Aviation Maintenance Duty Officer and Oceanography Officer are good picks.

Other than that - gym and hobbies.
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11-03-2019 03:14 AM
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RE: U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
(11-02-2019 02:00 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:  
You're a skilled worker... no worries because eventually your a** will get Ubered... and bring in skilled foreign workers with sponsored Visas to replace your skilled position for pennies on the dollar!


Maybe I'm being a little too Black Pilled for my own good... but at least I'm not fooled anymore by any employer promises anymore... because you never come first... the owner and/or shareholders do...

You are spot-on - the West due to the blood spilled of our ancestors - created a very livable high-wage system. Many grassroots union members died being shot as the fought for a better way. CEO to average worker wage gap in the 1950s was like 30-50 to 1. Now it's approaching 1000 to 1.

We are returning to the Dickensian economic system. The mass migration is absolutely for lowering costs and it happens across all branches as unversity-scholarships are given across the world. Why? Why should a local American have to compete with the best students across the world - often even with questionable credentials that are sometimes faked? Why should the lower-tier worker have to compete with an endless sea of Mexicans who are willing to work for half?

The Dickensian system is coming back as even young pilots are fond to be often on food stamps! The system simply uses the love of flying for those men and pays them slightly better than a Walmart.

Again - the suicide graph is telling and may have been even higher in the 19th century:

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Unfortunately I see an ever deteriorating situation since our elite wants the Chinese system implemented, but in reality it might become even worse than in China.
11-03-2019 03:52 AM
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RE: U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
(11-03-2019 03:52 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Unfortunately I see an ever deteriorating situation since our elite wants the Chinese system implemented, but in reality it might become even worse than in China.

They want women of upper middle to upper class prostituting themselves to keep their standard of living and men tranny, gay or dead.

The system is set on pure destruction just like in communist times.

In 3rd world countries if you cuck hard enough you will get a job that affords you a small place to live.

In western countries they want you homeless, drug addicted and dead within a couple years or to become a criminal and be sent to the prison industrial complex.

They make it hard to even be homeless in your car...
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RE: U.S. Suicide Rates Are the Highest They've Been Since World War II
It’s almost like “muh GDP” has absolutely no bearing on the happiness and well-being of almost any citizen in the country and is a poor metric of success.

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