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RE: Single women in their 30s/40s are starting to realize they will die alone
The biggest problem for these women is that they all think Never Settle! without considering that the type of man they want would be the one really settling if he committed to one of them. They look as good as one can hope for at their ages, so if they got real about who is settling for whom they could probably land a decent man. They won't though, they just double down. They want to be vindicated for their poor decisions more so than getting a husband who is on the right level for them.
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(11-08-2019 09:27 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 06:59 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Again, all you have to do is look around in the world where women got what they asked for, and then got what they asked for.

This deluded outlook can be summed up with these old but ultimately wise lyrics:

There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven
When she gets there she knows
If the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for
Oh oh oh oh and she's buying a stairway to heaven


And not so old lyrics that epitomize the delusion:

I want it, I got it, I want it, I got it
I want it, I got it, I want it, I got it
You like my hair? Gee, thanks, just bought it
I see it, I like it, I want it, I got it (yeah)


There's also this old song from the late 70's




Charlene, I've never been to me

Quote:Hey lady, you, lady, cursin' at your life
You're a discontented mother and a rich inventive wife
I've no doubt you dream about the things you'll never do
But I wish someone had a talked to me like I wanna talk to you

It's about a lady who rides the carousel and goes on cockcations and regrets it later in life.
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(11-08-2019 11:23 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  I have seen women online who actively say they want to have kids and are 40+. Its a head scratcher.


Then there are the chicks who are ~42 years of age & still list "undecided" on their profiles when it comes to having children... [Image: Snide.png]
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(11-08-2019 10:40 PM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 11:23 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  I have seen women online who actively say they want to have kids and are 40+. Its a head scratcher.


Then there are the chicks who are ~42 years of age & still list "undecided" on their profiles when it comes to having children... [Image: Snide.png]

Looks like nature decided for them

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(11-08-2019 08:26 PM)MKE-Ed Wrote:  When I look at many of these women who now realize that they’re going to probably be alone for the rest of their lives, I can’t but help to think that many of them probably had opportunities to date decent guys ,but passed on many of them because they didn’t have the right type of careers or status to make them look good.

They still have more opportunities than most men.

Quote: Indeed, male subjects (super)liked 61.9% of the female evaluated profiles, while female subjects (super)liked only 4.5% of the male evaluated profiles. These findings are in line with previous research on online dating in general (Fiore et al., 2010, January, Todd et al., 2007) and on Tinder in particular (Tyson, Perta, Haddadi & Seto, 2016). Indeed, Tyson et al. (2016), p. 1) argue that this is due to a feedback loop: ‘men are driven to be less selective in the hope of attaining a match, whilst women are increasingly driven to be more selective, safe in the knowledge that any profiles they like will probably result in a match’.

On tinder, men SUPERLIKE two-thirds of women’s profiles. This rate causes women to avoid right swiping in order to avoid the inevitable match.

This probably means men super like more than women like.

The rest of the article describes that women’s right swipe rates increase with the perceived education level of men.

Educational hypergamy

Quote:Finally, when directly comparing a situation of hypergamy to a situation of hypogamy we find – naturally – that in this scenario there exists a strong preference for hypergamy. Taking into account the discussion in the previous paragraph, in the female subsample this result is driven by both a preference for hypergamy and an aversion to hypogamy, while in the male subsample this result is driven solely by an aversion to hypogamy.

Combining these findings with our findings from the previous subsection, we can conclude that for women on Tinder the preference for a highly educated partner is not only absolute but also relative to their own education level. Contrarily, men on Tinder do not have a preference for a potential partner with a higher education level than themselves. However, the fact that they also do not have an aversion to this situation again confirms that they are not intimidated by highly educated women, even if a woman's education level would exceed their own. Moreover, they even disfavour women who have a lower education level than themselves. Three possible explanations for these findings for men are similar to those raised in Section 4.2 when discussing the absence of men's aversion to highly educated women.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...5719301104

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(11-09-2019 12:19 AM)N°6 Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 08:26 PM)MKE-Ed Wrote:  When I look at many of these women who now realize that they’re going to probably be alone for the rest of their lives, I can’t but help to think that many of them probably had opportunities to date decent guys ,but passed on many of them because they didn’t have the right type of careers or status to make them look good.

They still have more opportunities than most men.

Quote: Indeed, male subjects (super)liked 61.9% of the female evaluated profiles, while female subjects (super)liked only 4.5% of the male evaluated profiles. These findings are in line with previous research on online dating in general (Fiore et al., 2010, January, Todd et al., 2007) and on Tinder in particular (Tyson, Perta, Haddadi & Seto, 2016). Indeed, Tyson et al. (2016), p. 1) argue that this is due to a feedback loop: ‘men are driven to be less selective in the hope of attaining a match, whilst women are increasingly driven to be more selective, safe in the knowledge that any profiles they like will probably result in a match’.

On tinder, men SUPERLIKE two-thirds of women’s profiles. This rate causes women to avoid right swiping in order to avoid the inevitable match.

This probably means men super like more than women like.

The rest of the article describes that women’s right swipe rates increase with the perceived education level of men.

Educational hypergamy

Quote:Finally, when directly comparing a situation of hypergamy to a situation of hypogamy we find – naturally – that in this scenario there exists a strong preference for hypergamy. Taking into account the discussion in the previous paragraph, in the female subsample this result is driven by both a preference for hypergamy and an aversion to hypogamy, while in the male subsample this result is driven solely by an aversion to hypogamy.

Combining these findings with our findings from the previous subsection, we can conclude that for women on Tinder the preference for a highly educated partner is not only absolute but also relative to their own education level. Contrarily, men on Tinder do not have a preference for a potential partner with a higher education level than themselves. However, the fact that they also do not have an aversion to this situation again confirms that they are not intimidated by highly educated women, even if a woman's education level would exceed their own. Moreover, they even disfavour women who have a lower education level than themselves. Three possible explanations for these findings for men are similar to those raised in Section 4.2 when discussing the absence of men's aversion to highly educated women.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...5719301104


Quote:Are men intimidated by highly educated women?

Simple answer, no,

Long answer: they just don't want to entangle themselves in a life of paying off a debt to a woman that has no vested guarantee of commitment and has a buttload of debt and will end up using them as a beta bux provider

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(11-09-2019 01:14 AM)pitbullowner Wrote:  
(11-09-2019 12:19 AM)N°6 Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 08:26 PM)MKE-Ed Wrote:  When I look at many of these women who now realize that they’re going to probably be alone for the rest of their lives, I can’t but help to think that many of them probably had opportunities to date decent guys ,but passed on many of them because they didn’t have the right type of careers or status to make them look good.

They still have more opportunities than most men.

Quote: Indeed, male subjects (super)liked 61.9% of the female evaluated profiles, while female subjects (super)liked only 4.5% of the male evaluated profiles. These findings are in line with previous research on online dating in general (Fiore et al., 2010, January, Todd et al., 2007) and on Tinder in particular (Tyson, Perta, Haddadi & Seto, 2016). Indeed, Tyson et al. (2016), p. 1) argue that this is due to a feedback loop: ‘men are driven to be less selective in the hope of attaining a match, whilst women are increasingly driven to be more selective, safe in the knowledge that any profiles they like will probably result in a match’.

On tinder, men SUPERLIKE two-thirds of women’s profiles. This rate causes women to avoid right swiping in order to avoid the inevitable match.

This probably means men super like more than women like.

The rest of the article describes that women’s right swipe rates increase with the perceived education level of men.

Educational hypergamy

Quote:Finally, when directly comparing a situation of hypergamy to a situation of hypogamy we find – naturally – that in this scenario there exists a strong preference for hypergamy. Taking into account the discussion in the previous paragraph, in the female subsample this result is driven by both a preference for hypergamy and an aversion to hypogamy, while in the male subsample this result is driven solely by an aversion to hypogamy.

Combining these findings with our findings from the previous subsection, we can conclude that for women on Tinder the preference for a highly educated partner is not only absolute but also relative to their own education level. Contrarily, men on Tinder do not have a preference for a potential partner with a higher education level than themselves. However, the fact that they also do not have an aversion to this situation again confirms that they are not intimidated by highly educated women, even if a woman's education level would exceed their own. Moreover, they even disfavour women who have a lower education level than themselves. Three possible explanations for these findings for men are similar to those raised in Section 4.2 when discussing the absence of men's aversion to highly educated women.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...5719301104


Quote:Are men intimidated by highly educated women?

Simple answer, no,

Long answer: they just don't want to entangle themselves in a life of paying off a debt to a woman that has no vested guarantee of commitment and has a buttload of debt and will end up using them as a beta bux provider

Here is an excerpt from the journal’s conclusion.

Quote:Based on a sample of 3600 Tinder profile evaluations, we found that education level matters only substantially when female Tinder users evaluate male Tinder profiles, and not vice versa. This finding is in line with previous literature from multiple fields that found that women have a higher preference for a highly educated partner who in turn has a higher earnings potential. Additionally, in contrast to earlier studies from the field of economics we found no evidence that men are intimidated by highly educated – and therefore potentially high-earning – women.

This is one of the few articles that doesn’t blame men for highly educated women running out of men. Their hypergamous desires actually increase and the lust for a gender pay gap burns in the dating market, even when they’re financially independent and comfortable.

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These broads are delusional, and think we're attracted to the same things they are. Their degrees and paper pushing jobs will never give us boners. Highly "educated" women are more likely to have debt and be a nutty leftist as well. I would respect them studying something useful, but those are few and far between, and it's still not going to make them attractive.
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(11-08-2019 09:37 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  There's also this old song from the late 70's
Charlene, I've never been to me

Wow, I'd never listened to that before.
"I took the hand of a preacher man / and we made love in the sun" (facepalm)

Well, at least she seemed to regret it even if her only solution was self-absorption. For this, it's an improvement on Torn Between Two Lovers, one of the most abysmal songs of that era. Writer: Peter, Paul, and Mary's Peter Yarrow, who once, er, "took liberties" with a 14-year old.
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(11-09-2019 12:19 AM)N°6 Wrote:  They still have more opportunities than most men.

Quote: Indeed, male subjects (super)liked 61.9% of the female evaluated profiles, while female subjects (super)liked only 4.5% of the male evaluated profiles. These findings are in line with previous research on online dating in general (Fiore et al., 2010, January, Todd et al., 2007) and on Tinder in particular (Tyson, Perta, Haddadi & Seto, 2016). Indeed, Tyson et al. (2016), p. 1) argue that this is due to a feedback loop: ‘men are driven to be less selective in the hope of attaining a match, whilst women are increasingly driven to be more selective, safe in the knowledge that any profiles they like will probably result in a match’.

On tinder, men SUPERLIKE two-thirds of women’s profiles. This rate causes women to avoid right swiping in order to avoid the inevitable match.
This probably means men super like more than women like.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...5719301104

A few more points:

1). Women don't like men online because they approach online dating like they do clothes shopping. Women spend four hours in the mall then go home with nothing. And then they do the same thing the next weekend. And the next. It's said the enjoy "the experience." And what is that experience? Going through countless things and saying "no thanks." Hmmmm.

Meanwhile, when men shop, they drive to a store, get the item they need, then go home. The end. Both genders approach shopping in different ways and this comes out in online dating. This alone is why online dating is a loser's game for most men.

2). Women's "standards" online do not necessarily translate into the real world. There are women I dated who later created online profiles. In every case I would NEVER have qualified to go out with any of these women. I didn't make the height limit or the salary limit (both of which were set ridiculously high by every one of these women). Plus, my interests and politics didn't jibe with theirs. And I'll bet they wouldn't have liked my photos.

And yet in the real world, I had no problem meeting these women's "standards," and some of them approached me. Why is this? It's because...

3). Men are visual creatures. Women are not. Playboy was one of the biggest magazines of all time. Playgirl was a joke that never captured a female audience and was mostly bought by gay men. On top of that, there are no female equivalents to Maxim magazine or any of the "lad's mags." On top of THAT (!), the pictures on the covers of men's mags are of women and the pictures on the covers of women's mags are also of women.

What does all this tell us? It tells us that when humans perceive objects in the one-dimensional visual realm, men LOVE looking at women but women are "meh" when it comes to looking at men. It stands to reason women wouldn't like most of the men on OKCupid or Tinder. They didn't even go for the buff male models on the pages of Playgirl. You think the visuals of an average guy are gonna excite them?

(And, yes, I know some women are into visuals and go to male strip shows. But that's generally a novelty and not what the average women does on a regular basis.)

Conclusion #1: When it comes to online dating, most men are at a disadvantage. The legendary French writer Voltaire once supposedly said "Give me ten minutes with a woman and I can talk my ugly face away." Most men can talk away their flaws as well. But online you can't. And this is the problem.

Conclusion #2: Men are women are different. Film at eleven. Someday, science prove why men are visual but women aren't by doing detailed "brain maps" and/or "hormone level maps." People will look back and laugh at online dating and say "They were so primitive! They thought women could perceive photos the same way men do! LOL!"
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(11-09-2019 02:46 AM)Athanasius Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 09:37 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  There's also this old song from the late 70's
Charlene, I've never been to me

Wow, I'd never listened to that before.
"I took the hand of a preacher man / and we made love in the sun" (facepalm)

Well, at least she seemed to regret it even if her only solution was self-absorption.

It's actually about regret from not settling down and having a family. It's a cautionary tale for young women who waste their lives doing the yolo thing.

Quote:Hey, you know what paradise is? It's a lie, a fantasy we create about
People and places as we'd like them to be but you know what truth is?
It's that little baby you're holding, and it's that man you fought with
This morning, the same one you're going to make love with tonight
That's truth, that's love

You have to keep in mind that the 70s and 80's was full of insane excess. The degeneracy really kicked off into full gear mid 60's i'd say. There's no way a song can be made about this now. We are now in the post insane excess world where it's finally normalized. The cock carousel and polluting your womb is the standard.
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Western girls dating profiles are a painful procession of coffee, wine, pets, career, tattoos, adventure, travel and some virtue signalling bullshit.

Chads are dating down accumulating easy notches whilst the men on the bad side of the 80/20 rule bear the scorn of entitled female dissatisfaction, feeling used, loneliness and rejection. "All men are assholes"

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(11-08-2019 09:35 PM)Gimlet Wrote:  The biggest problem for these women is that they all think Never Settle! without considering that the type of man they want would be the one really settling if he committed to one of them. They look as good as one can hope for at their ages, so if they got real about who is settling for whom they could probably land a decent man. They won't though, they just double down. They want to be vindicated for their poor decisions more so than getting a husband who is on the right level for them.

They also chose New York City, which is an ovary Auschwitz due to the gender imbalance of hot women flocking to a city of mediocre men. If they just moved to Denver (or if they could leave the country, Toronto) they could get a surprisingly high value Chadish husband quite quickly. However, that would violate "Never Settle".
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(11-09-2019 12:19 AM)N°6 Wrote:  They still have more opportunities than most men.

This.

https://www.rooshv.com/the-wall-is-softer-than-we-think

If they want to settle for betabux, they can. Meanwhile they'll work to corrupt the younger generations and vote for globohomo. I can only pray some of them will repent.
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(11-09-2019 12:07 PM)The Guest Wrote:  
(11-09-2019 12:19 AM)N°6 Wrote:  They still have more opportunities than most men.

This.

https://www.rooshv.com/the-wall-is-softer-than-we-think

If they want to settle for betabux, they can. Meanwhile they'll work to corrupt the younger generations and vote for globohomo. I can only pray some of them will repent.

Failure of women to find a man who wants one ends up being 100% due to pride, because they will continue to have options well beyond their peak.

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It really speaks to the desperate nature of men not to be alone that such quantifiably horrible women still have an option to get partnered up, should they choose to.

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(11-08-2019 09:37 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 09:27 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(11-08-2019 06:59 PM)Kid Twist Wrote:  Again, all you have to do is look around in the world where women got what they asked for, and then got what they asked for.

This deluded outlook can be summed up with these old but ultimately wise lyrics:

There's a lady who's sure
All that glitters is gold
And she's buying a stairway to heaven
When she gets there she knows
If the stores are all closed
With a word she can get what she came for
Oh oh oh oh and she's buying a stairway to heaven


And not so old lyrics that epitomize the delusion:

I want it, I got it, I want it, I got it
I want it, I got it, I want it, I got it
You like my hair? Gee, thanks, just bought it
I see it, I like it, I want it, I got it (yeah)


There's also this old song from the late 70's




Charlene, I've never been to me

Quote:Hey lady, you, lady, cursin' at your life
You're a discontented mother and a rich inventive wife
I've no doubt you dream about the things you'll never do
But I wish someone had a talked to me like I wanna talk to you

It's about a lady who rides the carousel and goes on cockcations and regrets it later in life.

Lyrics:

Quote:I've Never Been To Me (R. Miller / K. Hirsch - Motown Records, Inc)

Hey lady, you lady
Cursing at your life
You're a discontented mother
And a regimented wife
I 've no doubt
You dream about the things you never do
But I wish someone had talked to me like I wanna talk to you

Oh, I've been to Georgia and California and anywhere I could run
Took the hand of a preacher man
And we made love in the sun
But I ran out of places and friendly faces
Because I had to be free
I've been to paradise but I've never been to me...

Please lady please lady
Don't just walk away
Cause I have this need to tell you
Why I'm all alone today
I can see so much of me still living in your eyes
Won't you share a part of a weary heart that has lived a million lives

Oh, I've been to Nice and the isle of Greece
When I sipped champagne on a yacht
I moved like Harlow in Monte Carlo
And showed them what I've got
I've been undressed by kings
And I've seen some things that a woman ain't s'pose to see
I've been to paradise but I've never been to me...

Hey, you know what paradise is?
It's a lie
A fantasy we created about people and places as we like them to be
But you know what truth is?
it's that little baby you're holding
And it's that man you fought with this morning
The same one you are gonna make love to tonight
That's truth, that's love

Sometimes I've been to crying for unborn children
That might have made me complete
But I, I took the sweet life
I never knew I'd be bitter from the sweet
I spent my life exploring
The subtle whoring
That costs too much to be free
Hey lady I've been to paradise
But I've never been to me...

I've been to paradise but I've never been to me...

The funny part is that reading the comments, a lot of boomer housewives never got the lyrics, reading them the opposite way, saying they were oppressed housewives who left their families to Eat Love "Pray"...

That's how I look at the Stairway to Heaven lyrics, Led Zep being notorious devout satanists who literally worshiped Alistair Crowley and preached his "do what thy will" ethos to the masses, an ethos which is modern materialist slavery cloaked as progressive liberalism.

It's more about the revelation of the method here than about telling women to avoid the lure of spiritually empty promethean progressive liberalism, mocking the sheep to their faces by openly revealing the program they have for them.

A lot of hardcore satanist bands like The Grateful Dead, Nine Inch Nails or Tool have this approach towards the sheepish masses they lead to degeneracy.

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And don't forget that women constantly lie about their age. 30's means 40's.
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speaking of funny bumble profiles, just came across this one. approaching her 30s but based on her ridiculous double standards she is a very strong candidate for the topic
   
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Amazing thread. I also checked out a lot of the profiles on the 4chan link for laughs but noticed something nobody has brought up in the thread. A lot of the women are Jewish. Heck it could even be 90 percent if we consider the Atheist and Agnostic ones as basically nonpracticing Jews.

Oi vey!

The Zionist Conservatives have bigger problems than defending Israel. Jewish women in America are not breeding. Funniest part is that true Judaism is past on through the mother. Meaning your only a true Jew if your mother is Jewish. Looks like Arabs are not Israels biggest threat; it is fertility.

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(11-09-2019 01:27 PM)for.petes.sake Wrote:  Amazing thread. I also checked out a lot of the profiles on the 4chan link for laughs but noticed something nobody has brought up in the thread. A lot of the women are Jewish. Heck it could even be 90 percent if we consider the Atheist and Agnostic ones as basically nonpracticing Jews.

Oi vey!

The Zionist Conservatives have bigger problems than defending Israel. Jewish women in America are not breeding. Funniest part is that true Judaism is past on through the mother. Meaning your only a true Jew if your mother is Jewish. Looks like Arabs are not Israels biggest threat; it is fertility.

Oi vey!!!

2019 Article from Times of Israel

When American Jews described their own intermarriage as a ‘Second Holocaust’

Quote:In recent years, several Israeli leaders have opined that a “second Holocaust” is taking place in America through assimilation. However, the notion of a “silent” or “second Holocaust” taking place in the US was not born in Israel, but the Goldene Medina itself.

Three decades ago, a kerfuffle took place after the release of statistics from the National Jewish Population Survey. For many years, Jewish leaders had called for a scientific survey to help address the challenges of assimilation and intermarriage. The 1990 NJPS was conducted by the Council of Federations — now called JFNA — and included a sample set of 5,000 Jewish households.

Although the researchers were most interested in socioeconomic issues and “integration,” the study’s shocker was that 52 percent of Jews were married to non-Jews. To put that statistic into perspective, the rate of intermarriage in 1965 was only 9%. There was little good news to report on other fronts, from the failing synagogue education system to the influence of pop culture on Jewish identity.

In his analysis of the study, demographer Sidney Goldstein wrote about “the high rates of intermarriage, the persistence of low fertility, the greater dispersal of the population, comparatively high rates of marital instability, the evidence of growing secularism, the loss of the more traditional members through aging and death, and growing Americanization.”


The challenges facing American Jewry were pronounced, it seemed, and the atmosphere was ripe for hyperbole.

During the months following the NJPS “bombshell,” some Orthodox leaders began to use the term “second Holocaust” or “silent Holocaust” to describe the study’s findings. Until that point, the term “second Holocaust” was generally associated with attempts by Arab countries to destroy Israel, and not American Jewish demography.

This week, it was reported that Israel’s new education minister Rafi Peretz, a former chief rabbi of the Israeli army, said at a cabinet meeting on July 1 that the assimilation of Jews around the world — and mostly in the US — was “like a second Holocaust.” The Axios report also said that, due to intermarriages in the last 70 years, the leader of the Union of Right-Wing Parties bloc said the Jewish people “lost 6 million people.” Axios claimed Peretz’s spokesman confirmed the account.

Back in the 1990s, among American Jews lamenting the community’s demographic downfall, some were entirely secular or disconnected from the faith.

The literary critic Leslie Fiedler wrote about “The Two Holocausts,” controversially calling himself “the last Jew in America.” His writings included “The Jew in the American Novel” and “Fiedler on the Roof: Essays on Literature and Jewish Identity,” published in 1991.

“Not one of my own eight children has, at the present moment, a Jewish mate; nor for that matter do I,” wrote Fiedler, neither of whose two marriages was to a Jew.

“In any case, there is no one to say kaddish for me when I die,” wrote Fiedler. “I am, in short, not just as I have long known, a minimal Jew — my Judaism nearly non-existent — but, as I have only recently become aware, a terminal one as well, the last of a four-thousand year line. Yet, whatever regrets I may feel, I cannot deny that I have wanted this, worked for it.”

‘How could you stand by and let that happen?’

In November of 1991, thousands of Jewish leaders from around the world converged on Baltimore for the 60th General Assembly of the Council of Jewish Federations. The gathering’s highlight was an unprecedented seven-and-a-half hour symposium on the issue of intermarriage.

It wasn’t only Orthodox leaders who were concerned about the NJPS statistics. Jewish leaders from every denomination buzzed about the “52% intermarriage” statistic during the six-day gathering, as reflected by comments made during the symposium.

“If we don’t do anything about [intermarriage,] then our grandchildren will say to us the same things we said to [American] Jews of the 1930s: ‘How could you stand by and let that happen?’” said David Sacks of New York’s United Jewish Appeal.

In addition to the 52% intermarriage rate, an NJPS statistic making the rounds involved raising Jewish children. According to the study, only 28% of the 777,000 children in intermarried families were being raised as Jews. Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Shamir was on the agenda to talk about peace that week, but most people wanted to talk about the statistics.

“For years, we’ve been shaking our heads about intermarriage and saying, ‘Ain’t it awful!’ Now we have the hard statistics to help move us into action,” said Helene Berger, co-organizer of the symposium on intermarriage.

Nearly 30 years after its release, the 1990 NJPS study is seen as a watershed moment in American Jewish history. Many institutions deepened outreach to what are now called interfaith families, as opposed to intermarried. Programs including Birthright Israel were launched in response to the study, some of whose bleakest predictions have yet to pass.

“The greatest impact of the NJPS may have been on the self-image of American Jews,” wrote researcher Benjamin Phillips of the study’s long-term resonance.

“To peruse Jewish newspapers and magazines of the 1990s is to see the 52% statistic cited by an astounding number of articles and op-eds, almost always in terms of shock and dismay. American Jewry went from a community that was appreciating its successful rise to the upper echelon of socioeconomic status to one that was concerned about its very survival,” wrote Phillips.

‘This is a spiritual Holocaust’

Some other Jewish leaders touting the “second Holocaust” notion have done so in complex ways. Possibly chief among them, rabbi Ephraim Buchwald of the National Jewish Outreach Program said a “silent Holocaust” was taking place among American Jews, but the process had less to do with assimilation than the community’s obsession with the Holocaust itself.

“We’ve reached the absurd point where the only feature of Judaism with which our young Jews identify is that of the Jew as victim — murdered, cremated or turned into a lampshade. Is there no joy in Jewish life? Is there no balm in Gilead? No wonder our young Jews are turned off and walking away from their heritage,” wrote Buchwald in a well-circulated essay called, “The Holocaust is Killing American Jews.”

Intoned Buchwald, “Two million American Jews no longer acknowledge being Jewish. One million American Jewish children are being raised as non-Jews, or with no religion at all. And 625,000 Jews or their children have converted out of Judaism… Jews as a group are drifting away from their religion,” he wrote.


Known for launching “Shabbat Across America” and other successful outreach programs, Buchwald said “the continuing Jewish obsession” with the Holocaust was helping Hitler to “emerge victorious.” The “silent Holocaust” had already claimed nearly two-thirds of America’s six-million Jews, he wrote, primarily through the erosion of the Jewish people’s spirituality.

“There are no barking dogs, no Zyklon-B gas… but make no mistake: This is a spiritual Holocaust,” wrote Buchwald. “…Right now what seems to be the priority is building Holocaust memorials.”


For his part, demographer Sidney Goldstein painted a less bleak picture based on the NJPS findings. In essence, he wrote that the quality of Jewish life was just as important as quantifying the number of Jews.

“Stability of numbers, or even declining numbers, need not constitute a fundamental threat to the maintenance of a strong Jewish community and to high levels of identity,” wrote Goldstein, “although the impact of size is clearly more relevant on the local than national level because of the need for sufficient Jewish population density to allow a vital Jewish communal life.”

Most of the Jewish guys I've come across don't even like Jewish women. Most of them go for WASP or East Asian women. If you're a Jewish male then east Asian women are easy mode, they have a weird fascination with Jews because they perceive them to be rich and educated.

Also, a lot of the Jewish women I come across are either single or married to non-Jews. I previously worked with a Sri Lankan Buddhist and an Indian Hindu who had Jewish wives.

A lot of American Jews have a strange fascination with Hinduism and Buddhism. I guess they dislike Judaism, but becoming a Christian or Muslim is a step too far for them.
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More profiles were posted: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/232634726

It's just sad. Many are in their 40s and say they want kids.

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(11-09-2019 01:48 PM)Roosh Wrote:  More profiles were posted: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/232634726

It's just sad. Many are in their 40s and say they want kids.

And they are still lying about their real age as usual.
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Relevant to this discussion is the story about the 80-something-year-old woman who is using dating apps to hook up with men in their 20s and 30s (I think there's a thread on this but can't find it). The wall isn't the social death sentence it used to be. These women still have men messaging and pursuing them. They will be "fine", at least until the economy collapses.
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