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RE: The truth about the flat earth
I am essentially in agreement with D'Aversa, who in the first page asked 'who cares?', but I do think his question is much deeper and important than it seems, as I am in the strange position of thinking the two sides of the argument (flat vs globe) are wrong.

Today I moved a lot of my plants to the other side of my balcony, because they will fare better in morning sunlight than in the stronger afternoon one. I did it because I know the sun rises to the left of my balcony, then travels across the sky to the right side of my balcony.

We now know, because of scientific methods and tools, that in fact the above sentence is complete nonsense. The sun does not 'rise' nor does it travel across the sky, it is the earth that is moving around it and revolving on itself. The sky, as a matter of fact, does not really exist from a purely scientific point of view. It also isn't blue - although I can see it clearly.

There is a problem here. I may be psychotic. I look through my window and I see now the sun going down, the sky above it blue, although with tinges of a strange orange and even purple. But these things, the scientific worldview tells me, do not really exist. They are mere perceptions - and those are obviously less real than what science has proven. I may be indeed psychotic, but it is a shared psychosis with the rest of humanity, both living and dead (which makes me a little less worried).

My plants however seem oblivious to these scientific facts - and they will indeed have healthier lives now because, guided by my non-scientific perception, I moved them to the right side of the balcony.

So it seems that while the flat earthers cling to a scientific validity that is mostly irrelevant, the globe earthers fail to realize that they cling to a poetic reality that is very relevant. Unless, of course, both sides refuse to indulge their non-scientific perceptions and refer to the marvels of nature by their scientific descriptions alone. They would look at the plants in my balcony and, instead of seeing their beauty in the afternoon sunlight, they would merely observe photosynthesis. I am almost sure, they would not - and if they did, they would seem psychotic, much more so than the man who sees a beautiful blue sky, even though technically it does not exist. While they are not over-reliant on their intellect (thank God), they think they are (a sad paradox).

Why not simply give the right answer to this question, which was the answer of the ancients: the Earth is both round and flat, depending on who's watching and where, the sky is both blue and non-blue, and so on. Just as a man is a collection of chemical elements, but also a soul. The Forum has turned Christian, but perhaps not Christian enough yet - all the vices of modern thought are still here. Didn't our Lord show us that Death can conquer Death? Does that make any sense in a purely scientific world? Does it make it less real?

In other words, and going back to the beginning, who cares?

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RE: The truth about the flat earth
No, they're laughing at gullible people buying the double bluff flat earth psyop. NASA and the gubmint always lie, so they must have lied about flat earth!

Here's a relevant quote from one of the key players from the era depicted in that meme above, Bill Casey, who was offed Fredo-style, "drowning" while fishing on a pond:

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As far as the earth spin, it's a trick that exploits our physical inability to perceive the earth spin, because in fact it is actually a slow process, requiring 24 hours for one revolution.

Here's another "trick" that exploits our basic mental inability to process the physical world through our senses alone: the atmospheric air pressure exerts a force of close to 15lb per square inch on our body. When you're lying down*, your horizontal surface is over 1000 square inches, so you have a column of air exerting a weight of 15,000 pounds on your body! How could this be?!? Of course this doesn't make any sense whatsoever, we'd be crushed completely! Science is a lie! The atmosphere is FAKE!!1!! NASA LIES!!

Flat eart is a real thing today because

1-people are extremely mistrustful of our political, cultural and scientific establishment, for good reason.

2- people are becoming more isolated and socially fragmented. A good discussion with an uncle or a cousin who is an engineer would have cleared some topics, but that community is often missing, or older wisdom is now damaged with large elements of the Boomer generation going off the rails.

3- lack of scientific grounding. We now believe facts based on our cultural perceptions and political clan affiliation.

For example this board is mostly a right wing community, where most will accept that the is some truth behind the Clinton Body Count, but the majority will not entertain the notion that their government could have lied to them about the moon landings or 9/11.

Whereas a majority of lefties will religiously believe Russiagate and global warming, but think that the Clinton Body Count is crazy talk.


We are in an era of great political turmoil due to the collapse of the MSM along with the erosion of social and educational structures. Flat earth is a symptom of this.


* of course the total pressure exerted on your body doesn't change wrt your position, as it is exerted in every direction across your body surface, but I used this image as it is easier to visualize for the layman (pun intended).

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RE: The truth about the flat earth
Science has actual experiments to back it while pseudoscience just rely on theories.

Stop clinging to this nonsense man. Let it go.

You're not going to convince me I'm theoretically spinning 1000mph right now without any proof.

Also gravity has two distinctive forces it supposedly does without any real explanation. Does it pull things in orbit or does it pull things down to the center of that object?
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You can't talk about science and pseudoscience if you've never had any formal scientific training. You have to be able to acknowledge the limits of your knowledge. This is the same fact I try to convey when I'm having arguments with atheists about the existence of God.

So guess what, you're not only spinning at 1,000mph (at the equator) relative to the earth center, but you're also being crushed by the weight of a ton of air squashing your body! Your motion on the surface of the earth is constant, and everything else around you is moving at the same speed, so you can't perceive it.

Objects moving in orbit are the result of gravity balancing out centrifugal forces applying on the object moving at constant speed in a tangential path perpendicular to the surface.

Here's a good start for your personal due diligence:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_force#Earth

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You are right, God does exist.

This spinning ball nonsense just creates more atheists in the world since they now believe its far more expansive than it really is. They believe we are here by chance when in actuality an intelligent designer created us and put us here for whatever reason.

This land may not be entirely flat but im definitely sure we are not the ones spinning on earth. Its the sun and moon above us moving, not us on earth.

Also you didn't really explain gravity. It still has two distinctive properties which contradicts itself.
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RE: The truth about the flat earth
(11-11-2019 04:04 PM)Roosh Wrote:  I'm not convinced that having a discussion about flat earth will damage our "reputation." My reputation is already that of a "rapist", "alt righter", "homophobe", etc etc. Owen Benjamin has been going on about flat earth for a long time, and I haven't seen one news article that has attacked him for it, and his audience has remained stable (if not grown).

I've always interpreted the corporate media's view of you and this community as an attack on their subversive agenda and in their dishonest, insidious way, used false accusations to discredit your validity. However, I never thought they actually viewed you as genuinely unintelligent and simple. That they treated you as a threat was their subconscious way of acknowledging their fear, and ultimately, respect. Deep down they knew your message was correct and tried their hardest to prevent your message from reaching the masses.

Advocating flat-eartherism or even humoring the possibility sets a person up for complete dismissal on an intellectual level. It can undo everything. It goes from "I can't agree with this person's opinion." To, "this person's opinion is wrong/evil because I don't like it (which is where the West is now). To finally, "this person is just retarded."

While I know you're friendly with Owen, I'd wager no articles are written about him because he simply does not move the needle. He's frankly not important in the social, political, or religious online communities.
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You are technically right on this, the motion of the earth is relative. However rotation does engender a very slight force relative to gravity, 0.03% at the equator IIRC.

You can physically prove and observe the forces created by the earth rotation through Foucault's Pendulum:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum

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(11-17-2019 02:11 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  You're not going to convince me I'm theoretically spinning 1000mph right now without any proof.

When you fly on an airline you're going what like 5-600 miles an hour something like that. Why is it inside the airplane nothings flying all over the place with those immense speeds. If that's possible, maybe the earth moving at 1k and nothing flying around is possible also. Maybe it's the same principalHuh

I take it back. If you're on a Boeing Max, stuff might start flying inside the cabin.

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You are underestimating God to think that somehow the universe is less expansive than it is. And the globular earth wouldn't shews forth his glory far better than a flat disk can.

Its like shrinking an infinite God to what imagination can fit. I'd say bullshit
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(11-17-2019 03:53 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  When you fly on an airline you're going what like 5-600 miles an hour something like that. Why is it inside the airplane nothings flying all over the place with those immense speeds.

No offense, but did you ever study basic physics in high school?
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(11-17-2019 08:31 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(11-17-2019 03:53 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  When you fly on an airline you're going what like 5-600 miles an hour something like that. Why is it inside the airplane nothings flying all over the place with those immense speeds.

No offense, but did you ever study basic physics in high school?

Cant recall. That was a long time ago. I can barely remember what I ate for breakfast. Did you??

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(11-17-2019 02:11 PM)SilentOne Wrote:  ...

Stop clinging to this nonsense man. Let it go.

You're not going to convince me I'm theoretically spinning 1000mph right now without any proof.
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Does anyone else find this to be a common attitude among flat earthers and other people in the same vein?

The idea that their concession is some kind of incredible prize that everyone is desperate to win.

Well meaning people try to educate them so they can stop embarrassing themselves and the flat earthers et al mistake the transaction as a group of strangers bouncing childish theories off of a wise professor in a desperate attempt to win his approval.

It's like watching someone with down's syndrome at a club walking out of the restroom with toilet paper trailing from his pants and then thinking himself a prize when he snubs the kind girl tapping him on the shoulder trying to explain his embarrassing situation to him.

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(11-17-2019 02:54 PM)911 Wrote:  You are technically right on this, the motion of the earth is relative. However rotation does engender a very slight force relative to gravity, 0.03% at the equator IIRC.

You can physically prove and observe the forces created by the earth rotation through Foucault's Pendulum:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum

It looks like a fail experiment.

So apparently it's actually the Earth that moves under the pendulum and not the pendulum moving above the earth.

The foucault's pendulum is inconsistent. It doesn't always spin in the same direction and swings randomly. You can have two foucault's pendulum initiating at the same time that do two completely different motions.

Does the Earth also spins in different directions too? At the same time?

This foucault's pendulum looks like pseudoscience to me. Does anyone else has something that actually displays the Earth 1000mph spin?
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I'm not underestimating God. He's omnipotent and everywhere. Atheist can't exist in the other format. That's all im saying.

@Leonard D Neubache

You actually got anything productive to say oh smart one.

Can you explain the two distinctive forces of gravity? Or the Earth's 1000mph spin? I doubt you can, but humor me.
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I am talking about the evidence that God provides. How can an atheist be without excuse even as the globular evidence is true?

Or that the huge extent of the universe has been proven. It only proves God even more.

No atheist on judgment day who shuts their eyes at evidence will have any excuse.
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(11-18-2019 12:44 AM)SilentOne Wrote:  ...

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You actually got anything productive to say oh smart one.

Can you explain the two distinctive forces of gravity? Or the Earth's 1000mph spin? I doubt you can, but humor me.

No, slow kid. When you go against the grain it falls to you to provide evidence of how things such as gravity work. Others have built the most viable hypothesis based on observation.

You saying "not good enough" and offering no vaguely plausible counter-hypothesis just makes you sound like a gamma douchebag.

By the way. You've tucked toilet paper into your pants.

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Both sides of this issue have shared their views and now the debate seems to be degrading into insults, so it's best to lock this thread. Maybe in the future we can try to discuss it again without emotion.

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