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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
I have to travel a lot for business (I fly about 30x a year on average) but not too many long haul flights unless i'm visiting the U.S. from asia or something.

What really cuts the fatigue down is not staying in shithole places or flying on shitty airlines. Splurge a little if you have to. When it comes to flights that are even over 3 hours I don't mind paying extra for an upgrade.

At my age you'd have to pay me to stay in a hostel. Fuck that.

It's is either airbnb, serviced condos, or a decent mid range hotel.
11-12-2019 07:12 PM
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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
(11-12-2019 07:12 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I have to travel a lot for business (I fly about 30x a year on average)

Hot damn. And here I am complaining about usually flying like 4-6 times a year. Need to check my privilege. eek

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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
(11-11-2019 11:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 08:35 PM)TheGreatLogos Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 11:09 PM)scotian Wrote:  The thing I like about traveling as I get older is that the chicas stay the same age.

This isn't a fornication forum.

Who said anything about fornication dick head? I just arrived in Colombia and I brought a bible with me, looking forward to reading it during my trip and attending mass, likely with some chicas.

Don't call me a dickhead, you fucking faggot. You were there to have sex with "chicas". And I don't know why you think it's acceptable to mock God's Word.
11-12-2019 08:23 PM
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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
(11-12-2019 08:23 PM)TheGreatLogos Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 11:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 08:35 PM)TheGreatLogos Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 11:09 PM)scotian Wrote:  The thing I like about traveling as I get older is that the chicas stay the same age.

This isn't a fornication forum.

Who said anything about fornication dick head? I just arrived in Colombia and I brought a bible with me, looking forward to reading it during my trip and attending mass, likely with some chicas.

Don't call me a dickhead, you fucking faggot. You were there to have sex with "chicas". And I don't know why you think it's acceptable to mock God's Word.

Please don't call people names. It lowers the tone of the forum and it makes Jesus angry.

And you don't wanna see Him when He's angry.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
(11-12-2019 08:23 PM)TheGreatLogos Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 11:46 PM)scotian Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 08:35 PM)TheGreatLogos Wrote:  
(11-10-2019 11:09 PM)scotian Wrote:  The thing I like about traveling as I get older is that the chicas stay the same age.

This isn't a fornication forum.

Who said anything about fornication dick head? I just arrived in Colombia and I brought a bible with me, looking forward to reading it during my trip and attending mass, likely with some chicas.

Don't call me a dickhead, you fucking faggot. You were there to have sex with "chicas". And I don't know why you think it's acceptable to mock God's Word.

Piss right off twerp.
You are brand new here, while Scotian has been contributing pure gold for years on end.
This was a really entertaining thread before you spazzed out all over it.
Your post reads like an undercover SJW spy trying to get Scotian banned.

Also, back on topic, I’m turning 35 in a few weeks and I agree, traveling blows.
The only reason I hop on a plane is to take my kids to Disneyland, to see the joy on their innocent faces.
Otherwise I’m with you guys, pickup truck + camping.
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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
Its different for us Europeans because travelling to a new country is often only 2 hours on a train or a 1.5 hour flight. Its not really expensive or stressful so its still quite fun.

Tired of the weather in north Europe - just hope on a 40 dollar flight and go to Sicily for a week.

Want to have a mini adventure - get a train to Amsterdam and live it up for 3 days.
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(11-12-2019 10:19 PM)flyinghorse Wrote:  Its different for us Europeans because travelling to a new country is often only 2 hours on a train or a 1.5 hour flight. Its not really expensive or stressful so its still quite fun.

Tired of the weather in north Europe - just hope on a 40 dollar flight and go to Sicily for a week.

Want to have a mini adventure - get a train to Amsterdam and live it up for 3 days.

True. I would travel more if I had access to good, reliable trains. I can hop off a train after a couple of hours drinking coffee and reading or working. Walk 200m to a nice hotel and check in. Hit the spa for a swim and a steam. Afternoon apertivo in the lobby bar before getting ready for the evening.

This is pretty much the exact opposite of an airline experience. In every way. You Europeans are lucky in this regard. I used to justify it this way: If the 1 hour flight could be done with a train under 4 hours, I would take the train. Under 3 hours it was a no brainer.
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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
I don't think age makes travel harder at least not in your 40's. Perhaps as you age you get a family, a house, career, you become stuck in a rut, and you might be reluctant to head out the door. But once you are out the door, at least for me, as I get older, I am less interested in nightlife, so I have more energy in the day to do stuff I wouldn't when I was younger. It also seems that while young women in the USA seeking a future husband are sensitive to too much of an age gap, in other countries, you may seem younger to potential future wives, more exotic, so your age isn't held against you.
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(11-12-2019 02:47 PM)Laner Wrote:  The cattle system of airports.

Cattle being run down alleys through squeeze chutes are treated better and with more dignity than TSA treats its passengers. If I didn't know any better; I'd swear there was a pre employment exam, along with a low IQ test, to see how big of a jackass miserable prick of a low life human you are in your personal life to make sure you qualify to wear that blue shirt. They probly check their balls too. Make sure they're small enough.

I hate TSA with a burning passion. Burning. They make my skin crawl.

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There are several Trusted Traveller Programs that, if you are a member, you are able to travel through security and US Customs in a separate, dedicated line and with the use of a kiosk to further speed up the process.
NEXUS
NEXUS is a program for Canadian and American citizens that allows members to clear the border faster when travelling between the United States and Canada. At Pearson, NEXUS holders have a separate, dedicated line at security and at US customs.

At US Customs, Nexus holders first visit a kiosk, where their travel identification is verified and an iris scan verifies your identity. The kiosk will print out a receipt, which will then speed you through US Customs.

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Global Entry
Global Entry is a program for American citizens that allows its members to get through security and US Customs faster. Member have been pre-approved and are considered low-risk travellers.

Global Entry members use NEXUS kiosks, where they present their passport or US permanent resident card.

Travellers must be pre-approved for the Global Entry program. All applicants undergo a rigorous background check and in-person interview before enrollment.

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CANPASS
CANPASS allows members to clear the border faster when travelling into Canadian airports. This is an old program that has been replaced by the NEXUS program. CANPASS members can still use the dedicated line to clear customs more quickly.

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(11-14-2019 09:02 PM)Spectrumwalker Wrote:  
(11-12-2019 02:47 PM)Laner Wrote:  The cattle system of airports.

Cattle being run down alleys through squeeze chutes are treated better and with more dignity than TSA treats its passengers. If I didn't know any better; I'd swear there was a pre employment exam, along with a low IQ test, to see how big of a jackass miserable prick of a low life human you are in your personal life to make sure you qualify to wear that blue shirt. They probly check their balls too. Make sure they're small enough.

I hate TSA with a burning passion. Burning. They make my skin crawl.

I heard something like 90% of contraband makes it through.

I would agree. I had a knife go missing for 3 years only to turn up in my bag in Frankfurt. This was my travel bag, too. It had slipped sideways in a pocket and sat there the whole time until a German security man flagged me. I had been through probably 60 airports.
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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
I have a lot of creature comforts in my room that I really don't like leaving behind for a trip. Surround sound, window tintings, scenters, different lamps, etc. This is the only thing that feels like an obstacle to travel.
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That's pretty funny Laner. On my way to south america i have to make like usually 2 or 3 stops before going international. I always bring some different belt buckles with me and one was made out of old cut off bullet casings. I told myself damn, i gotta remember to put this in my check in, bet security wouldn't like it. Well i forgot and it ended up in my carry on. That thing went through 3 American airports. Twice through TSA xrays because I broke up my stops and overnighted somewhere. I land in Mexico City for another layover where you have to go through immigration and then go back through security to your connection. Bam. Sonsofbitches were all over me. They told me they'd confiscate it if i didn't choose to check in my carry on. I just let em have it. But i was actually pretty impressed. They were pretty sharp.

If any of you intrepid travelers are in Mexico City and see see some asshole walking around with a horseshoe belt buckle made out of bullets, offer to buy it off him. I'll pay you back tard

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11-15-2019 12:44 AM
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(11-14-2019 05:29 PM)Mister Happy Wrote:  I don't think age makes travel harder at least not in your 40's. Perhaps as you age you get a family, a house, career, you become stuck in a rut, and you might be reluctant to head out the door. But once you are out the door, at least for me, as I get older, I am less interested in nightlife, so I have more energy in the day to do stuff I wouldn't when I was younger. It also seems that while young women in the USA seeking a future husband are sensitive to too much of an age gap, in other countries, you may seem younger to potential future wives, more exotic, so your age isn't held against you.

Youthfulness makes all the difference. You can be older without having to be crusty.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
Not harder per se though there is a discernable preference shift. For instance I find myself gravitating more toward natural attractions (beaches, mountains etc.). I've also become very partial toward second and third-tier cities and towns as compared a decade ago.

No more night frolics but I'm up at five the latest each morning ready to take on the world. Things change but the world is as fascinating as it has ever been.
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(11-11-2019 05:47 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  If you travel a lot, but there's no meaning to what you're doing, I think that's what can become tiring. As you get older you can't be bothered to do stuff that has little or no meaning, and the range of things that truly satisfy you is well established and very specific, so you feel like you're tired. But it's not real tiredness, it's just disillusionment. It's not a question of less or more travel, it's a question of why you're doing it and what you're getting out of it. If it's truly fulfilling, you will have the energy.

This guy is spot on. There's gotta be a reason for you be there in the first place. My passion in life is motorcycles. I travel on my bike in search of the perfect road, the perfect conditions and the perfect partner. Futa Pass, 80 mile twisty through the Tuscany mountains between Milan and Florence is the greatest road I have found... so far.
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(11-16-2019 04:42 AM)Nord619 Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 05:47 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  If you travel a lot, but there's no meaning to what you're doing, I think that's what can become tiring. As you get older you can't be bothered to do stuff that has little or no meaning, and the range of things that truly satisfy you is well established and very specific, so you feel like you're tired. But it's not real tiredness, it's just disillusionment. It's not a question of less or more travel, it's a question of why you're doing it and what you're getting out of it. If it's truly fulfilling, you will have the energy.

This guy is spot on. There's gotta be a reason for you be there in the first place. My passion in life is motorcycles. I travel on my bike in search of the perfect road, the perfect conditions and the perfect partner. Futa Pass, 80 mile twisty through the Tuscany mountains between Milan and Florence is the greatest road I have found... so far.

Not to side track this thread, but you and I have a similar passion for moto travel. It was - and still is to some degree - my dream to ride every continent. I have a decent list going:
- Alaska to Guatemala
- Japan
- Thailand
- Australia
- Greece
- Austria, Hungary, Italy, Croatia
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One benefit of travelling that's rarely mentioned is that it creates a perception of slowing down time. Assuming there's a change in your environment, it's a significant enough event that creates a separate log in your memory. So when you look back on your past trips, even something like a weekend trip gives you the perception that you did a lot with the time you had in that past window.

As a quick example, after taking the time to reflect I can count the things I did in my life in one hand in my last *year* of university. Where did that time go, it feels like I never lived it. In stark contrast, my first trip abroad to the Dominican Republic, 18 days, I can name a couple of dozen things I did or happened to me that were interesting, and my memory of those times is much more extensive and vivid.

What does the average man accomplish in five years? Perhaps he'll get a promotion, or find a slightly better job. He'll get into a relationship with someone he thinks of marrying. Maybe he'll run a marathon. No matter the case, the average man who doesn't accomplish much nor travel at all will feel like he completely lost that time.

On the other hand. If you're someone who's actively winning (or working to get there) in life then yeah, your years will naturally have more substance. But add a handful of travel experiences to that time, and you will truly be getting more out of life, because it will *feel* like you're doing more with your time.

Too much travel of course will just wear you down, and I know some of the novelty can wear off, so my point is not in disagreement with what's been already mentioned. Just wanted to add a different perspective to the discussion.
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(11-16-2019 04:50 PM)Laner Wrote:  
(11-16-2019 04:42 AM)Nord619 Wrote:  
(11-11-2019 05:47 AM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  If you travel a lot, but there's no meaning to what you're doing, I think that's what can become tiring. As you get older you can't be bothered to do stuff that has little or no meaning, and the range of things that truly satisfy you is well established and very specific, so you feel like you're tired. But it's not real tiredness, it's just disillusionment. It's not a question of less or more travel, it's a question of why you're doing it and what you're getting out of it. If it's truly fulfilling, you will have the energy.

This guy is spot on. There's gotta be a reason for you be there in the first place. My passion in life is motorcycles. I travel on my bike in search of the perfect road, the perfect conditions and the perfect partner. Futa Pass, 80 mile twisty through the Tuscany mountains between Milan and Florence is the greatest road I have found... so far.

Not to side track this thread, but you and I have a similar passion for moto travel. It was - and still is to some degree - my dream to ride every continent. I have a decent list going:
- Alaska to Guatemala
- Japan
- Thailand
- Australia
- Greece
- Austria, Hungary, Italy, Croatia

I've rode all around Western Europe. Stunning, breath taking. Switzerland is heaven on earth for gear heads. ( I didn't enjoy paying £25 for a Big Mac though.)

My plan is to finish university (I'm doing my whole undergraduate course in Beijing, 4 years), buy a Triumph Tiger 1200 and ride from Beijing to my hometown in NE England. Then ship the bikes to Canada and travel down to Brazil. My best friend (Franco-brazilian) and girlfriend (chinese) both ride and both want to do the same trip. My GF is a movie producer. We are currently in talks with companies and her old university to sponsor the trip and make a documentary about it.



(11-17-2019 08:16 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  One benefit of travelling that's rarely mentioned is that it creates a perception of slowing down time. Assuming there's a change in your environment, it's a significant enough event that creates a separate log in your memory. So when you look back on your past trips, even something like a weekend trip gives you the perception that you did a lot with the time you had in that past window.

As a quick example, after taking the time to reflect I can count the things I did in my life in one hand in my last *year* of university. Where did that time go, it feels like I never lived it. In stark contrast, my first trip abroad to the Dominican Republic, 18 days, I can name a couple of dozen things I did or happened to me that were interesting, and my memory of those times is much more extensive and vivid.

What does the average man accomplish in five years? Perhaps he'll get a promotion, or find a slightly better job. He'll get into a relationship with someone he thinks of marrying. Maybe he'll run a marathon. No matter the case, the average man who doesn't accomplish much nor travel at all will feel like he completely lost that time.

On the other hand. If you're someone who's actively winning (or working to get there) in life then yeah, your years will naturally have more substance. But add a handful of travel experiences to that time, and you will truly be getting more out of life, because it will *feel* like you're doing more with your time.

Too much travel of course will just wear you down, and I know some of the novelty can wear off, so my point is not in disagreement with what's been already mentioned. Just wanted to add a different perspective to the discussion.

When I moved to Beijing the first two months felt like 10 years. I saw so much, met a ton of new people, started university and lived on my own for the first time ever. My hometown in England has 12,000 people. Lived in the same street all my life. It still fascinates me to ride the metro, people watch and explore a city with 25 million people. My interest in the history, infrastructure, supply chains and management of such a huge mass of people keeps the boredom to a minimum.

Travel and living in a foreign country gives you perspective which, in my opinion, can only be gained this way. I used to complain 24/7 about my hometown in England. Yeah, its not perfect, but god damn we lived a relatively simple and good lifestyle. Anywhere I can turn on the tap and drink clean delicious water is a beautiful place to live.

Travel/ living in a foreign country gave me perspective and my independence. You can't buy that. Best thing I ever done.
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The logistics are a pain in the ass, if you limit how much you move around then it’s not too bad but once you add in iner-city bus travel, taxis, etc it gets really annoying. I’m flying to Medellin from Bogota tomorrow and plan on staying for a month to limit moving around.

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Oddly enough, back when travel was more expensive and took a modicum of effort & planning, it should have been more exhausting but it wasn't. Even though I'm older, the low barrier to entry that should make everything easier instead made it much less rewarding, especially for major attractions.

Before about the mid 2000s even the popular sites took effort to see and didn't have the hordes of tourists they do now. It doesn't matter which one you visit on any continent, if it's a bus ride from a cruise ship port you'll be inundated with loud, pushy mainland Chinese, indignant Indians and obese Anglosphere & American tourists. Before everything was reduced to point & click cheap flights most of them either wouldn't have bothered or wouldn't be allowed to leave their home country.

Ever since budget airlines, electronic payment transactions and digital cameras/smartphones, travel went into lazy mode. Back when you had to think about every shot, bring enough batteries for the whole trip and make sure you made each train ride and hotel reservation on time, the risk of frustration was higher, but along with successful execution came greater satisfaction. Now it just feels like a gigantic fast food lunch with the same effects on health and sanity - might as well go to the Epcot Center.

Did I stop traveling? No, but I plan quite a bit more carefully to mitigate the negatives. I avoid any restaurant recently hailed by the NYT at the peril of being surrounded by asshat American tourists who think they've each got the inside scoop. Also, I recommend getting to whatever cultural site early before the busses leave from the free stale breakfast at the nearby Courtyard. Fortunately if it isn't the Louvre, most of the teeming masses couldn't be bothered with smaller museums, so those are a nice find, if interested. Consider off peak travel too - whatever peak that is for the crowds that visit the destination you're thinking about. Of course, the more this can be combined with or immediately following business travel, the better.

There are some sites I'm not sure I ever want to visit because even with the best planning the crowds will be ridiculous - Machu Picchu comes to mind from what I hear. Five percent of Chinese citizens have passports - that's 70 million travelers from there alone, and they all hit the road when the weather gets nice. That number is only expected to grow. They and all the rest are already lining up to take the same stupid selfie as I write. Worn out just thinking about it.

And good lord, staying in a hostel past about age 25 would be insufferable. If that's all you can afford, save your money for a bump in costs but a much better experience, or maybe pick a more affordable destination overall.

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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
As much as I enjoy going to new places, travelling is a PITA.

-trying to get cheap flights
-lack of good flight connections, overnight layovers
-trying to get reasonably priced accommodations
-long duration flights
-rude behavior of other travelers, especially on aircrafts
-language/cultural barriers
-lack of reasonably priced roaming/cellular data plans
11-17-2019 08:46 PM
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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
(11-12-2019 07:12 PM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  I have to travel a lot for business (I fly about 30x a year on average) but not too many long haul flights unless i'm visiting the U.S. from asia or something.

What really cuts the fatigue down is not staying in shithole places or flying on shitty airlines. Splurge a little if you have to. When it comes to flights that are even over 3 hours I don't mind paying extra for an upgrade.

At my age you'd have to pay me to stay in a hostel. Fuck that.

It's is either airbnb, serviced condos, or a decent mid range hotel.

As I have aged and gotten experience, I actually suffer less from altitude sickness and jetlag, but I still don't sleep as well as at home. Discipline in getting a good flight time and getting in sync with the new time zone is important. And focus on the important stuff, don't try to do too much.
11-17-2019 11:04 PM
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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
(11-17-2019 08:16 AM)Nascimento Wrote:  One benefit of travelling that's rarely mentioned is that it creates a perception of slowing down time. Assuming there's a change in your environment, it's a significant enough event that creates a separate log in your memory. So when you look back on your past trips, even something like a weekend trip gives you the perception that you did a lot with the time you had in that past window.

As a quick example, after taking the time to reflect I can count the things I did in my life in one hand in my last *year* of university. Where did that time go, it feels like I never lived it. In stark contrast, my first trip abroad to the Dominican Republic, 18 days, I can name a couple of dozen things I did or happened to me that were interesting, and my memory of those times is much more extensive and vivid.

What does the average man accomplish in five years? Perhaps he'll get a promotion, or find a slightly better job. He'll get into a relationship with someone he thinks of marrying. Maybe he'll run a marathon. No matter the case, the average man who doesn't accomplish much nor travel at all will feel like he completely lost that time.

On the other hand. If you're someone who's actively winning (or working to get there) in life then yeah, your years will naturally have more substance. But add a handful of travel experiences to that time, and you will truly be getting more out of life, because it will *feel* like you're doing more with your time.

Too much travel of course will just wear you down, and I know some of the novelty can wear off, so my point is not in disagreement with what's been already mentioned. Just wanted to add a different perspective to the discussion.

Very good insight, sir. It made me reflect and every year I do travel it does feel like an accomplishment when I think about that specific year. Also, I noticed using my GoPro helps me document my experience. At the same time, it does take away from it.
11-18-2019 12:07 AM
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RE: As you age, it gets harder to travel
Hmm.. if its with the right batch of people I enjoy it, if its just travelling for the sake of travelling, I avoid it a lot more these days since I've seen a lot of countries already, the novelty wore off a long time ago.
11-18-2019 03:37 AM
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