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#1Awful luck finding love
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-72689.html

^ Complains about not being able to find a good LTR in Spain and states that EE girls are "easier"

Cant tell if she is interested (ukraine online)
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-72855.html

^Complains about not being able to tell if this Ukrainian girl is into him or not

Tired of dating, how normal is it?
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-72666.html

^ Complains about player burnout.

Now...Attractive Ukrainian girl moves in, sets herself up to be stay at home mom and he's complaining.

OP is either

A) Troll


Or

B) Whiny bitch boy

But to Ukrainian girl

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Girl game recognized

Gamerecognized

OP you still think EE girls are easy? ...(For those that dont know EE girls are the major leagues)

Cause in case you still dont see it (assuming this story is true)...you been played playa...I mean daddy

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RE: LTR Trouble with ukrainian woman
Can't say I have much sympathy for you OP.
I'm currently in the Ukraine and I'd love to have your situation.
I'm on shaky ground with a hot 22 year old, who won't commit, acts flaky, and insists on working 60 hrs a week making spending time with her very difficult.
I get loads of offers from divorced 30 year old women with kids but I'm not marrying a divorced woman and paying for another man's offspring.
I'm 45.
The selection of available single women 22 - 30, that aren't married or in serious relationship is very small.
11-19-2019 05:41 AM
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RE: LTR Trouble with ukrainian woman
(11-18-2019 03:14 AM)luigi Wrote:  I find it funny how in a mgtow oriented forum theres people ok with marrying and having a "stay at home wife" that lives a life free of charge just for being born with a vagina. I had to say it.

Being a housewife isnt that hard... Kids are on school, my apartment takes 4 hours per week to clean or less. Rest of the day just enjoy life. Oh and she will be loyal and caring to me? She is already supposed to be for the fact of choosing to be my wife, no? Same i do with her.

She has a medical degree and -says- she wants to keep the career. We will see.

And who asked about marriage, yes we are engaged, proposed before this recent conflict. Its the only thing i could complain about her.

@Roosh i didnt know that "man pays everything" applied to 100% of women in ukraine, i thought someone who wrote that thread i linked (and others) was just angry of some ex... I never imagined it would be such a drama for them.


Being a housewife is an easy job. Being a good housewife is a difficult job.

If you've got a good one then it will make your entire life easier, far easier than her earning a few dollars.

It's such a western consumerist attitude that money is the solution. Her cooking quality meals, taking care of the children and you, keeping the house maintained and making sure the whole house is a finely tuned machine is worth far more than a bit of extra money. Especially when you factor in that a significant chunk of the money that she would earn is just going to go to daycare, so you can pay someone else to raise your children, shitty meals because no one has time to prepare proper food and the health costs of this and all the other costs that stack up from an absentee household.

It sounds like you've got a good one and that you've got the problem realising it and securing it. Honestly, each time you post my first piece of advice would be to re-read what you've written, look into the mirror and think about it, your relationship issues seem to have very little to do with your wife or where she is from.
11-19-2019 06:21 AM
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it's simple, since she got pregnant till the child is 3 years old (minimum), she should stay at home. You complain about her not working BEFORE she got pregnant. What was she doing in ukraine before? I mean, was she working?
11-20-2019 11:30 AM
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I don't see why you'd push her to work illegally. If she got caught, wouldn't she get deported? You may think it unlikely, but who's to say it wouldn't happen?
11-20-2019 01:46 PM
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(11-20-2019 11:30 AM)eck Wrote:  it's simple, since she got pregnant till the child is 3 years old (minimum), she should stay at home. You complain about her not working BEFORE she got pregnant. What was she doing in ukraine before? I mean, was she working?

Exactly. In fact, more than this.

I think it's best for the child for the mother to spend at least until they are 5 or 6 (once they are in grade 1) and only then some easy part time (10-15 hour a week) job, some 'work from home' thing like babysitting/tutoring (Russian language tutor?) OR none at all.

This would be mainly to relieve boredom and maintain social relationships at work rather than for the money. Once you subtract any cleaning, eating out/meal costs, childcare and tax you'll find you're probably better off just cutting back on expenses slightly. Not to mention how much healthier it is for children to have a mum present.

However, when you consider you'll probably have more than one kid, say 2 or 3 in somewhat close succession, then really you need to plan for her to spend the next 10 years at home full time.

Time to be a man and step up. Also, be happy - this is a good thing. Many guys here would love to be in your position.

If money is really an issue, checkout the 'FIRE' material online and start living more frugally. More basic car, eat at home more, etc.

What someone said about abortion having a huge mental health impact is true. For some women, it's OK, but for some, it can be devastating. I've seen it myself more than once.
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11-20-2019 06:23 PM
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Reply to the short version - I did not read the long one:

You have a young loving pregnant wammen. You have everyting that a man can want and you want to quit. That is insane.

I believe that stay at home mother is the ideal setup. Just rationalize your and her life so that it is cheap enough. Also increase incomes. Just read what others wrote.

On abortion: I am totally against abortion. That is baby killing.

If she seems to still love you then you have a chance to make this thing good.

The only catch is that you must not only be the beta provider but also have to act alpha. It is not easy to learn but if she still treats you like a king then it is not late yet. Maybe you were alpha for her from the first moment.

Also check if the baby is yours or not: if it is not yours then all above are cancelled and you should run ASAP. There are prenatal parental tests that work from blood of the mother and your blood: Nifty test and likes - you can have them at a number of different places. It is not cheap but worth the money.
11-21-2019 05:44 AM
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Disgraceful story, you are considering killing your child in the womb because you can't fulfill your duties as a man. You should have thought about that before you imported your Internet girlfriend.

She probably doesn't want to bother learning Spanish because she doesn't know how long you will be with her.

Two choices -

1. Work your ass off 16hrs a day if need be and give that child the life it deserves.
2. Send her back to Ukraine, you said she had friends and family there, they will make sure the kid is looked after.
11-24-2019 12:08 PM
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How much can an illegal make working in Spain anyways? Probably not that much.

If I were in your shoes my main goal would be trying to find a way to make more money and cutting expenses like crazy.

Also, work on your pull out game.

You want to know the only thing you can assume about a broken down old man? It's that he's a survivor.
11-24-2019 07:37 PM
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It's absolutely ridiculous for an established man 10 years senior to be pushing the mother of your child to be working a menial job as an illegal in a foreign country while pregnant. Have you no shame?

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Luigi give us an update please
11-27-2019 08:48 AM
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(11-27-2019 08:48 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Luigi give us an update please

Hopefully she took his computer back to Ukraine with her

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(11-27-2019 05:16 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  
(11-27-2019 08:48 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  Luigi give us an update please

Hopefully she took his computer back to Ukraine with her

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(11-24-2019 08:08 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  It's absolutely ridiculous for an established man 10 years senior to be pushing the mother of your child to be working a menial job as an illegal in a foreign country while pregnant. Have you no shame?

Oftentimes people are bashing girls for their behaviour, but look at these guys like the OP. Complete losers. They go to foreign countries because they want a hot younger girl, but they themselves are too broke to even be able to support a pregnant girlfriend who doesn't speak the language and is not legally allowed to work. Completely ridiculous.

But let's face the facts, these people like the OP are then majority of the people reading online forums about travel to foreign countries for girls. No wonder that locals start to dislike people from the West if the majority coming are the losers.
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@luigi,
When a man is confronted with a sudden existential change – such as one's partner being pregnant – it can be very jarring at first, and I understand how this may have induced a state of anxiety.

However, whatever you decide to do in the future – and it is ultimately your call – it is difficult to see how aborting your own child is going to improve matters.

Regardless of one's religious views, abortion is not the routine healthcare procedure it is sometimes made out to be: on the contrary, it's an extremely traumatic and violent operation which can leave incredible psychological and physical scars on the mother. (This is one reason why a number of countries restrict access to abortion, but not most other forms of contraception.)

Moreover, the idea that your partner having an abortion will somehow financially benefit you is tenuous at best; in fact, even in the short term, the reverse often happens – this is partly why so many cultures view children as a blessing from God, and as a solid indicator of future prosperity.

Anyway, at this level, money is a problem that can always be solved. There is no shortage of legitimate online and offline earning opportunities that can net you a bit of extra cash every month with not that much effort – more than enough to take care of one small child who for the first 2-3 years may be living largely on a diet of its mother's milk. (Plus, you would be amazed at how family, neighbours and friends help out once you have a baby.)

The old adage is that behind every great man, there's a great woman. It sounds like you have somebody very special there – do you really want to lose her, and your child, for no good reason?
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(12-01-2019 02:17 PM)Ice Wrote:  
(11-24-2019 08:08 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  It's absolutely ridiculous for an established man 10 years senior to be pushing the mother of your child to be working a menial job as an illegal in a foreign country while pregnant. Have you no shame?

Oftentimes people are bashing girls for their behaviour, but look at these guys like the OP. Complete losers. They go to foreign countries because they want a hot younger girl, but they themselves are too broke to even be able to support a pregnant girlfriend who doesn't speak the language and is not legally allowed to work. Completely ridiculous.

But let's face the facts, these people like the OP are then majority of the people reading online forums about travel to foreign countries for girls. No wonder that locals start to dislike people from the West if the majority coming are the losers.

And I want to add something to that. I often see threads about how "the White God Factor" is disappearing in foreign countries. And they blame it on Instagram and other social media. But is this development really surprising if you hear stories like the one from OP? Could it be that it's not social media, but low quality guys coming from the West?

I'm sure when OP was in Ukraine he acted entitled like he's the shit, and some locals believe the act. But then this girl experiences the truth when she's in the OP's country. Of course she will tell her friends and her parents about it. If this happens to a few people, word spreads. I can imagine many locals increasingly start seeing foreigners from the West as frauds, liars and straight up losers.

Also the question one should ask is: Why do people expect having a "White God Factor" in foreign countries, when objectively they're simply under-achievers? Of course I can understand that everyone enjoys being treated like royalty, but people also need to be honest with themselves and ask themselves if they have the traits, lifestyle, and career that would warrant such treatment.
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White God factor is alive and well. In the 20th century the majority of the places on earth that have the highest standard of living have been created and maintained by whites. Sure there are exceptions like Ukraine but America's influence as the poster child of a white society has been promoted throughout the world and for good reason. Places like America for the most part give the greatest opportunity and freedom to individuals as well as having the most stable economies and government. Hence the reason many women want to monkeybranch to a "white guy" since he has the precised ability to make a better life for her. Sure there are losers from any society but white men are predominantly associated with a higher standard of living. Ultimately your SMV will determine who you can attract as a mate, regardless of skin color, but white god factor will always help more than hurt if you appear white.
Another thing to consider is that many women give white good factor to men from the "west' for those exact same reasons plus the fact that their general behavior is more progressive in terms of politics, demeanor, and personality compared to the men of their own country. This last point plays major part in why the more affluent women of a world may choose to date outside of their own race and/or culture.
Please keep in mind that this observation comes form the perspective of an white American living in an eastern European county and it is only my personal opinion from what I have seen in my life's travels and relations.
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A lot of Western guys want it all : Finding a young female from a traditional and conservative background and at the same time, wanting her to be financially independent and sharing expenses for everything.

It's a trade-off and you gotta chose. I personally do not mind paying and taking care of a woman financially, as long as she accept that I will be the one calling the shots for everything.

She give me submission and youth and I will gave her financial security and protection.
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(12-03-2019 04:08 AM)Jeptomf Wrote:  White God factor is alive and well. In the 20th century the majority of the places on earth that have the highest standard of living have been created and maintained by whites. Sure there are exceptions like Ukraine but America's influence as the poster child of a white society has been promoted throughout the world and for good reason. Places like America for the most part give the greatest opportunity and freedom to individuals as well as having the most stable economies and government. Hence the reason many women want to monkeybranch to a "white guy" since he has the precised ability to make a better life for her. Sure there are losers from any society but white men are predominantly associated with a higher standard of living. Ultimately your SMV will determine who you can attract as a mate, regardless of skin color, but white god factor will always help more than hurt if you appear white.
Another thing to consider is that many women give white good factor to men from the "west' for those exact same reasons plus the fact that their general behavior is more progressive in terms of politics, demeanor, and personality compared to the men of their own country. This last point plays major part in why the more affluent women of a world may choose to date outside of their own race and/or culture.
Please keep in mind that this observation comes form the perspective of an white American living in an eastern European county and it is only my personal opinion from what I have seen in my life's travels and relations.

In Ukraine and Russia, the Western god factor is slowly disappearing.
Even in Thailand, Old fat white dudes and not getting top tier girls anymore.
I was in Thailand for 3 months this year...hot Thai chicks were always with White Chads.
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Man up. You got a good women and now a beautiful kid. Stop being a little bitch
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