Post: #26

(11-29-2019 02:00 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  OP didn't say they were bored. He said they want kids and the soyboys are willing to commit after 5+ years.

He said:

Quote:They simply seemed bored with their 'OK but not amazing' beta boyfriends

Post: #27

You deliberately ignored what came after that and so you're clearly not interested in the truth of the matter.

But let's go ahead and presume that these girls fron 5 year LTRs are just sex crazed sluts.

That makes perfect sense.

Post: #28

(11-29-2019 02:12 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  You deliberately ignored what came after that and so you're clearly not interested in the truth of the matter.

But let's go ahead and presume that these girls fron 5 year LTRs are just sex crazed sluts.

That makes perfect sense.

What came after was an edit. You said he never called them bored, I showed you where he did.

I never called them (or assumed they where) sex starved sluts, and I don't know where all the inflammatory language is coming from lately.

Post: #29

I just skimmed through at first and read the other posts talking about cheating so I assumed it was more besides just talking with them. Apologize for that.

But I think society is very good to judge men in cases like this. People just assume the men are the problem or that they're soyboys when in fact, as far as we know, the women themselves could be the reasons as to why these couples haven't had kids yet. Perhaps the women wanted to pursuit a career before or there are other issues that made them question these girls and delay it for whatever reason. There's not enough context for us to know.

Regardless, I don't think it's anyone else's business either. Even if these guys were "soyboys" I don't see how it would justify pursuing women who're already in relationships? Most probably OP wouldn't be thinking in these terms if the men were his own friends and he wasn't thinking this way when he was younger, so how is it just because he's gotten older and don't know the guys?

I don't see how it would be in line with Christian values.

Post: #30

This seems like an interesting situation to be in. I suggest maybe an honest conversation with one of them and just ask why not leave the current bf and be single instead of the waiting for a better deal. Would be interested to hear their response.

Post: #31

They’re not available—at least not now. Engage them in platonic conversation, and (if all goes well) some light “friendship”. Then make sure they have a way to contact you should they become free to date. (Being on social media has its uses.) Pushing for anything more while they’re still committed to others (whether or not they’re really “feeling it”) would be unethical.

Post: #32

Living in sin is not in line with Christian values. Yanking a woman out of that situation, taking her in hand and putting her back to use under God's will is perfectly Christian. An aspiring family man amoging a girl from a fruitless bum, marrying her and producing children is something to celebrate.

And perhaps my inflammatory language rubs some the wrong way but it's hard to escape noticing that the forum is fostering an ugly streak of self pity and woman-hatred. Regardless of the June schism here we can at least say that such attitudes used to be shunned systematically as the purview of losers and there's no reason for that to change now.

But unfortunately for an increasing number of aspiring MGTOW dropouts it seems that women can do nothing right. Sleep around? Whores. Stay with a bum for five long years before finally looking to skate? Whores. The increasingly depressing attitude among some men is that women at age 16 should find one man and concede to him for life without any standards regardless of whether he wants to spend 10 years playing XBox instead of marrying her and siring children.

The standard of women has dropped dramatically but so has the standard of men, and each apparently wants to dump the entirety of the blame on the other. That's why I got two whole responses on another thread when I asked for height/weight/BMI counts from men complaining that there are no decent women left to marry.

This forum turning in the direction of Christianity doesn't absolve men of the responsibility to be the best they can be in order to attract the best they can get and I for one am not going to remain silent while this place turns into a "meninist" MGTOW pity party.

Post: #33

(11-29-2019 02:42 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  I don't see how it would justify pursuing women who're already in relationships?
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I don't see how it would be in line with Christian values.

The problem is premarital sex. I don't know any passage about - thou shalt not talk to wammen who already have a "boyfriend" or a guy wanting to marry her up. Only already married wammen are protected.

The problem is not to try to "steal" not yet married women from other men but the problem is that they usually already have sex without being married.

TLDR: For this reason I do not find grabbing a "girlfriend" from an other man unethical. That is not a wife yet and protection of marriage does not apply onto them.

Post: #34

That's the point of being engaged and for that reason if I were OP then I'd steer far more clear of the engaged girl than the once who's only technically been dating for five long years.

Being engaged is a contract and even then most traditional types will deride any engagement where the marriage date fails to be set almost immediately, and to fall within the next year.

Perpetual "dating" and LTRs where the woman is kept like a stock option while her ovaries wither and dry is modern degenerate garbage. 1 year to engagement. 1 year to marriage. 1 year until the first birth. Moral women should dump any man who isn't acting on a timeline that involves marriage and children. I for one couldn't care less if she starts looking around (but doesn't act on what she finds) before she gathers the courage to dump her current bum of a boyfriend.

None of the men here in the same situation would be telling possible future female suitors to piss of and stop sniffing around them if the positions were reversed.

Post: #35

(11-29-2019 03:44 AM)JohnQThomas Wrote:  They’re not available—at least not now. Engage them in platonic conversation, and (if all goes well) some light “friendship”. Then make sure they have a way to contact you should they become free to date. (Being on social media has its uses.) Pushing for anything more while they’re still committed to others (whether or not they’re really “feeling it”) would be unethical.

Women are dumb. I don't think men realize just how dumb women really are. They don't even have any agency, and they will always make the wrong decision.

I don't consider it unethical to steal a 27 year old woman from some soyboy that won't put a bun in the oven. I don't even get the point of "dating" a woman for 5 years if you don't plan on having kids.

Post: #36

You have quotes about not commiting adultery and where it doesn't say whether it only applies to marriage. But people are good at rationalizing.

Either way it shouldn't really matter because you only need to apply The Golden Rule. The rule isn't "I can be sneaky, end relationships and pursuit women currently with other men and who are engaged if I have gotten older and if I consider them to be soy and myself as the true alpha male™". She doesn't need some rescuer since choosed to be in that relationship, after all.

I don't think anyone here would like it if some other guy was talking about your woman as being "wife-able" and had plans to talk her out of your relationship.

Is this really the kind of society we want to encourage, where there's pretty much no concept of bro code and trust?

Post: #37

(11-29-2019 05:36 AM)VNvet Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 03:44 AM)JohnQThomas Wrote:  They’re not available—at least not now. Engage them in platonic conversation, and (if all goes well) some light “friendship”. Then make sure they have a way to contact you should they become free to date. (Being on social media has its uses.) Pushing for anything more while they’re still committed to others (whether or not they’re really “feeling it”) would be unethical.

Women are dumb. I don't think men realize just how dumb women really are. They don't even have any agency, and they will always make the wrong decision.

I don't consider it unethical to steal a 27 year old woman from some soyboy that won't put a bun in the oven. I don't even get the point of "dating" a woman for 5 years if you don't plan on having kids.

I would alter dumb to malleable, which is why I harp on about moral compass. The age of degeneracy has been brought on by men. Women mould into the situation we provide them. Put them in a bad situation and they will enact bad choices. Why? Because we made that okay. Put a woman with strong morals in a good situation, and watch how quickly those red flags disappear.

Post: #38

(11-29-2019 06:38 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  ...

Is this really the kind of society we want to encourage, where there's pretty much no concept of bro code and trust?

You realise don't you that back in Biblical times there was no such thing as "dating" right? Young couples remained sexless until marriage, which was all-but arranged at a very early age. The idea of unmarried people committing "adultery" didn't even compute. Unmarried people didn't have sex outside of rape or prostitutes, period.

So based on this bro-code, when the issue is raised by these girls in conversation with OP, what is he supposed to say exactly?

Girl: "It's just that we've been together for five years now and he still hasn't proposed. I'm already 26 and I want kids but he says he's not even considering that. What do you think I should do?"

Go.

Post: #39

(11-29-2019 10:09 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(11-29-2019 06:38 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  ...

Is this really the kind of society we want to encourage, where there's pretty much no concept of bro code and trust?

You realise don't you that back in Biblical times there was no such thing as "dating" right? Young couples remained sexless until marriage, which was all-but arranged at a very early age. The idea of unmarried people committing "adultery" didn't even compute. Unmarried people didn't have sex outside of rape or prostitutes, period.

So based on this bro-code, when the issue is raised by these girls in conversation with OP, what is he supposed to say exactly?

Girl: "It's just that we've been together for five years now and he still hasn't proposed. I'm already 26 and I want kids but he says he's not even considering that. What do you think I should do?"

Go.

Simple, break up with him.

Women have moral agency too. They are not "the dumb" creatures that some posters said.

If you are not happy in a relationship because you and your partner are not on the same page regarding engagement and having children, then think about it and end it if you are sure it isn't going anywhere. Then you can go find another partner that matches what you want.

It is way more honest and respectful.

Regardless if you are a chump or not, if you deserved it or not, would you want your girlfriend to go around emitting signals to guys that she's open even though she is with you?

Post: #40

Your answer is correct though I'm not sure why NMMSB liked your post because according to him telling her to break up with the guy (thus becoming available for you) is a breach of the mythical bro-code.

Moreover on what planet are women capable of not dropping IOIs even if they try? They're half way between men and children when it comes to emotional control. Even the most honorable, well-meaning women drop IOIs on guys that aren't their husbands without even realizing it.

Finally nobody but nobody on this thread claimed that OP should start dating either of these girls while they were still in a relationship. Simply that they should be probed for honorable intent, encouraged to leave their infertile boyfriend and THEN fall into the fold of the man willing to give them children.

Post: #41

(11-29-2019 11:20 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Your answer is correct though I'm not sure why NMMSB liked your post because according to him telling her to break up with the guy (thus becoming available for you) is a breach of the mythical bro-code.

Because I agree with most of what he said and think it was reasonable.
By the way, you liked the post which just made the point that women are dumb while at the same time you had a long text about how guys here are just hating women. I thought that was more strange.

But I'd say I think there's a difference in giving genuine relationship advice to someone if they ask for it and just giving advice to someone to end a relationship because you in the back of your mind have hopes of being with her one day.

Post: #42

Just keep up your game and who cares if they leave. Get married dude.

Post: #43

Leonard do you even read what you are writing? It reeks of feminist bullshit. You are defending low grade women. You are painting these women as some kind of angels but the fact is a woman with strong morals would be a virgin until marriage and get married young and only marry a man who agrees to have children (assuming they themselves want children). They would get the man to agree to having children before marriage. A woman with her head screwed on right while save her virginity until marriage and will get married very young. That fact that these women are mid to late 20s, unmarried and having disloyal thoughts in regards to their boyfriends just proves that they are not marriage material. Pixel don't waste your time with non-virgin women in their mid to late 20s. Find a nice 18 - 20 year old virgin to marry.

Post: #44

Flip flop your clown shoes back to the impoverished nations you have to wave your cash around in to get laid. You clearly have no idea whatsoever about the marriage market dynamics in Australia and based on your post history I would give you zero point zero chances of success executing the exact same advice you just gave.

OP is 40. Are you expecting him to start hanging around high schools in a panel van?

Post: #45

(11-30-2019 07:25 AM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  Leonard do you even read what you are writing? It reeks of feminist bullshit. You are defending low grade women. You are painting these women as some kind of angels...

This year, everyone suddenly believes that marriage and children are point of existence. With that mindset, a low-notch 26 year old 9 is the catch of a lifetime for a 40 year old man regardless of her ability to commit. These women aren't moral or loyal but, if you're starting off thinking you're going to marry the first woman you can, they're as good as any other.

Also, perhaps not Leonard, but most of the men on here talking about how you should man up and get married have at least one divorce under their belt or haven't been married for very long. If men on this forum can't beat the divorce odds, perhaps they can't be beaten.

I just want to know where boring soy boys are landing 9s without any commitment.

Post: #46

Leonard obviously a 41 year old guy is not going to marry an 18 - 20 year old virgin in Australia. That is not realistic. There are plenty of countries where it is a realistic option assuming he is in good shape, looks good and has a decent amount of money. If he wants to marry the 18 - 20 year old virgin he should move to another country and stay there. Why on earth would any man want to be married in Australia? That is just asking for trouble.

Post: #47

(11-30-2019 01:31 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Also, perhaps not Leonard, but most of the men on here talking about how you should man up and get married have at least one divorce under their belt or haven't been married for very long. If men on this forum can't beat the divorce odds, perhaps they can't be beaten.

This is very perceptive.

Post: #48

(11-27-2019 11:45 PM)PixelFree Wrote:  Counter to this would be if I were to start a family with them soon their ability/motivation to do this drops a lot.

I wish guys at RVF, and everywhere else, would understand how untrue this statement is. Married women who have kids cheat all the frigging time. They break up their families all the frigging time. They introduce their kids to a series of boyfriends/stepfathers all the frigging time.

They aren't necessarily less inclined than anyone else to cheat/monkeybranch. They're perhaps more inclined.

Women get bored easily. Their beta provider (father of their kids) gets busy with work, he gets pudgy, he tries to make his wife happy, he believes her when she says he should do more housework. He becomes BORING. A lot of this is inevitable no matter how much game you think you have. The guy building a swingset is inherently less exciting than Chad on a Harley.

I would not go anywhere near a woman who shows signs of monkeybranching or disloyalty. The risks are high enough already. You don't need a proven monkeybrancher.

NEXT!

Post: #49

(11-30-2019 03:02 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  But I'd say I think there's a difference in giving genuine relationship advice to someone if they ask for it and just giving advice to someone to end a relationship because you in the back of your mind have hopes of being with her one day.

Which is why men and women can't really be friends as When Harry Met Sally shows. There is always an ulterior motive.

Post: #50

Great replies so far. I'll add my two cents and say that if I were in your position, I would look for a single, under 23 y.o woman first before looking to commit to a desperate mid 20s woman trying to find a guilt-free feel-good way out of her current, sterile relationship. If your value is as good as you, and apparently these women are making it out to be, why not put that value to good use and try and find a younger woman with the least baggage possible?

If a single, younger woman is not in the cards, then as many users have posted already, make sure you vet the girl you decide to pick thoroughly. Make it clear that you are looking to marry/have children/settle down with and not merely be a beta bux provider for her entertainment.

I just got out of my last relationship that lasted over 2 years recently where the woman monkey-branched to me. There were many reasons for this( I initiated the breakup), but to keep it on topic with this thread, I had to deal with a crazy beta "man" who was extremely upset that she broke off the relationship. Similar to your case, they were together for years, but he was never serious about marriage/children. Once she broke it off, he was obsessed with her and would not stop texting-emailing for months. She would block his number and he would get one of those online # spoofs and keep texting. When he found out she was with me soon after, it only made attempts to contact her worse. At one point, he threatened to attack her, but nothing came out from that thankfully. Needless to say, i was in a state of anxiety watching my and her back the first couple of months...not fun. Thankfully it subsided within 5 months or so and he stopped completely (as far as I knew)

Now, seeing how these younger men are probably on the naive-beta side, are you ready to deal with a man who is upset that his GF just broke up with him? Seeing how the women are the upset ones in the relationship, you can rest assured that the man will be the one hurt most and be the needy "please lets talk just one more time" type...it may not happen in your situation, but I am giving you fair warning as I was in a similar position to you and actually went through with it. Heck, you might luck out and nothing like the above happens. I personally learned my lesson, and would never get with a girl who monkey-branches to me ever again... But in any case, good luck.