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Freemasonry - History, Influence, Symbology, Thought
I recently read a short 70 page Book "Why Catholics can not be Masons" by John Salza which provided me with a high level understanding of Freemasonic rituals and thought. Freemasonry has been condemned by the Catholic Church yet its influences in the world seem constant, and may have infiltrated the RCC.

My general take was that Freemasons aim to subvert Christianity in many ways, primarily by putting Jesus Christ on equal ground with other Religions and a Doctrine of Salvation through Works (alone).

I know this is a deep topic, but one that members on the forum are likely knowledgeable about, or should be.

A friend shared this video with me, it alerted me that these obelisks which are so common, are freemasonic and demonic.



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12-02-2019 04:24 PM
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^ Forum member, Witcoff has authored a book "on the masons and their lies" I believe.

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12-02-2019 07:32 PM
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Yes I was thinking of buying it actually but I found a cheap one at my Church Bookstore and it seemed straightforward and no shipping. I have an old buddy I'd like to talk to about this stuff, because he is a member. Now that I read the short book, I might consider reading it.

I found their oaths interesting. They do not really know the oaths they will have to swear beforehand, so they swear them and basically put a curse on themselves. In some cases there is a weapon pointed on them.

An old pal of mine is a Shriner, which is some sort of muslim offshoot of the Masons. So I am thinking maybe I should look into that next. But I will give him the book, tell him I read it and that he should read it. Maybe I will join Knights of Columbus to get him out of it.

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Do not look into it; that is what they want. Initiation without consent is a real thing. Freemasonry is a demonic affair only to be avoided at all cost.

I know they have their lodges in every town (most without members) but they control through their spells.

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One of the most important things, in my opinion, we must do to counteract the influence of freemasonry and likewise any other occult/esoteric group, is to reclaim the symbols they have taken for themselves. The symbols are actually very much important and it's why they are used. Western Christianity unfortunately has pretty much handed the symbols to the enemy. Two examples:

The pyramid with the eye at the top - we all know it, we have all been instructed on its esoteric meaning. But in fact, could there be a more perfect symbol for the triune God? The Father at the top and the Son and Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father. It's also, obviously, the structure of reality as hierarchy.

'As above so below'
- Mage was always spouting this against Christianity but to anyone who reads the Gospels with an open heart it should be obvious that Christ is the ultimate representation of this principle - the joining of Heaven and Earth, Life and Death, and so on. He even codified it in the Lord's Prayer. 'Our Father who art in Heaven, Hallowed by thy Name, Thy Kingdom Come, They will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven'.

So do not be frightened by their symbols. This is how they win, by stealing the subtext from reality, and it's why everything in Hollywood uses it - they take its power, and subvert it. This is why it's important for Christians to reclaim it. Eastern Christianity was able to keep it, and it's no surprise their hierarchies are much less prone to subversion - they kept the underlying structure of reality in their rituals and symbols, while the West succumbed to materialism and has pretty much thrown it away only for its enemies to use their power against us.

Here's a crosier (staff) from an Orthodox Bishop - it has two serpents facing each other. The materialist evangelical worldview sees occultism, when in fact its symbolism is a powerful Christian mystical statement:

[Image: Bishop-Vladimir-sokolovsky.jpg]

Here's an explanation.

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My father was a Mason as well as a Christian. I love the speculation and conspiracy theories by people who have never been asked to join or don't know anyone who is a member or who are not a member themselves. Keep up the good work guys!
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(12-03-2019 10:34 AM)Jeptomf Wrote:  My father was a Mason as well as a Christian. I love the speculation and conspiracy theories by people who have never been asked to join or don't know anyone who is a member or who are not a member themselves. Keep up the good work guys!

You can not be a Mason and a Christian. To become a Mason you must swear an oath which goes against the first commandment. Masonry puts other religions on the same level as Christianity. A mason can swear to any deity (eg. Hindu) in their sacraments, than be saved through his works. Its in direct contradiction to the Bible.

Masons' are taught to show their charitable side to the public, and to be dismissive of anything regarding their ceremonies as 'conspiratorial'.

I am glad I have never been asked. Its not an honour its a curse.

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(12-02-2019 07:32 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  ^ Forum member, Witcoff has authored a book "on the masons and their lies" I believe.

He also did an interview on it, which is excellent.



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Michael did an interview with EMJones among other things talking about the Freemasons:





Freemasonry is to this day important to the control and power of the elite. They shifted now more to corporations and various NGO groups, but Freemasonry is not truly gone in politics and all government branches. Even in some issues like selecting the next CEO you later find out that the brother selected rather the other the other brother against the better candidates.
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RE: Freemasonry - History, Influence, Symbology, Thought
Has anyone seen this documentary?

Pretty interesting vid so far. I was watching various episodes
- Stalin was a Jew
- How Holdomor was covered up.
- Jewish Bankers Robbing Russian between 1918 - 22
- Germany was defending Christianity
- Hitler Makes a deal with the Pope to defend Christianity, in return the Pope disbands a Centre party which was very Catholic but 'inflitrated'
- Christianity and Catholicism took a post WW2 nosedive, the producer is sede vacante
- SS formed based on Teutonic Knighthood
- Details on Libyan CIA methods
- Movie producer killed for showing Mason as Executioner in Futuristic American Dystopia




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These types are just one suction cup on the tentacle of the devil's human puppets. Their lies and confusion remain, like the burning heretics forever sealed in flaming tombs, from Jehoshaphat until the Last Judgment, they return with the bodies they left above. All of us, when standing before the radiant Father, will know our life's journey.

What could have been over a decade ago, never came to be. I am glad that I never went forward with applying to be one of these revilers of God. I second ilostabet's post. The enemy cannot create, they can only subvert, and usurp, and manipulate, and contort. All manner of deception. Remember that. Good in nature creates, evil twists.

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(02-19-2020 11:33 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  Has anyone seen this documentary?


- Stalin was a Jew





Wasn't Stalin a russian National frontman/patsy for the communists though ?

I've heard talk of people saying he tried to revert some of the damage that had been done via jewish communism later in life and the bolsheviks attempted to assasinate him.

not sure how true that is though

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(02-20-2020 02:17 AM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  These types are just one suction cup on the tentacle of the devil's human puppets. Their lies and confusion remain, like the burning heretics forever sealed in flaming tombs, from Jehoshaphat until the Last Judgment, they return with the bodies they left above. All of us, when standing before the radiant Father, will know our life's journey.

What could have been over a decade ago, never came to be. I am glad that I never went forward with applying to be one of these revilers of God. I second ilostabet's post. The enemy cannot create, they can only subvert, and usurp, and manipulate, and contort. All manner of deception. Remember that. Good in nature creates, evil twists.

I am surprised how many Masons there are, and Shriners. Most act like its all fine.
Recently, someone told me he was a mason who was a Catholic. I informed him that is defacto ex communication from the Church. But apparently some Priest told him that if he was a lower level it was all fine.

(02-20-2020 03:31 AM)pitbullowner Wrote:  Wasn't Stalin a russian National frontman/patsy for the communists though ?
I've heard talk of people saying he tried to revert some of the damage that had been done via jewish communism later in life and the bolsheviks attempted to assasinate him.
not sure how true that is though

The movie makes a case that he was from a Jewish area of Georgia, and goes to an analysis of his mothers name.
I know he was a Priest who defected, a bank robber, a Bolshevik, an organizational mastermind, and if I recall according to his daughter cursed God on his deathbed.
I have also heard that he was a pushback against the Jewish control of communism as well.
I really can't say he was a Jew, I was more giving a breakdown of some of the Movies assertions.

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(02-20-2020 10:46 AM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  
(02-20-2020 02:17 AM)MusicForThePiano Wrote:  These types are just one suction cup on the tentacle of the devil's human puppets. Their lies and confusion remain, like the burning heretics forever sealed in flaming tombs, from Jehoshaphat until the Last Judgment, they return with the bodies they left above. All of us, when standing before the radiant Father, will know our life's journey.

What could have been over a decade ago, never came to be. I am glad that I never went forward with applying to be one of these revilers of God. I second ilostabet's post. The enemy cannot create, they can only subvert, and usurp, and manipulate, and contort. All manner of deception. Remember that. Good in nature creates, evil twists.

I am surprised how many Masons there are, and Shriners. Most act like its all fine.
Recently, someone told me he was a mason who was a Catholic. I informed him that is defacto ex communication from the Church. But apparently some Priest told him that if he was a lower level it was all fine.

(02-20-2020 03:31 AM)pitbullowner Wrote:  Wasn't Stalin a russian National frontman/patsy for the communists though ?
I've heard talk of people saying he tried to revert some of the damage that had been done via jewish communism later in life and the bolsheviks attempted to assasinate him.
not sure how true that is though

The movie makes a case that he was from a Jewish area of Georgia, and goes to an analysis of his mothers name.
I know he was a Priest who defected, a bank robber, a Bolshevik, an organizational mastermind, and if I recall according to his daughter cursed God on his deathbed.
I have also heard that he was a pushback against the Jewish control of communism as well.
I really can't say he was a Jew, I was more giving a breakdown of some of the Movies assertions.

I heard that one of Stalin's wives as jewish, which means that there was some (((henpecking))) encouragement to wipe out all those Orthodox gentiles. Either way he orchestrated mass genocide (real genocide not (((genocide)))) and despite whatever ills the peasants had against the Czars, they were better off with them than they were with that crap death ideology.

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The beliefs of Masons span the entire spectrum of culture and politics, so somebody’s membership alone isn’t indicative of their thoughts on those things. There were Masonic slaveholders and Masonic abolitionists, even at high levels, throughout American history.

You’re not even allowed to discuss religion or politics in the Lodge, as they are considered divisive topics.

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Also @Jeptomf:

I’m not some random person who wrote “conspiracy theories” on a topic I know nothing about. I was an officer in four Masonic bodies when I demitted (left the fraternity), then wrote the book afterward. As a general rule, I’ve found that people who think Masonry is compatible with Christianity don’t really understand either one.

The very earliest Masonry May have had a more Christian angle to it, but by 1725, occultists had infiltrated the Lodge and begun to introduce Hermetic symbolism into the rituals. If you read literally *any* book on symbolic philosophy written by a 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Mason, you will find every heresy and deception that the Church Fathers warned about and wrote against.

The short version of the difference is that Christianity preaches Godly theosis and Masonry preaches pagan apotheosis (but you have to do a lot of digging to realize what’s actually being taught, since they deliberately mislead low-level members).

High-level Masons have nothing but disdain for faithful Christians, who they view as primitive rubes too stupid to understand the (non-existent) “secret teachings of the Bible.”

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I'm not sure where to ask this question, so I'll just slap it down here:

What's everyone's opinion on books like Think & Grow Rich or The Secret (haven't read this lol) and other Law of Attraction stuff?

They seem like good books that have helped a lot of people achieve success and keep a positive mindset etc., but they also seem like just a hop and a skip away from introductory occult books like The Kybalion, which is just a hop and a skip away from studying Kabbalah or joining a mystery school or reading books by Manly P. Hall or Albert Pike or Crowley (please no) etc., which is just a hop and a skip away from conducting rituals and dressing like the dudes in Eyes Wide Shut.

Of course, plenty of people have read Think & Grow Rich and then got on with their lives, so I hope I'm not being too alarmist.
Edit: Grammar.
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They are watered-down and mass-marketed versions of what people learn in certain mystery schools. Basically initiates finding a way to profit off what they’ve learned by giving those lessons wide appeal and then selling them to the public, which “initiates” the people reading and practicing that material without their really understanding what’s happening. Essentially it’s demonic marketing en masse, duping the greedy into opening spiritual doors that allow dark entities to enter.

If you look at photos of the biggest names in that vein of self help, Napoleon Hill and Neville Goddard for example, you will see their faces have the exact same “satanic mask” (black eyes and no expression) that JD Buck and Albert Pike also had. It’s not coincidence.

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Interesting that you mentioned that. I've noticed a while back that there's something seriously weird and creepy going on with the eyes & face of several of these authors. (e.g. Here's one of Paramhansa Yogananda that gave me pause: Feel free to not click)

It was off-putting because I've never seen that type of, almost predatory, look in my day to day life, but I thought it was just me.

Edit: Also I thought it might have just been bad lighting.
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