Read The Forum Rules: We have a clear set of rules to keep the forum running smoothly. Click here to review them.

Post Reply 
Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
Author Message
Snag87 Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 132
Joined: Nov 2018
Reputation: 0
Post: #1
Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
There's a well known strategy in the manosphere that men seeking a LTR should date down. Supposedly this will counteract the hypergamous nature of women and increase the odds of a successful relationship.

I agree to a degree, but I think there's a caveat for truly high value men. My reasoning is that the higher collective value of a couple the less opportunity for hypergamous behavior.

For example which is more likely (grading on a numerical scale for simplicity.)

A. A women who's an 9 being satisfied in a relationship with a male 8.5

B. A women who's a 5.5 being satisfied with a male 5.5

C. A women who's a 3.5 being satisfied with a male 3.5

I think example A is by far the most likely. The higher the value the lower the amount of more desirable options. Furthermore, the higher value options (9+ males) will be so in demand that a woman may be suspicious they'd enter a monogamous relationship.

In closing my belief is high value men should seek a partner with similar SMV; mid-tier men should seek a partner with lower SMV; low-teir men shouldn't seek a partner at all.
12-08-2019 11:21 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes Snag87's post:
gework
Easy_C Offline
Crow
*****

Posts: 4,374
Joined: Oct 2014
Reputation: 29
Post: #2
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
No.

Character first, looks "whatever". To be perfectly frank she doesn't need to be smoking hot as long as you like her and just because a girl is a "10" doesn't mean every dude is going to find that particular chick attractive.

Example: there's plenty of "hot" women I find fugly because I can't stand either tats or collagen-injected lips.
12-08-2019 11:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 2 users Like Easy_C's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, d'Aversa
whitewashedblackguy Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 325
Joined: Sep 2018
Reputation: 4
Post: #3
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
No. It’s probably better to avoid the rating system all together. Besides that, low tier men can get to mid or high tier based on status, money, game, lifestyle, fitness, etc. There’s no glass ceiling over low tier. The only way to be a true low tier man is to not even try.

After talking to a young lady for a while, she told me “Even though your skin is black, I can tell your heart is white.”
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2019 11:43 PM by whitewashedblackguy.)
12-08-2019 11:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes whitewashedblackguy's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel
Snag87 Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 132
Joined: Nov 2018
Reputation: 0
Post: #4
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
Then they aren't low tier. I wasn't grading solely on looks
12-08-2019 11:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
RDF Online
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 410
Joined: Jul 2014
Reputation: 17
Post: #5
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
No. Men should look for the highest value partner that they are excited to be with (whether it is looks, personality, or a combination of both hopefully). I think any relationship where you settle for somebody clearly below your value and you are aware of it is doomed to fail. You'll never be happy and it will show.

(12-08-2019 11:21 PM)Snag87 Wrote:  In closing my belief is high value men should seek a partner with similar SMV; mid-tier men should seek a partner with lower SMV; low-teir men shouldn't seek a partner at all.

Why not?
Yesterday 02:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like RDF's post:
gework, questor70, Handsome Creepy Eel
Snag87 Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 132
Joined: Nov 2018
Reputation: 0
Post: #6
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
Why not?

A couple of reasons. I believe the overwhelming majority of men have the ability to obtain at minimum mid-tier SMV status. Thus if you're low-tier your primary focus should be self-improvement.

If you are going to enter the dating market as a low-tier male what are your options? Women very seldom date down. A male 3 will be lucky to lock down a female 3. With those grim prospects I'd prefer to stay single.
Yesterday 02:42 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes Snag87's post:
whitewashedblackguy
No More Mr. Soy Boy Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 485
Joined: Jul 2018
Reputation: 6
Post: #7
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
The biggest MGTOW-guy around today just made a video on this topic:





I think he made some good points that are worth thinking about:

- In all relationships there's kind of an asymmetry of power. Both men and women tend to be as loyal as the options available to them and the trade off with a less attractive woman is that she'll probably be more loyal, easier to deal with because the asymmetry of power is to the man's advantage.

- Attraction fades. Eventually it will become old to even bang a super hot girl. So eventually you will be left with someone you either get along with or not.

- If you look at most older successful couples who stayed together for a long time and had a happy marriage, most of them were probably not based on raw attraction but on values, good cooperation, matching personalities and maybe common interests.

- For most of human history men and women usually never spent like 40 years together with a single person so it made more sense to value looks more since it was mostly about popping out kids with good genetics and not dealing with everyday life. Just because she looks good doesn't mean you'll get along well.

- With a less pretty woman it's easier to get the upper hand in the relationship since the power belongs to the one that cares the least.

His fundamental point was basically that lowering looks standards is a useful tool that could access other things that could be beneficial for a long term relationship because when you put too much focus on the primal instinct and her looks you usually set a side other considerations and give her behaviour a pass for things you wouldn't accept with less hot girls.
Yesterday 02:54 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like No More Mr. Soy Boy's post:
Thriller, D'Kora Koloth, Kid Twist
gework Offline
Pelican
****
Gold Member

Posts: 1,387
Joined: Apr 2017
Reputation: 71
Post: #8
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
(Yesterday 02:10 AM)RDF Wrote:  No. Men should look for the highest value partner that they are excited to be with (whether it is looks, personality, or a combination of both hopefully). I think any relationship where you settle for somebody clearly below your value and you are aware of it is doomed to fail. You'll never be happy and it will show.

Was just talking about this topic. I know a guy. A 6 (looks), who could have been an ~8 if he played his cards differently. He decided to uproot for a really low quality woman. The type of woman who is so awful she couldn't even get a job a Jezabel. She is or has been a self-harmer, ridiculous left-wing views, dresses like a tramp. This guy uprooted and has cut himself off from all of his friends to settle with her. Now he has no friends. He devalued himself for her and now he's quickly approaching an all-round 3. Soy grin, his personality has deteriorated into a bitter, lefty looser who is constantly sniping at people.

This guy has no conscious idea of what is going on, but deep down he knows he's a fag who sold himself out to lock down low-end pussy.

You cannot avoid devaluing yourself if you sell out to a low value woman. You know it and everyone around you knows it. And if there is a big enough gap you will be the endless subject of gossip.

I know one guy who is a 6 in looks and her ended up with a whale 22 years older than him. She's a 1 or a 2. No one will tell him to his face, but if he ever comes up, no one takes such a genetic sell-sword seriously. I even hear his own family dissing him.

As mentioned in another thread if you are trading down your physical SMV and settling for a lower value women, you children will see that and their genes will degrade until they fall to the level of troglodytes.

The biggest hit I'd take is a -1 on looks, for a woman of The Lord. And then she's got to keep herself in shape.
(This post was last modified: Yesterday 03:27 AM by gework.)
Yesterday 03:25 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes gework's post:
Thriller
ErEsserman Offline
Pigeon

Posts: 7
Joined: Dec 2019
Reputation: 0
Post: #9
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
(Yesterday 03:25 AM)gework Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:10 AM)RDF Wrote:  No. Men should look for the highest value partner that they are excited to be with (whether it is looks, personality, or a combination of both hopefully). I think any relationship where you settle for somebody clearly below your value and you are aware of it is doomed to fail. You'll never be happy and it will show.

Was just talking about this topic. I know a guy. A 6 (looks), who could have been an ~8 if he played his cards differently. He decided to uproot for a really low quality woman. The type of woman who is so awful she couldn't even get a job a Jezabel. She is or has been a self-harmer, ridiculous left-wing views, dresses like a tramp. This guy uprooted and has cut himself off from all of his friends to settle with her. Now he has no friends. He devalued himself for her and now he's quickly approaching an all-round 3. Soy grin, his personality has deteriorated into a bitter, lefty looser who is constantly sniping at people.

This guy has no conscious idea of what is going on, but deep down he knows he's a fag who sold himself out to lock down low-end pussy.

You cannot avoid devaluing yourself if you sell out to a low value woman. You know it and everyone around you knows it. And if there is a big enough gap you will be the endless subject of gossip.

I know one guy who is a 6 in looks and her ended up with a whale 22 years older than him. She's a 1 or a 2. No one will tell him to his face, but if he ever comes up, no one takes such a genetic sell-sword seriously. I even hear his own family dissing him.

As mentioned in another thread if you are trading down your physical SMV and settling for a lower value women, you children will see that and their genes will degrade until they fall to the level of troglodytes.

The biggest hit I'd take is a -1 on looks, for a woman of The Lord. And then she's got to keep herself in shape.
A lot of guys do that because they believe that women better looking than them will ALWAYS try to cheat on them. AWALT. I notice that most "blackpilled" guys believe that women are manipulative and deceptive, and it's less risky to date less attractive women with low self-esteem.
Yesterday 03:42 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Vladimir Poontang Offline
Ostrich
****

Posts: 1,768
Joined: Feb 2017
Reputation: 30
Post: #10
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
You have to remember that how high a girl rates herself plays a big part. A 9 who thinks she's a 6 isn't the same as a 9 who knows she's a 9. The former is course preferable. Also your level of options, or at least what she perceives to be your level of options, makes a difference.

So if you're more or less a 7 or 8, and you're with a girl who's a 9 but thinks she's a 6 (due to there being such an abundance of 9s all around, plus being in a humble culture), and you give even the slightest impression of having options, then it's all good. It even buys you some slack, allowing you to be yourself instead of constantly pretending not to care about losing her.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

Inspired Expat - Expat Lifestyle Discussion : https://inspiredexpat.forumotion.com/
Useful Links : http://inspiredentrepreneur.weebly.com/
Yesterday 04:09 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 3 users Like Vladimir Poontang's post:
Thriller, Handsome Creepy Eel, Kid Twist
Leonard D Neubache Offline
Owl
******
Gold Member

Posts: 12,149
Joined: Mar 2016
Reputation: 210
Post: #11
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
Can we please issue a fatwa on having more than one of these shitty threads active at a time?

God demands of Man responsibility. God demands of Woman vulnerability. These are their curse and blessing alike. Libertianism is to Man as Feminism is to Woman.
Yesterday 07:05 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like Leonard D Neubache's post:
Buck Wild, Dream Medicine, PapayaTapper, Handsome Creepy Eel
whitewashedblackguy Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 325
Joined: Sep 2018
Reputation: 4
Post: #12
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
(Yesterday 02:42 AM)Snag87 Wrote:  Why not?

A couple of reasons. I believe the overwhelming majority of men have the ability to obtain at minimum mid-tier SMV status. Thus if you're low-tier your primary focus should be self-improvement.

If you are going to enter the dating market as a low-tier male what are your options? Women very seldom date down. A male 3 will be lucky to lock down a female 3. With those grim prospects I'd prefer to stay single.

Yep.

After talking to a young lady for a while, she told me “Even though your skin is black, I can tell your heart is white.”
Yesterday 07:59 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
WombRaider Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 266
Joined: Mar 2018
Reputation: 5
Post: #13
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
(Yesterday 02:42 AM)Snag87 Wrote:  If you are going to enter the dating market as a low-tier male what are your options? Women very seldom date down. A male 3 will be lucky to lock down a female 3. With those grim prospects I'd prefer to stay single.

Have you not ever been to Walmart?

Male 3s match with female 1s and 2s. I can't speak to what low-tier men "should" do, but in reality, there appears to be a thriving sub-average dating market. The majority don't become incels but, rather, find a partner of roughly equivalent (or lower) looks and status.

Go find you a 4.
Yesterday 10:44 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
whitewashedblackguy Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 325
Joined: Sep 2018
Reputation: 4
Post: #14
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
Yea, but snag rather not partake in that market, if those were his only options

After talking to a young lady for a while, she told me “Even though your skin is black, I can tell your heart is white.”
Yesterday 11:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Snag87 Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 132
Joined: Nov 2018
Reputation: 0
Post: #15
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
Yup I never questioned that. I don't see anything wrong with matching with a 1 or 2 if that's your best option; I'd just choose to stay simple. Purely personal preference
Yesterday 11:53 AM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
PapayaTapper Away
Crow
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 5,139
Joined: Mar 2014
Reputation: 152
Post: #16
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
(Yesterday 10:44 AM)WombRaider Wrote:   there appears to be a thriving sub-average dating market.

And they seem to increasingly be finding their way to RVF to start repetitive asinine discussions.

(Yesterday 07:05 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Can we please issue a fatwa on having more than one of these shitty threads active at a time?



I suggest one master thread along the lines of:

"The Loser Gene"

Or

"How To Win At Being Less Than You Can Be"


tard

_______________________________________
- Does She Have The "Happy Gene" ?
-Inversion Therapy
-Let's lead by example


"Leap, and the net will appear". John Burroughs

"The big question is whether you are going to be able to say a hearty yes to your adventure."
Joseph Campbell
(This post was last modified: Yesterday 12:32 PM by PapayaTapper.)
Yesterday 12:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 5 users Like PapayaTapper's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, arafat scarf, whitewashedblackguy, Cyr, Leonard D Neubache
BlastbeatCasanova Offline
Kingfisher
***

Posts: 621
Joined: Dec 2017
Reputation: 4
Post: #17
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
Men should shoot for the highest quality mate they can get, while taking into account personality and other things outside of looks. It’s what nature intended.
Yesterday 12:27 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes BlastbeatCasanova's post:
D'Kora Koloth
WombRaider Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 266
Joined: Mar 2018
Reputation: 5
Post: #18
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
(12-08-2019 11:21 PM)Snag87 Wrote:  In closing my belief is high value men should seek a partner with similar SMV;

I don't think a male 9 should date female 9s. A female 9 is getting hit up from every angle by very high-value men, and the chances that she can resist all the temptation and be held in check by a male 9 are slim. Her opportunities are beyond what mere mortals can conceive of.

A male 9 will be best off with a female 7 or even a 6.

How it's done:

[Image: f2a678ebe65e871c5d1a3ff9c537c50d?width=316]

Go find you a 4.
Yesterday 12:51 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes WombRaider's post:
Ouroboros
PapayaTapper Away
Crow
*****
Gold Member

Posts: 5,139
Joined: Mar 2014
Reputation: 152
Post: #19
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
^ Wheres the woman in that picture? All I see is a dude and his blue ribbon show pig

_______________________________________
- Does She Have The "Happy Gene" ?
-Inversion Therapy
-Let's lead by example


"Leap, and the net will appear". John Burroughs

"The big question is whether you are going to be able to say a hearty yes to your adventure."
Joseph Campbell
(This post was last modified: Yesterday 01:04 PM by PapayaTapper.)
Yesterday 01:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 7 users Like PapayaTapper's post:
Handsome Creepy Eel, arafat scarf, whitewashedblackguy, Cyr, Soothesayer, BlastbeatCasanova, Leonard D Neubache
Snag87 Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 132
Joined: Nov 2018
Reputation: 0
Post: #20
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
Haha yea that's no 6; 5 at best.
Yesterday 01:28 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
d'Aversa Offline
Robin
*

Posts: 222
Joined: Oct 2019
Reputation: 4
Post: #21
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
(Yesterday 02:54 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  - In all relationships there's kind of an asymmetry of power. Both men and women tend to be as loyal as the options available to them and the trade off with a less attractive woman is that she'll probably be more loyal, easier to deal with because the asymmetry of power is to the man's advantage.

Who said that a prettier woman has more "power"? A woman has as much power as a man gives her, consciously or not.
Yesterday 02:13 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 4 users Like d'Aversa's post:
whitewashedblackguy, No More Mr. Soy Boy, Kid Twist, Leonard D Neubache
whitewashedblackguy Offline
Woodpecker
**

Posts: 325
Joined: Sep 2018
Reputation: 4
Post: #22
RE: Should high value men seek a lower SMV partner?
(Yesterday 02:13 PM)dAversa Wrote:  
(Yesterday 02:54 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  - In all relationships there's kind of an asymmetry of power. Both men and women tend to be as loyal as the options available to them and the trade off with a less attractive woman is that she'll probably be more loyal, easier to deal with because the asymmetry of power is to the man's advantage.

Who said that a prettier woman has more "power"? A woman has as much power as a man gives her, consciously or not.

A women's power is a social construct.

After talking to a young lady for a while, she told me “Even though your skin is black, I can tell your heart is white.”
Yesterday 02:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[-] The following 1 user Likes whitewashedblackguy's post:
Kid Twist
Post Reply 


Possibly Related Threads...
Thread: Author Replies: Views: Last Post
  Traits of the most convenient Wife/Life partner for a Man with Purpose Attila 2 931 11-30-2019 02:55 AM
Last Post: bigbeardedman

Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 3 Guest(s)

Contact Us | RooshV.com | Return to Top | Return to Content | Mobile Version | RSS Syndication