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(12-22-2019 01:38 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  Simeon I am not disputing that IQ makes a difference. What I am disputing is that you can't have a successful country with a lower IQ population.

That is like telling a short guy he can never marry a beautiful woman. Sure its harder for him than a tall guy all other things equal but all other things are never equal.

If the short guy maximizes his game, his looks, his style, his wealth, his social circle and moves to the right location he can still easily marry a beautiful woman and live a happy life.

Especially in this day and age of increasing technology where labour is becoming increasingly less and less important (hence reducing the usefulness of past comparisons), then the IQ of the population is just just one factor among many.

Look at some of the Arab countries (not especially high IQ native populations) e.g. Dubai that are doing well, yes they had oil but they didn't squander it like Venezuelans. They also imported plenty of foreigners, such as lawyers, engineers, town planners, etc. to get the best talent whenever needed.

Even if you have a low IQ population if you create an attractive climate by building infrastructure, having low taxes, a business friendly environment, secure property rights, clamping down on crime, etc Then you can attract foreign capital and if you have the right immigration policy (coupled with all of the above) you can attract vast numbers of hardworking intelligent foreigners. If after 100 years your society is more than 50% handpicked, well screened foreigners, who cares really if it has led you to a successful society. And just because historical examples of what I am saying are rare it doesn't mean it cannot be done. Especially given the dwindling importance of labour in the economy.

Besides people who think blacks, etc are a problem in America. What do you propose to do about it? Well blacks came to U.S.A. basically with the Europeans so they have been there nearly as long as European descendant Americans. And American Indians have been there even longer. So by that logic isn't it there country just as much as European descendant Americans? Or should U.S.A. just ship off all the blacks that have been there for hundreds of years to Africa?

Arabs with Islam have a very very strict authoritarian system that their intelligent creates with massive help. And it takes a shit-ton of money via oil and a shit-ton of help from high-IQ engineers and scientists to even keep up what they have. Yes - you can make it then, but without the oil money they would return to crumbling infrastructure and dysfunction fast. It is on par with what can be done in a very strict disciplined top-down controlled country of an average IQ of 85 - lose the money alone and it falls.

Korea in contrast had no money and neither had many European countries or the US in the beginning. It was just cold blood sweat and tears and the creativity of it's people.

Even with the best additional factors you would have to admit that you are baking more humble goods, creating a more humble country. If that is fine, then you can stay Botswana forever. If you want something more advanced, then positive eugenics is your way.

And of course I would never advocate to send to Africa American blacks who had been in the US longer than most Whites. Either you speak the truth and use honest positive eugenics to bring blacks truly to the level of Whites - can be done over time. Or the alternative is a separation if they think that Whites are all racist.

But it's all moot anyway since neither Whites nor blacks are going to be the dominant ethnicity - it's just that the society will be strongly anti-White with ever greater hostile tendencies.

Personally if I were world emperor then I would implement positive eugenics everywhere. You don't even have to care whether Botswana reaches 100 IQ when Japan is at 130. With that numbers you will have a well-functioning country anyway and it wouldn't matter that some are smarter just as Europeans don't care if Asians are a bit smarter on average or the Germans or Finns are smarter than the Italians or Spaniards. All Euro-countries are fine with how things are so long as they don't get worse or get their nations wiped out.

Part of the problem of crime would already be amended with mandatory married husbands in the house in order to receive welfare. Extra welfare if your husband has a voluntary IQ test and scores above 100. Super-welfare if the husband scores above 110+. That is how monetary incentive-driven eugenics could work. And it's nothing special really - all Christian societies had this, punishing unmarried mothers like crazy, forcing men to have a profession or some income before getting married, executing criminals. Now criminals in certain areas have 5 kids with 4 babymammas while the high-IQ blacks get beaten throughout school and barely have 1 kid until their 30s. Or they become PUAs and marry late. This is dysgenics in action.

But no changes will be happening here. The elite have no need for so many smart people and smart Africans - by golly they pretty much would know that a high-IQ black population would be even less controllable than a White population. Asians are the most docile law-abiding race on the planet and see what happens when they get too much freedom in Hong-Kong. Nah - the elite will keep on selling you lies while the underlying issue remain. Their plans for control of low-IQ populations will likely be combat-bots everywhere and Orwellian chipped population. Good bye high-trust Christian societies - hello full-spectrum dominance from a tiny elite.
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(12-22-2019 06:59 PM)Horus Wrote:  Yes I know about the Timuktu manuscripts and they are Arabic. The Arabs came for gold and slaves and bequeathed writing. Also, iron smelting in the 15th century is not very impressive since other cultures knew how to do it 8000 years ago.

Ok so the goalpost has been moved once again: So it's not enough that an African empire exists and has easily verifiable proof of culture but it also has to personally impress you too? Sounds like an insurmountable task.

The Persians had qanats about 600 years prior to the Roman aqueduct system so therefore, Roman aqueducts aren't "impressive"(whatever that means) even thought the Romans designed them without outside help and they served a valuable purpose to the republic and subsequent empire. See how asinine that sounds? That what you said re: Songhai iron working capabilities.

You're partially wrong about Timbuktu Manuscripts some are in Arabic and some are in African languages. Show me proof that Arabs wrote them all/showed the Africans how to write in their own languages. Don't worry tangible data is sufficient for me, it doesn't have to impress me; I don't need an emotional appeal to change to my mind.

Re: the bolded. I don't know what else to say but I'm sorry the Songhai weren't born earlier than the 1400's to discover iron working sooner like other people that were alive before them did?

Horus, again you're out of your depth, discussing a topic you're ignorant of using logical fallacies, and people you seem to have a distaste for so there's not much discussion for us to have honestly.

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Yes an African empire existed and it sucked. They made no notable achievements.
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All this wank about civilisations misses the point entirely.

Let's imagine that European civilisation fell into anarchy and devolved into a system where none but the most brutish and psychopathic men and women were able to advance their genetics to the next generations.

Well in a few thousand years the Chinese could still go to the ruins of London or Paris and correctly ascertain that we once had a marvellous civilisation that contributed many things to the world. That wouldn't mean that you could therefore transplant the european baby of Krong Bloodripper into the Chinese civil service and expect him to neatly slide into civilised patterns of behaviour. On a genetic level he has been altered from a Corgi to a Pitbull.

Moreover the more primitive civilisations were still barbaric by modern standards. Populations were kept in line with mass killings and enslavement. The sad irony is that the killings of anti-social elements simply didn't last long enough before the churn of time swallowed the leader class in whatever bonehead revolution or cultural collapse that ended the rule of the local dynasty.

I could go to a portion of Africa with 100,000 well trained mercenaries behind me and enslave 100 times that number of Africans. From there I could build a country far more civil and prosperous than South Africa or Zimbabwe are now. The story of Rhodesia makes this clear. But just like Rhodesia the second me and my troops were gone or ousted from power the degenerate churn of the 10 million locals would result in them doing what they do now. Using elevator shafts of million dollar buildings for garbage dumps and latrines until they fill up, then leaving to go and live in shanties again.

Conversely if my dynasty lasted 2000 years during which violent, anti-social citizens were executed and smart, empathic citizens were given more resources to breed then that dynasty would result in a fundamentally altered peoples more capable of maintaining that civilisation even after my lineage was overthrown.

It somewhat beggars belief that most men accept that breeding with a borderline retarded bitch will result in the possibility of having borderline retarded sons. None of the "blank slate" theorists here would take that gamble. Yet for some reason they don't think that the same factor scales up to entire ethnic groups.

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(12-22-2019 07:08 PM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 01:38 PM)Australia Sucks Wrote:  Simeon I am not disputing that IQ makes a difference. What I am disputing is that you can't have a successful country with a lower IQ population.

That is like telling a short guy he can never marry a beautiful woman. Sure its harder for him than a tall guy all other things equal but all other things are never equal.

If the short guy maximizes his game, his looks, his style, his wealth, his social circle and moves to the right location he can still easily marry a beautiful woman and live a happy life.

Especially in this day and age of increasing technology where labour is becoming increasingly less and less important (hence reducing the usefulness of past comparisons), then the IQ of the population is just just one factor among many.

Look at some of the Arab countries (not especially high IQ native populations) e.g. Dubai that are doing well, yes they had oil but they didn't squander it like Venezuelans. They also imported plenty of foreigners, such as lawyers, engineers, town planners, etc. to get the best talent whenever needed.

Even if you have a low IQ population if you create an attractive climate by building infrastructure, having low taxes, a business friendly environment, secure property rights, clamping down on crime, etc Then you can attract foreign capital and if you have the right immigration policy (coupled with all of the above) you can attract vast numbers of hardworking intelligent foreigners. If after 100 years your society is more than 50% handpicked, well screened foreigners, who cares really if it has led you to a successful society. And just because historical examples of what I am saying are rare it doesn't mean it cannot be done. Especially given the dwindling importance of labour in the economy.

Besides people who think blacks, etc are a problem in America. What do you propose to do about it? Well blacks came to U.S.A. basically with the Europeans so they have been there nearly as long as European descendant Americans. And American Indians have been there even longer. So by that logic isn't it there country just as much as European descendant Americans? Or should U.S.A. just ship off all the blacks that have been there for hundreds of years to Africa?

Arabs with Islam have a very very strict authoritarian system that their intelligent creates with massive help. And it takes a shit-ton of money via oil and a shit-ton of help from high-IQ engineers and scientists to even keep up what they have. Yes - you can make it then, but without the oil money they would return to crumbling infrastructure and dysfunction fast. It is on par with what can be done in a very strict disciplined top-down controlled country of an average IQ of 85 - lose the money alone and it falls.

Korea in contrast had no money and neither had many European countries or the US in the beginning. It was just cold blood sweat and tears and the creativity of it's people.

Even with the best additional factors you would have to admit that you are baking more humble goods, creating a more humble country. If that is fine, then you can stay Botswana forever. If you want something more advanced, then positive eugenics is your way.

And of course I would never advocate to send to Africa American blacks who had been in the US longer than most Whites. Either you speak the truth and use honest positive eugenics to bring blacks truly to the level of Whites - can be done over time. Or the alternative is a separation if they think that Whites are all racist.

But it's all moot anyway since neither Whites nor blacks are going to be the dominant ethnicity - it's just that the society will be strongly anti-White with ever greater hostile tendencies.

Personally if I were world emperor then I would implement positive eugenics everywhere. You don't even have to care whether Botswana reaches 100 IQ when Japan is at 130. With that numbers you will have a well-functioning country anyway and it wouldn't matter that some are smarter just as Europeans don't care if Asians are a bit smarter on average or the Germans or Finns are smarter than the Italians or Spaniards. All Euro-countries are fine with how things are so long as they don't get worse or get their nations wiped out.

Part of the problem of crime would already be amended with mandatory married husbands in the house in order to receive welfare. Extra welfare if your husband has a voluntary IQ test and scores above 100. Super-welfare if the husband scores above 110+. That is how monetary incentive-driven eugenics could work. And it's nothing special really - all Christian societies had this, punishing unmarried mothers like crazy, forcing men to have a profession or some income before getting married, executing criminals. Now criminals in certain areas have 5 kids with 4 babymammas while the high-IQ blacks get beaten throughout school and barely have 1 kid until their 30s. Or they become PUAs and marry late. This is dysgenics in action.

But no changes will be happening here. The elite have no need for so many smart people and smart Africans - by golly they pretty much would know that a high-IQ black population would be even less controllable than a White population. Asians are the most docile law-abiding race on the planet and see what happens when they get too much freedom in Hong-Kong. Nah - the elite will keep on selling you lies while the underlying issue remain. Their plans for control of low-IQ populations will likely be combat-bots everywhere and Orwellian chipped population. Good bye high-trust Christian societies - hello full-spectrum dominance from a tiny elite.

Let's play devil's advocate for a minute. If you are emperor of the entire planet, what would you do to create this scenario of positive eugenics? The fastest (perhaps not the best but the fastest) way I can come up with is to offer any man a vaesectomy in exchange he receives $100 USA dollars. This might seem like a decent deal in Africa or parts of Asia that are dirt poor, but growing their population exponentially.

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First you have to decide exactly what you're breeding towards. Tricky. As we've seen, the very strength of Europeans is also their weakness. Compassion.

Even then it would again take thousands of years or at least hundreds. Genetic traits lie dormant through generations only to spring up later and under certain lapses of order psychopathy and sociopathy can go on rampant comebacks.

As I noted earlier, one of the most basic and least draconian steps you could take would be to offer vasectomies in return for diminished sentencing on violent crimes or any crimes punishable by jail time for that matter.

Even knocking 6 months off the sentence would be enough for most low-time-horizon people to jump at the opportunity, especially if they're 6 months into a 1 year sentence.

Crime would track steady for a generation and welfare for illegitimate children would drop off almost immediately. Then you would see excellent gains generation over generation. No hangings or genocides necessary.

I don't agree with offering peaceful but otherwise impoverished people temporary financial incentives to kill their bloodline. Nor do I agree with the "emperor of the world institutes population control" concept. It doesn't fall to a European to decide Chinese population limits or vice versa. This is why I advocate for strong borders around ethnically homogeneous populations and would even support a UN type arrangement with the sole mandate to protect that arrangement. All peoples must be responsible for their own peoples or else all you're building is a fancy new version of colonialism.

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(12-22-2019 11:16 PM)eradicator Wrote:  Let's play devil's advocate for a minute. If you are emperor of the entire planet, what would you do to create this scenario of positive eugenics? The fastest (perhaps not the best but the fastest) way I can come up with is to offer any man a vaesectomy in exchange he receives $100 USA dollars. This might seem like a decent deal in Africa or parts of Asia that are dirt poor, but growing their population exponentially.

This would be a highly different world because I would end usury, so everyone would be twice as well-off and all the suppressed technologies would be open, so almost free energy and almost free transportation would the norm.

Nations should still exist though and tribes who don't get along should be given room to separate.

The goal frankly should be to maximize the intellectual potential of humanity, for certain races - reach a minimum level.

Positive eugenics could be done by giving massive aid for high-IQ men, even taxing them at rates of 70% if those men don't reproduce. You can do it the faster way and let them have kids and even sell sperm (needs to be then tracked to prevent inbreeding) or you can do it the stable marriage-oriented way that will take more time, but works as well. Pay some men and women to only have 1-2 kids maximum. Without usury all of it can easily be financed. Prisoners getting sterilized for shorter sentences - sure sounds good too.

Most people would react to incentives - also welfare has to be tied to a father in the house, extra welfare for biological father who is the husband, extra extra welfare for a father with an IQ of 110. You essentially increase the value of those men in the female population who otherwise would get shafted for the ex-con.

Once a tribe is set on that path, then things will progressively improve even if you pick the slow version of progress. Over time a minimum intellectual capacity will be reached naturally just helping nature along.
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On this whole race thing; I never had issues with Abo's until I had to move to outback Northern Australia for a job assignment and came to realise these savages burn their tax payers paid-for wooden floors to fry up the Kangaroo steak that a Christian local hunter gave to them for free.
Them complaining about rats in their beds having their mattresses exposed to the bare dirt underneath and blaming the government for inadequate housing was the cherry on top.

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Compared to Aboriginals then most African tribes are high-IQ. If they had existed in Africa, then the Zulus or some other aggressive tribe would have hunted them out of existence. Genetically speaking there isn't even a link to Africans, they evolved seemingly completely apart. Even some of the colonial leaders noted that some Africans were extremely smart 150 years ago. So Europeans knew that there are highly intelligent Africans, just not that many with lower averages.

Many of them in the US gained their freedom back in the 19th century even before the civil war and settled in White communities integrating well enough. The difference was that this group was likely high-IQ and adhering to the culture of European Americans. Thomas Sowell even mentions that group because there was no ghettoization as those blacks acted as dark-skinned Europeans. But Sowell claims that this was disrupted by the advent of the Civil War and more "wild Southern" blacks moving into those communities. Nah - the high IQ blacks were swarmed by the averages from the South after the war and it was game over.

As I said before - a high-IQ black nation if it develops, then it would be a good place to live. Depending on other cultural, economic factors then it would depend on whether that nation would become Spain or Switzerland or somewhere in between. But an African Spain wouldn't be so bad.

Though - the IQ issue is even minor now, since all non-White tribes get weaponized against European Whites. The sheer flood of Indian SJW comedians and feminists is not surprising - you don't have to participate in gun/knife-crime or gang-warfare in order ot be hostile to the people who created the West. Yeah - lower IQ averages make it harder to integrate or even contribute, but it's not the main issue facing the West.
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(12-22-2019 02:16 PM)Goldin Boy Wrote:  
(12-22-2019 06:13 AM)VNvet Wrote:  Egyptians and Carthaginians aren't/weren't Africans. That's like saying the aborigines built Australia.

Why have Africans not created an empire comparable to the Egyptians?

They have.

Look the Mali Empire or Songhai(the largest empire in African history). Both founded and ruled primarily by Black Africans, no Phoenicians/Arabs. Just because you're not bothering to look them up doesn't mean they don't exist.

The greatest accomplishments of the Malinese were a pilgrimage to Mecca where Mansa Musa 'made it rain' to impress the peasants, and the amazing mud huts that they built.

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The Malinese and Saudis provide the example of how you can run a low-IQ civilization: have an extremely valuable resource (gold or oil), and adopt Islam - a religion which promotes 'god-king' Caliphs to the top, suppresses the underclass with extreme brutality, and doesn't shy away from exploiting foreign workers and slaves to run the intellectual properties of the nation.

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