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(01-16-2020 11:30 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Its like the real life equivalent of Halloween costumes. Just because a girl is dressed up as a 'sexy nurse' it does not mean she is actually a skilled nurse.

A hot woman who is mediocre or average in a skill will receive accolades and compliments in ways that proficient men can't. You see this play out most often with the "hot female guitarist" fetish on Youtube.





No matter how skilled they are, the amount of attention they get will always exceed a man of equal skill simply because of her looks-appeal.

Some of these girls can play, but does their playing justify their view counts? No, because people don't view the videos to hear them play. They are there for the novelty value of the "hot chick who is into a male-oriented hobby".

That's not to say you can't have attractive women who are honestly and truly competent with a skill. But even there, they enjoy the leverage of their looks to open doors in ways that a male virtuoso can't.

Great example of a celebrity who played both sides of this simultaneously is Charo, who made an entire career out of being the dumb spanish bimbo while also being able to play flamenco at world-class levels.

When you're attractive there is always the cloud of doubt that your success should be attributed to your looks and not your skills. That's just how it is. Beautiful people have it easier in life, skills or no skills. It's not fair, but that's how the world works. Only if everyone went through life wearing hijabs could it be a pure meritocracy.
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(01-16-2020 12:03 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  You can alter your own behavior but unfortunately lesser men are going to indulge their primitive instincts to reach out to women that are beyond their grasp, simply because although it's .00000001% effective it's also completely risk free.

Sad male chimps will keep tossing virtual bananas to the female chimps on the other side of the screen because it mimics the kind of mental interaction that might result in mating. You are more likely to convince them to cut their nads off than you are to unionize male attention and dole it out only to the women that deserve it.

^ Hope is a powerful driver and absolutely vital to human endeavor.

Social media creates a false sense of connection. Since so much of the modern life is online its easy to empathize with how a young horny man can 'feel' something for some e-thot that doesn't even know he exists as an individual. It can feel like a 'relationship' because so much of what human interactions are is actually taking place; they can almost touch it.

The reverse is true for girls. The attention feels real.

The dark side of "hope" exists and social media is it.

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So desperate for easy male attention.
While so easily tricked by their own foolish female fantasy.

Turns out "easy job & easy money" from the comfort of their own bedrooms, has a consequence to it just like any other unsavoury endeavour.


The ‘cam girl’ dream leaves many women broke, disillusioned

While some are getting rich off being virtual girlfriends, many others are getting ripped off.

The relatively new industry niche of live, on-camera porn shows are not the golden goose many performers expect, according to an exposé for the Guardian by self-proclaimed “bisexual cyber slut” Sofia Barrett-Ibarria.
In reality, the women putting on the shows, known as “cam girls,” are dealing with demanding viewers, long hours and managers who force them to do increasingly humiliating stunts on camera.
“The set-up was, essentially, showing up for 12-hour shifts, during which I had to be ready and on camera the whole time,” now 27-year-old Katlyn Carter tells Barrett-Ibarria
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Carter’s full-time office job wasn’t paying the bills, and the Southern California studio gave her a workspace and a 60% cut of the revenue audiences paid for her broadcasts — and private shows.
But the conditions were deplorable: Management chastised Carter for not accepting all viewer requests, including ones for vomiting and urination, and she soon developed an eating disorder, began binge-drinking and felt generally isolated and exhausted.
“Camming was taking all of my emotional and physical energy, and eventually put a strain on all of my relationships,” she says, adding that it was far from a pleasant way to make quick cash, despite a small elite raking it in. “There is not a superior form of sex work, and I feel like that’s important to note."
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Even for former cam girl Isa Mazzei, who, for a time, made $15,500 a month camming from her home, the money and attention weren’t worth the harsh reality of the job.

“I started to feel like I had lost control over my digital identity,” Mazzei, now 28 and working in film, told The Post in November of the decision to stop doing cam work. “I wanted to regain the feeling of agency over my own image.”


https://nypost.com/2020/01/14/the-cam-gi...llusioned/


Would be interesting to gauge if the 'cam-girl' crowd was a higher usage of anti-depressants & the like compared to other chicks.
Contentment is not derived from a 'cam'.
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I use twitter and forums like these (to lesser extents), and frankly it's become a sort of social circle simulator. My general rule of thumb is that i dont ever really access them from my phone, only when i'm at home in front of my laptop (and frankly, bored 9 times out of 10). Aside from the odd time i'm having a coffee pre gym and browsing twatter, i'm pretty solid on that. Also i am anonymous on all the sites i use, and dont upload photos or any day-to-day personal information about friends or family.

But still i see my net usage as being largely unhealthy. It's the sign of an unstimulated mind and/or social life. I live on my own and dont have many IRL friends in the town where i live. And can see how in recent years access to forums / twitter has morphed into a sort of 'friend simulator' which is a crutch, and somewhat pathetic. Dont get me wrong, I'm not a total shut in, but i do find that access to all this makes the necessity of getting out and amongst it seem less pressing, and can become a cheap, low effort alternative.

If it all went up in smoke tomorrow (and Lord knows how much i wish that were possible), all these crutches would be gone, and it would drive people out to seek real life interactions, rather than just settle for online facsimilies, and we'd all be better off for it.
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(01-16-2020 12:12 PM)questor70 Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 11:30 AM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  Its like the real life equivalent of Halloween costumes. Just because a girl is dressed up as a 'sexy nurse' it does not mean she is actually a skilled nurse.

A hot woman who is mediocre or average in a skill will receive accolades and compliments in ways that proficient men can't. You see this play out most often with the "hot female guitarist" fetish on Youtube.





No matter how skilled they are, the amount of attention they get will always exceed a man of equal skill simply because of her looks-appeal.

Some of these girls can play, but does their playing justify their view counts? No, because people don't view the videos to hear them play. They are there for the novelty value of the "hot chick who is into a male-oriented hobby".

That's not to say you can't have attractive women who are honestly and truly competent with a skill. But even there, they enjoy the leverage of their looks to open doors in ways that a male virtuoso can't.

Great example of a celebrity who played both sides of this simultaneously is Charo, who made an entire career out of being the dumb spanish bimbo while also being able to play flamenco at world-class levels.

When you're attractive there is always the cloud of doubt that your success should be attributed to your looks and not your skills. That's just how it is. Beautiful people have it easier in life, skills or no skills. It's not fair, but that's how the world works. Only if everyone went through life wearing hijabs could it be a pure meritocracy.

Good points. Allow me to take them one giant step further.

When the Internet changed in the mid-2000s to accommodate video and high-rez photos, this caused a major cultural shift, because it gave women instant (unearned) power. The power of the visual medium.

We already know that both men and women prefer to look at women. This is likely biologically-driven. It's why women have always been models for things like game shows, which are viewed by both sexes. It's also why you see women on the covers of both men's and woman's magazines.

I'll use pop music as an example to give a historical perspective on what's happened, since I used to write about it.

Back in the 1980s, we saw a drastic change in pop when the video medium was popularized by MTV. We immediately saw the rise of female artists like Madonna and others who followed in her wake. Before this, virtually all the biggest pop stars were men.

Guys could put sexy women in their videos and get attention, but female artists could be the center of attention all by themselves. Without video, it's hard to imagine some of the dance-oriented girl groups of the late '80s would ever have had hits.

And then we got YouTube in 2006. That's when we saw a bigger explosion of female artists, and they now dominate the entire pop Top 40.

This cultural re-alignment is hard for some people to grasp because it's relatively new. The Internet was a man's game when it was all about the written word (Usenet, blogs, text-heavy Web pages). It isn't anymore.

I'll even go so far as to say this has fundamentally altered the power dynamic between men and women in all realms of life. That includes everything from dating to the arts to the workplace to the political arena.

The rise of "the visual net" gives every reasonably good-looking woman a taste of the power that only female stars got in the past. And some of them get a lot more than a taste.

I don't know what will be the end game of all this, but I do know I've seen a change gradually come into play since around 2007-09. And so far, no writers or media people have commented on it. (Until a few weeks from now, when the people at Taki's inevitably steal my ideas from this forum and make an "original" column out of them, like they've done in the past.)
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Would trashing the cosmetics department at Bloomingdales be considered a good start?

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^^^ If you go to Bloomie's and look half-way respectable head over to the Tom Ford cologone counter. They will load you up with these free sample bottles that will last forever. I've never smelled this good in my life, and will for many years to come.

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Interesting observations by broken arrows. Though I don't entirely agree. Women don't completely dominate the top 40. Ed Sheeran, Justin bieber, Maroon 5 are still perennial chart dominators. In addition, if you just include "popular songs" which means hip hop and reggaeton too, then it's pretty much even.

I agree with the notion that pretty people, especially have it easier, most noticeably when it comes to getting appreciated for their skills. Men are just astounded by the fact that a good looking woman is passionate about something. And since men tend to idealize women, the talented ones are essentially examples of perfection.
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(01-18-2020 03:16 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  Interesting observations by broken arrows. Though I don't entirely agree. Women don't completely dominate the top 40. Ed Sheeran, Justin bieber, Maroon 5 are still perennial chart dominators. In addition, if you just include "popular songs" which means hip hop and reggaeton too, then it's pretty much even.

I agree with the notion that pretty people, especially have it easier, most noticeably when it comes to getting appreciated for their skills. Men are just astounded by the fact that a good looking woman is passionate about something. And since men tend to idealize women, the talented ones are essentially examples of perfection.

Good points. I should have narrowed that down. Instead of Top 40 in general "The recent Top 10 and various awards show winners" would have been more accurate.

I also didn't mention country music, where men dominate to the point that I recently read an article in Billboard bemoaning that fact. It was about an idiotic study that found an "alarming" lack of representation of female artists and songwriters in country. Cache link here. I'm waiting for the articles on male over-representation in the roofing industry and skyscraper building business. And as prisoners.
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(01-18-2020 03:16 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  Interesting observations by broken arrows. Though I don't entirely agree. Women don't completely dominate the top 40. Ed Sheeran, Justin bieber, Maroon 5 are still perennial chart dominators. In addition, if you just include "popular songs" which means hip hop and reggaeton too, then it's pretty much even.

I agree with the notion that pretty people, especially have it easier, most noticeably when it comes to getting appreciated for their skills. Men are just astounded by the fact that a good looking woman is passionate about something. And since men tend to idealize women, the talented ones are essentially examples of perfection.

Additionally, I think it's fairly normal to like a singer because they're attractive. Especially if their songs tend to be about intimacy. I mean I love Lana Del Ray and no doubt she is an extremely talented, but if she wasn't so attractive my interest would probably fade to some degree.

There are some female singers with incredible voices that I enjoy, despite them being fat/ugly, but I find it kind of jarring and disappointing tbh.

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(01-18-2020 05:17 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 03:16 PM)droughtmeat Wrote:  Interesting observations by broken arrows. Though I don't entirely agree. Women don't completely dominate the top 40. Ed Sheeran, Justin bieber, Maroon 5 are still perennial chart dominators. In addition, if you just include "popular songs" which means hip hop and reggaeton too, then it's pretty much even.

I agree with the notion that pretty people, especially have it easier, most noticeably when it comes to getting appreciated for their skills. Men are just astounded by the fact that a good looking woman is passionate about something. And since men tend to idealize women, the talented ones are essentially examples of perfection.

Additionally, I think it's fairly normal to like a singer because they're attractive. Especially if their songs tend to be about intimacy. I mean I love Lana Del Ray and no doubt she is an extremely talented, but if she wasn't so attractive my interest would probably fade to some degree.

There are some female singers with incredible voices that I enjoy, despite them being fat/ugly, but I find it kind of jarring and disappointing tbh.

Funny you mention that, humans are very superficial. When was there ever a fat/unattractive pop star? Adele? (chunky, but not ugly and arguably quite talented) Susan Boyles (unattractive, not huge, but talented, blew up because of feels and novelty and faded back into obscurity).

I just got turned on to a pop star (Dua Lipa) because in my opinion, she's a total smoke. Has a few good songs for a when I need a break from rock/metal but if she wasn't hot I probably wouldn't give a rip
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Though I'm not a follower of music in general,: surely there were popular but unattractive female musicians in the 80s or earlier? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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(01-19-2020 01:08 AM)ScannerLIV Wrote:  Though I'm not a follower of music in general,: surely there were popular but unattractive female musicians in the 80s or earlier? Correct me if I'm wrong.

There were. Mama Cass of the Mama's and the Papa's was a big one (pun intended). In the '70s there were Janis Ian, Phoebe Snow, and Patti Smith. In the realm of soul music, Aretha Franklin wasn't particularly good looking.

There were also men who were not consider attractive. Roy Orbison's first manager Sam Phillips, insisted he wear big, dark glasses to hide his odd facial features. The Beach Boys, Grateful Dead, and 4 Seasons all had several members who were not good looking (and this got worse as they aged).

I think music got more shallow as video took hold. It became more about putting forth an image rather than imparting emotions. There was an old satirical Twitter account called "Goldman Sachs Elevator Gossip" and one of its best Tweets was "Music sure was better when ugly people were allowed to make it."
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(01-18-2020 12:03 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Turns out "easy job & easy money" from the comfort of their own bedrooms, has a consequence to it just like any other unsavoury endeavour.

There's little about how their poor choices damaged her own souls, and of course nothing on them manipulating and enticing their male audience in service of solipsistic affirmation and desire for easy money. Their contemptible behavior isn't really the problem with "sex work," you see. The real problem is caused by others: owners raking in money at their expense, workload expectations, men requesting degeneracy beyond their desire, etc.
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(01-19-2020 07:06 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 12:03 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Turns out "easy job & easy money" from the comfort of their own bedrooms, has a consequence to it just like any other unsavoury endeavour.

There's little about how their poor choices damaged her own souls, and of course nothing on them manipulating and enticing their male audience in service of solipsistic affirmation and desire for easy money. Their contemptible behavior isn't really the problem with "sex work," you see. The real problem is caused by others: owners raking in money at their expense, workload expectations, men requesting degeneracy beyond their desire, etc.


I recall a cartoon of a guy sitting at a stripper podium as he watches a stripper dance.

Both are looking at each other & thinking the exact same thing about the other - "Loser."

However, there is obviousley far less consequence for the guy going to a strip joint on rare occasion, as opposed to a damaged chick being a stripper night after night...
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(01-20-2020 01:56 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  
(01-19-2020 07:06 PM)Athanasius Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 12:03 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Turns out "easy job & easy money" from the comfort of their own bedrooms, has a consequence to it just like any other unsavoury endeavour.

There's little about how their poor choices damaged her own souls, and of course nothing on them manipulating and enticing their male audience in service of solipsistic affirmation and desire for easy money. Their contemptible behavior isn't really the problem with "sex work," you see. The real problem is caused by others: owners raking in money at their expense, workload expectations, men requesting degeneracy beyond their desire, etc.

I recall a cartoon of a guy sitting at a stripper podium as he watches a stripper dance.

Both are looking at each other & thinking the exact same thing about the other - "Loser."

However, there is obviousley far less consequence for the guy going to a strip joint on rare occasion, as opposed to a damaged chick being a stripper night after night...

Even though the guy had far less ''consequences'' than the stripper, he IS still a loser (maybe to a lesser extent than the stripper, but what's the point to be compared to a total failure?). Undecided
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Something I noticed about TikTok, is it's basically a platform for 13-17 year old girls to passively flex their yoga pants butts and bare midriffs, all in the plausible guise of stupid viral dances and other gags. If a male points any of this out, he'll be labeled a pedo and/or misogynist ("HOW DARE YOU TELL YOUNG GIRLS HOW TO DANCE!"), and a critical woman would be labeled a hateful/repressed Christian.
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Heh.
Had a good laugh at this one.

From another forum :

Quote:Some guy set up a virtual anime camgirl on Chaturbate called Projekt Melody and pissed off a bunch of titty streamers because its 'stealing' their business.
lol

https://twitter.com/LewdGamer/status/122...5970119682

to see the angry replies you're gonna have to click on all three parts and scroll right

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They should leverage that trademark female solidarity and organise a strike. I'm sure that splitters and scabs won't race to capitalise on the void they've left.

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I was never a huge user of social media bur my social life has actually improved since I have deleted Facebook ( maybe 6-7 years ago ) .
So many meaningless chats and bullshit people are posting.
The whole thing is unhealthy ; with a tendancy to be jealous and check other people s lives. I remember asking myself why this girl rejects me and checking her boyfriend's holiday picture with her etc...

I'm sure things are much worse with Snapchat Instagram etc where not only you are in alternate reality but also gave timelimits where videos last 7-10 seconds...

It s a clear dumbing down of human intelligence
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It's odd, I still treat social web 2.0 stuff like Facebook/Myspace/friendster/tagged like it's BBS board based systems;
Never use too much information that could easily establish and identify you. I Keep things mostly to ideas and data oriented.

People think I'm an asshole whenever I recover and reactivate my social media accounts. I just spit things out frankly as a guy would and watch ppl around recoil in horror .


Sadly with the GUI and web 2.0 and the timing of the feminine gynocentric society, you have to sort through even more manure to get to the good ideas out there. It's just a bunch of cacophonous b.s. being spewed nowadays for spiritually broken sexually deviant people.

Not going to lie, I was active on POF and OKCupid back in their infancy, but this was before every guy out there would provide free validation to women.

Social media has turned the old web mentality upside down.

When privacy and ideas were to flourish not openness and popularity contests. I miss the days before Myspace, legitimately.
The few close friends I had on Facebook or Myspace if let them know who I was more specifically with my online pseudonym I was using.

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(02-15-2020 12:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The reality is that the only thing protecting the degenerates is the government. We talk about "law and order" but that's a trite concept when your government is Lawful-Evil rather than Lawful-Good in order to put it in a blunt albeit nerdy way.
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(02-10-2020 09:35 AM)pitbullowner Wrote:  It's odd, I still treat social web 2.0 stuff like Facebook/Myspace/friendster/tagged like it's BBS board based systems;
Never use too much information that could easily establish and identify you. I Keep things mostly to ideas and data oriented.

People think I'm an asshole whenever I recover and reactivate my social media accounts. I just spit things out frankly as a guy would and watch ppl around recoil in horror .


Sadly with the GUI and web 2.0 and the timing of the feminine gynocentric society, you have to sort through even more manure to get to the good ideas out there. It's just a bunch of cacophonous b.s. being spewed nowadays for spiritually broken sexually deviant people.

Not going to lie, I was active on POF and OKCupid back in their infancy, but this was before every guy out there would provide free validation to women.

Social media has turned the old web mentality upside down.

When privacy and ideas were to flourish not openness and popularity contests. I miss the days before Myspace, legitimately.
The few close friends I had on Facebook or Myspace if let them know who I was more specifically with my online pseudonym I was using.

The thing about Web 1.0 is that, unlike most technologies (for communication or otherwise) that came before, it mirrored the traditional experience of technology.

Up to the industrial revolution, and certainly in pre-modern times, a technology was scarcely used by people who had no knowledge and no interest in how it was built and repaired, but more importantly how it was operated - in essence, its operation and its use were one and the same. No technology had, so to speak, a User Interface – its user had almost by necessity to dive into the technical aspects of operation, and more often than not, even its building. And even if he was not involved and did not know how to build it, he certainly knew the men who built it. That is to say, there was not only a direct connection between the use of a tool and the knowledge of the tool by the user, but also the user of a tool and the builder of that tool.

The defining feature of web 1.0 versus 2.0 was not the relative scarcity of content or users, since that is expected of any new medium, but rather that its use required of its users a rather high level of technical proficiency. Web 1.0 was clunky, complicated and highly technical. It was mainly built by and for people with a level of technical ability that was anything but accessible - one would have to learn a great number of things to be able to do anything with it. People who lacked this knowledge were simply incapable of using it – and they were left with the choice of either learning how it worked and how to work it, or not use the medium at all. The typical user was not simply a user, but a builder, a technician and an operator. The same could be said for computers, a decade earlier – and could not be said, for example, of the telegraph, cinema or the television. So in a way, the computer and the internet were an improvement over previous mass communication technologies because it tied back use to knowledge. One could not simply buy a computer and start using it, but had to learn how to use it – and this was key.

This state of affairs in which the users are also operators, if not builders, is, in fact, the natural or traditional state of technology and there is a certain discipline that arises from this dynamic: the user is more likely to know the limits of the technology, to understand the use beyond the superficial, to have a relationship with the technology and therefore respect its power, its function and steer it in a certain way to do exactly that. This goes beyond the ideological bias of the technology, and can in a sense supplant it, because its users are conscious of the necessary conditions of their use. This is why you see engineers from that early stage like Jaron Lanier being very outspoken about their disapproval of what the internet and computers have become.

This connection between use and knowledge, I think, accounts for the fulfillment of the promise of computers and the internet during those early days: it was for the most part a tool with two main uses, discussion and information display - which account for its two major outlets: forums and personal, disconnected, sites. Along with pornography, of course - but this was also the case with the printing press (ever heard of Pietro Aretino?).

More importantly, because its use required a level of proficiency that was not possible for a large part of the population, its main currency beyond the programming languages was language itself – in a way, it served to revive the written culture that had been lost for the most part during the television revolution. But again, it only revived it for a small number of people – the fact that it did was, however, undeniable. Forums were perhaps the biggest phenomenon of the internet, and personal websites dedicated to certain interests and sub-cultures, second.

The move into the current internet of picture-driven social media was a direct result of the separation between users and operators/builders. In other words, the discipline was lost to all but a few – and this lack of discipline opened the door to the narcissistic vortex that the internet is today for most people. Forums largely lost their space to the social media platforms now opened to anyone, and with it, discussion and knowledge became posturing and narcissism.

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(02-10-2020 07:57 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  I'm sure things are much worse with Snapchat Instagram etc where not only you are in alternate reality but also gave timelimits where videos last 7-10 seconds...

I stopped using Snapchat a few years ago when it kinda died, but I liked it while it was around (relatively speaking, as those things go). Mainly because it was primarily a one-to-one messaging platform, so it felt intimate (and yes, the "disappearing" nature helps that feeling) rather than like a "social network".
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(01-18-2020 03:38 AM)Days of Broken Arrows Wrote:  The rise of "the visual net" gives every reasonably good-looking woman a taste of the power that only female stars got in the past. And some of them get a lot more than a taste.

I would agree with that. I think if you're a hot woman you can now invade a male role as it becomes, in effect, a male fetish. The female guitarist is a male fetish. The female race car driver (Danica Patrick). Hot female action stars. Girls with guns. The only wrinkle here is the SJWs who want women to assume male roles but--not be hot. But you still see a lot of that in anime. I totally understand the appeal but I can start to see the negative effect of this taken to extremes.

It's sort of a cultural shortcut to eliminate men from pop culture and just have hot women assume any and all roles. It's the visual equivalent of only eating twinkies and cheetos.

Robert Palmer sort of satirized this phenomenon but we've kind of become an Addicted to Love society--only without the proverbial Robert Palmer as a front-man. It's just that SJWs have deluded themselves into thinking this reflects social progress. Having performers do pole dances at the Superbowl isn't progress. It's playing right into "cishet" male thirst. The obese chick that sang during the oscars is more up SJW's alley if they really had their way across the board.

But as long as our value-systems revolve around stimulation and little else then there's dwindling interest in seeing men or women perform traditional roles. Everything has to be arousing--all the time.

I hear even in Maverick that Tom Cruise will be training a female pilot.

(02-10-2020 09:35 AM)pitbullowner Wrote:  I still treat social web 2.0 stuff like Facebook/Myspace/friendster/tagged like it's BBS board based systems

But there is a big difference between a social network and a BBS. The "scroll". The scroll completely devalues anything other than the now. There's really no good way to recall a wall post. It just disappears into the fog of the logs. Go join a special interest group on Facebook and you'll see the same damn information, the same pics and memes, the same trivia, scroll by again and again and again. Facebook works against the idea of the internet being forever. If you want to research a particular topic all you will ever get is a tabula rasa stream of consciousness discussion about it. It's sort of the antithesis of Wikipedia.

Why do you think James Gunn left his old Twitter posts intact? Because he saw Twitter as being in "the now" and nobody would jump through the hoops to read back through years and years. So it's sort of the worst of both worlds. It throws up roadblocks for clear organization and recall of data that might be useful for increasing your knowledge while lulling us into thinking your online activity just disappears, raising privacy concerns.

But because people spend most of their time on Facebook, it is sort of replacing standalone websites even when it doesn't function as well.
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