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RE: Game and Travel subforums will be removed on January 13
I agree with deleting the closed forums, but looking at some of those replies, there are many insights into important topics that aren't about fornication. I would advise another week or two to give people time.
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I understand the desire behind the direction of the change of the forum. I checked a lot of old subscribed threads many if not most of them were already moved to sections that are staying. If there's some wholesome content that got swept up elsewhere, my suggestion would be to PM Roosh to see if those threads could be moved to a forum section that is being retained. Roosh, if you read this, I urge you to consider keeping those sections open a little longer to make sure any worthwhile threads get transferred. It is quite a large archive, and it takes time to save that worth saving. Just some food for thought. Thank you.

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RE: Game and Travel subforums will be removed on January 13
Roosh,

Would you consider after you delete those threads, to add another subforum where people can put travel tip data sheets with a different name? Then it can just be about highlighting good hotels, good finds, restaurants, historical sites, etc. If I'm going to get info on a place, I'd like to get it from the guys on the forum instead of some other site.
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(01-08-2020 10:13 PM)mbare Wrote:  Roosh,

Would you consider after you delete those threads, to add another subforum where people can put travel tip data sheets with a different name? Then it can just be about highlighting good hotels, good finds, restaurants, historical sites, etc. If I'm going to get info on a place, I'd like to get it from the guys on the forum instead of some other site.

I agree with this myself. I think reviving the Meet up section might be good too. Just take away the gaming aspect of it. Meeting like minded men bent on self improvement was my favorite part of the forum and I think its best asset.
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I remember when I use to check this forum every day. What started out as a resource to pick up chicks became so much more.

When I started lurking here in my early twenties I was a broke kid starting a STEM degree and living at home. My motivations were similar to most; after being dumped by a promiscuous woman I didn't know how to start over. My dating experience was practically zero and my social anxiety/depression was so severe I could barely leave the house.

This place changed all that.

It gave me the motivation to work on myself, meet new people, and start my transition into manhood. At the forum's peak, the vast amount of intellectual ideas that flowed through was beyond anybody's comprehension. Members shared how to game life itself.

Need tips to repair your car? Got that.
Need style about leather jackets? Got that.
Need to learn how to make new friends? Got that.
Need tips on how to take on 30 dudes at the club? Got that in spades.

All those tips on gaming that cute girl at the bar suddenly became applicable to a job interview. It was such a defining cauldron of thought that nothing will come close to its shadow anytime soon.

And now to the present.

Seeing the fall these past few years has been tough. Every time some drastic event happens here, I keep reading the same old "Well it's Roosh's forum, he can do whatever he likes with it."

Wrong. What started out as HIS forum became a community of like-minded men who taught each other how to succeed. Everybody who contributed here owns a piece of this forum, WE became a COMMUNITY. Just because he bought the server space doesn't make him the owner of all the great things that happened here. But unfortunately when it comes to brass taxes it does, and seeing it that way requires a higher thought process than most want to accept. And a higher thought process than Roosh himself wants to take.

Roosh's actions are that of a self-blinded hypocrite. He used to be the sharpest guy in the room but has voluntarily narrowed his mindset because he feels that he wasted his life.

YOU DIDN'T ROOSH. You helped more people than you will ever know. We all thank you for the sacrifices you made for our betterment.

Now let me break the ice by saying nobody here wants to be limited because of your regrets. If you wish to take a new road in life don't put that on the COMMUNITY. Start a new forum and leave the old one alone.

You see I've dealt with loss of life as most members have here. Turning to religion is half assed way of dealing with it. Running away from a truth is no way to live. It's actually surprising to see that you didn't take this forum’s biggest lesson.

To be a rock and endure.

That at the end of the day, all the suffering you go through makes you a stronger better person with more fuel to be a positive example. And pretending that you've accepted it through "God" is depressing at best. Spirituality is a beautiful thing when it comes from a positive place, but when coming from the negative it has lead to the forum's version of the burning of the library of Alexandria.

Redemption is as much a self-important concept as honor or chivalry. I understand that you believe you're doing "good" now by sanitizing this place but you're not making a lasting change. A lasting change would be to instead teach people how to be good from a fundamental level. To take charge of their lives and own their shit.

Not through some hokey-pokey religious bullshit, but by being a MAN. And that idea transcends whatever imaginary being you pray to at night.And while I do agree with some of new directions you want to take this forum (more LTR, less ONS) this isn't the way to do it.

Oh and to all the die-hard religious people here, if tomorrow you suddenly woke up without religion would that change who you are? If the answer is yes, you have a lot of soul searching to do.

RooshVForum will never be the place it once was, and that's ok. Everything dies eventually and it is a beautiful cycle.

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Apologies for the long post, I just had to get this off my chest.

Thanks to everyone who made this place what it was and helped someone find their purpose in life. You'll never be forgotten.

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RE: Game and Travel subforums will be removed on January 13
(01-08-2020 10:20 PM)MdWanderer Wrote:  Meeting like minded men bent on self improvement was my favorite part of the forum and I think its best asset.

This is so crucial, especially nowadays when it's so absent from many men's lives. There's a push for men to create "mannerbunds", which is just a fancy term for a group of men with shared values who want to support, encourage, instruct, and learn from each other. It's a concept so simple, something that was such a part of civilization for so long it didn't even need a name. But now so many people (men and women) are cloistered off, no contact with people other than work and twatter.

I'd like to (continue) seeing such things online, and I encourage everyone who doesn't have that circle IRL (IRL still matters, despite what the apps want you to believe) to make building that circle a major priority in your life.
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RE: Game and Travel subforums will be removed on January 13
If someone comes across a new forum that doesn't face the same individual ownership issues - could you please come back to this forum and post to let others know, or start a new thread to notify other people here.

Swooptheworld is the most commonly referred to one I've seen - but it's branded as a a playboy community, and sits on the back of guys offering courses, consulting and dating/lifestyle products. Hardly the sort of forum that is set up for the long haul, or that will attract a wide variety of guys at different life stages - for those two reasons alone.

In an ideal world, it would be awesome to have an independent/non commercial forum (that no one individual owns or company owns), where all red pill type men can drop in as they wish. I'd be more than willing to offer some petty cash/donations to pay for hosting and other basic forum costs etc, and to fulfill some moderator volunteer duties, if that's what's required in that sort of set up.

At the end of the day - a lot of guys have probably fractured off to different parts of the internet and disconnected from the mens communities altogether after what has happened with this forum, which is cool. People are going to move on in life anyway. But, it's that ability to have a community for guys to drop in and say hi and pass on some life knowledge and mentorship that is priceless (and a lot of that has probably been lost for now)

I bought some stuff from Roosh recently as a final thank you, and respect his decisions in life to do what he feels is right

But, would be good to have one new place (that is set up for the long term) where everyone can come together, instead of everyone being scattered or displaced living their own lives and all that wisdom and connection being permanently lost

If anyone wants to PM me about this - feel free to do so
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(01-08-2020 02:30 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Knowing how to deal with women is hardly childish.

I've supported Roosh since his conversion, the rules changing, and I attended his speech...but things aren't getting any better for men; even the most basic game knowledge could help a poor guy questioning his existence over getting dumped or pining for some girl. I've said it before and I'll say it again: men will suffer and continue to suffer because of the lack of good resources on how to improve and manage their relationships with women. No one benefits from the erasure of knowledge; how do you think western civilization ended up at this point? Because people have forgotten history and lack the knowledge of the past.

I also ask how can one appreciate the change in Roosh's perspective without the context of his past?

I don't mean to be insolent. I am just wholly against the erasure of compiled knowledge. Game is a double edged sword, one can use it to fornicate with sluts or to find and manage a wife. Nonetheless it is a tool that puts power into the hands of men living in a society that wants to strip it away from them by any means necessary.
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Serious question:

Will you stop selling your game books as well? If you will stop selling your game materials will we get a deadline on those?

I'd like to get some clean PDFs of all of them for posterity. Not to mention, I also get to give the site and roosh a proper farewell gift.

I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
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(01-08-2020 11:57 PM)BlastbeatCasanova Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 02:30 PM)Mr. Wolf Wrote:  When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

Knowing how to deal with women is hardly childish.

I've supported Roosh since his conversion, the rules changing, and I attended his speech...but things aren't getting any better for men; even the most basic game knowledge could help a poor guy questioning his existence over getting dumped or pining for some girl. I've said it before and I'll say it again: men will suffer and continue to suffer because of the lack of good resources on how to improve and manage their relationships with women. No one benefits from the erasure of knowledge; how do you think western civilization ended up at this point? Because people have forgotten history and lack the knowledge of the past.

I also ask how can one appreciate the change in Roosh's perspective without the context of his past?

I don't mean to be insolent. I am just wholly against the erasure of compiled knowledge. Game is a double edged sword, one can use it to fornicate with sluts or to find and manage a wife. Nonetheless it is a tool that puts power into the hands of men living in a society that wants to strip it away from them by any means necessary.

Using "game" to bang sluts is why western civilization has declined. Western civilization isn't going to heal by teaching guys "game," that's a Heartiste-tier cope. All this game stuff is simply the flipside of the feminist wrecking ball on our civilization.

I swear, you coomers are all the same. You think that tricking a feminist slut into having sex with you is the pinnacle of manly, anti-feminist existence.

As I've said before, everything you need to know about women and relationships can be figured out in about a month of browsing through Heartiste. After that it's just weird pathological behavior for guys that come from single mom homes.
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(01-08-2020 10:13 PM)mbare Wrote:  Roosh,

Would you consider after you delete those threads, to add another subforum where people can put travel tip data sheets with a different name? Then it can just be about highlighting good hotels, good finds, restaurants, historical sites, etc. If I'm going to get info on a place, I'd like to get it from the guys on the forum instead of some other site.

Start a thread yourself. If it takes off, then it warrants a forum.



(01-08-2020 10:57 PM)Cronus Wrote:  ...
This place changed all that.

It gave me the motivation to work on myself, meet new people, and start my transition into manhood. At the forum's peak, the vast amount of intellectual ideas that flowed through was beyond anybody's comprehension. Members shared how to game life itself.

Need tips to repair your car? Got that.
Need style about leather jackets? Got that.
Need to learn how to make new friends? Got that.
Need tips on how to take on 30 dudes at the club? Got that in spades.

All those tips on gaming that cute girl at the bar suddenly became applicable to a job interview. It was such a defining cauldron of thought that nothing will come close to its shadow anytime soon.

And now to the present....

It does seem like the baby is being thrown out with the bathwater.
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(01-09-2020 12:12 AM)Fortis Wrote:  Serious question:

Will you stop selling your game books as well? If you will stop selling your game materials will we get a deadline on those?

I'd like to get some clean PDFs of all of them for posterity. Not to mention, I also get to give the site and roosh a proper farewell gift.

There will be further changes soon outisde of the forum. I'll leave it at that.

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I suppose it shouldn't be surprising that faithless men simply don't understand this.

Roosh answers to a power higher than himself now. He executes what he perceives to be God's will. If you're unhappy that this includes nuking travel and meetups then you are complaining in the wrong direction. You may as well address your complaints to God or else ask Roosh directly to defy God's will so that you will not be inconvenienced or saddened by the loss of these things.

I'm serious about that last part. If you have a problem with this move then you should preface your posts in this thread with "Roosh I need you to defy God's will and..."

Then you will understand what it looks like to him when he reads it.

Meanwhile I will pray to God that he grants Roosh the strength to pull loose the vast number of spiritual parasites that have attached themselves to his soul over the years since his rise to fame. I will also pray to excise myself as being one of them and do my best to be something other than a burden to him on his path to redemption.

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(01-09-2020 02:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Roosh answers to a power higher than himself now. He executes what he perceives to be God's will. If you're unhappy that this includes nuking travel and meetups then you are complaining in the wrong direction. You may as well address your complaints to God or else ask Roosh directly to defy God's will so that you will not be inconvenienced or saddened by the loss of these things.

You really believe that meeting other members or getting vacation advice is directly defying God's Will?

You might have inhaled too much smoke from those bush fires.
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(01-09-2020 03:06 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 02:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Roosh answers to a power higher than himself now. He executes what he perceives to be God's will. If you're unhappy that this includes nuking travel and meetups then you are complaining in the wrong direction. You may as well address your complaints to God or else ask Roosh directly to defy God's will so that you will not be inconvenienced or saddened by the loss of these things.

You really believe that meeting other members or getting vacation advice is directly defying God's Will?

You might have inhaled too much smoke from those bush fires.

See, again, you're confused. Your self-important spiritual rebellion shields you from correctly interpreting plainly written English.

Go back and read the part I highlighted in colour. Read it again if you have to. As many times as it takes to figure out where you tricked yourself.

Then have a think about why your mind is so disordered, especially in any matters where you read the words "God" and "Christ".

That goes for you also, AS.

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(01-09-2020 04:09 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 03:06 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 02:38 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Roosh answers to a power higher than himself now. He executes what he perceives to be God's will. If you're unhappy that this includes nuking travel and meetups then you are complaining in the wrong direction. You may as well address your complaints to God or else ask Roosh directly to defy God's will so that you will not be inconvenienced or saddened by the loss of these things.

You really believe that meeting other members or getting vacation advice is directly defying God's Will?

You might have inhaled too much smoke from those bush fires.

See, again, you're confused. Your self-important spiritual rebellion shields you from correctly interpreting plainly written English.

Go back and read the part I highlighted in colour. Read it again if you have to. As many times as it takes to figure out where you tricked yourself.

Then have a think about why your mind is so disordered, especially in any matters where you read the words "God" and "Christ".

That goes for you also, AS.

So you think Roosh's perception is off on this matter?
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I am not in communion with God to the extent Roosh is. He had dedicated himself more thoroughly than I have to understanding and accepting God's plan for himself and his legacy.

You cannot fathom the difference between God's will in a general sense and God's plan for Roosh and his works. That's why you cannot help but boil this down to "Roosh is saying that travel is evil and against God's will."

You also display the arrogance to assume you understand God's will more generally than Roosh does (or I suspect anyone else for that matter).

Question where your bizarre self-assured opinions on God's will actually spring from. Deep, contemplative study on the matter? Transcendent meditation aided by prolonged fasting? The guidance of wise old men who have pursued their faiths for decades and decades?

Or like Lena Dunham does your opinion of God's will boil down to the simple presumption that you are a good person and therefore the things you do are good and things you promote are good?

"I am right and good and just. Also God is infallible. Therefore by default I think, speak and act as God would want. Also those who oppose me in these things are by default simply less close to God than me and they are deluding themselves."

Is this ringing any bells?

Roosh is heavily spiritually invested in following what he believes God wills of him. This does not mean his "perception is off on this matter" simply because you disagree with it. From where does your spiritual authority on this matter spring, either in relation to God's plan for Roosh or even what God does or does not want of us in a general sense?

I'm interested in an answer to that last question in particular.

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Now you're confused, Leonard, and you're trying to back pedal. You said meetups were against God's Will, I disagreed. Then you tried to say that you meant it's against Roosh's perception of God's Will, so I asked if you think his perception is right or not.

You got carried away in your original post. Everyone can see it.

So point blank, so you can't hide behind any ambiguity - Do you think it's sinful to plan meetups or get vacation advice? Yes or no would work, but you'll try a long-winded answer.
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I believe there's a commandment against idolatry.

That's not how we do things in Russia, comrade.

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(01-09-2020 04:39 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Now you're confused, Leonard, and you're trying to back pedal. You said meetups were against God's Will, I disagreed. Then you tried to say that you meant it's against Roosh's perception of God's Will, so I asked if you think his perception is right or not.

You got carried away in your original post. Everyone can see it.

So point blank, so you can't hide behind any ambiguity - Do you think it's sinful to plan meetups or get vacation advice? Yes or no would work, but you'll try a long-winded answer.

How's this for long winded. At this point you're either lying or so mentally disordered that you cannot read plain English anymore. I will pray immediately for you to be freed of this vexation.

If anyone else can provide an insight into what CS is referring to directly and where I have erred I would be grateful.

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(01-09-2020 05:09 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 04:39 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  Now you're confused, Leonard, and you're trying to back pedal. You said meetups were against God's Will, I disagreed. Then you tried to say that you meant it's against Roosh's perception of God's Will, so I asked if you think his perception is right or not.

You got carried away in your original post. Everyone can see it.

So point blank, so you can't hide behind any ambiguity - Do you think it's sinful to plan meetups or get vacation advice? Yes or no would work, but you'll try a long-winded answer.

How's this for long winded. At this point you're either lying or so mentally disordered that you cannot read plain English anymore. I will pray immediately for you to be freed of this vexation.

If anyone else can provide an insight into what CS is referring to directly and where I have erred I would be grateful.

I knew you wouldn't answer a simple question. You're a little deranged.
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(01-09-2020 12:35 AM)VNvet Wrote:  everything you need to know about women and relationships can be figured out in about a month of browsing through Heartiste.

This is a stunningly delusional statement.
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RE: Game and Travel subforums will be removed on January 13
(01-09-2020 12:54 AM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 10:13 PM)mbare Wrote:  Roosh,

Would you consider after you delete those threads, to add another subforum where people can put travel tip data sheets with a different name? Then it can just be about highlighting good hotels, good finds, restaurants, historical sites, etc. If I'm going to get info on a place, I'd like to get it from the guys on the forum instead of some other site.

Start a thread yourself. If it takes off, then it warrants a forum.



(01-08-2020 10:57 PM)Cronus Wrote:  ...
This place changed all that.

It gave me the motivation to work on myself, meet new people, and start my transition into manhood. At the forum's peak, the vast amount of intellectual ideas that flowed through was beyond anybody's comprehension. Members shared how to game life itself.

Need tips to repair your car? Got that.
Need style about leather jackets? Got that.
Need to learn how to make new friends? Got that.
Need tips on how to take on 30 dudes at the club? Got that in spades.

All those tips on gaming that cute girl at the bar suddenly became applicable to a job interview. It was such a defining cauldron of thought that nothing will come close to its shadow anytime soon.

And now to the present....

It does seem like the baby is being thrown out with the bathwater.

Sure thing, thanks for the advice. However... I invite you to do some self intropsection. I was speaking to Roosh directly. No need to be a self righteous imbecile telling me what I need to do. My biggest contributions have been to travel, so I take the dissolving of it personally.

I hope Roosh realizes there are other important aspects to travel that he inquired about when traveling across the U.S., that have nothing to do with gaming women.
01-09-2020 05:44 AM
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RE: Game and Travel subforums will be removed on January 13
I really wonder if the end goal is to slowly delete this forum, piece by piece, until it remains nothing of it.
If yes, why not simply close it, delete it entirely, and place a fresh religious one at the same URL?

Put the suffering dog down, show mercy, instead of amputating its limbs (Threads & Banned Members) one by one, while it's still alive.
It's just painful to watch at this point.
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RE: Game and Travel subforums will be removed on January 13
Travel and Game are low-value 'entertainment' subforums. Game basically taught men to up their notches but at the end of the day they still have little power over women, themselves or society. If anything men with PUA-type 'Game', which is not really Game, are really beta. This is because real Alpha Game is about Power not Sex.

Men need to focus on gaining power not being a loser sex-tourist. Tourism is for women.
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