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The Coronavirus Pandemic thread I
Don't know much about it but it seems like a big deal. Here's Laowai's video about it:





Quote:The coronavirus in China is spreading, and largely could have been prevented. A town 7 km from where the virus was discovered in Wuhan had a state run banquet with 100,000 people eating off of the same dishes. This was 2 days after 49 cases were confirmed in Wuhan, China. The Chinese government is trying to save face, and now it is backfiring.

https://nypost.com/2020/01/20/british-to...ronavirus/

Quote:British tourist feared to be victim of deadly new Chinese coronavirus

A British tourist is feared to have contracted the mysterious coronavirus that’s sweeping Asia after he was hospitalized on a trip to Thailand, according to a report.

Ash Shorley, 32, was admitted in critical condition to a Phuket hospital, where he’s being treated for pneumonia-like lung infections, the Sun reported.

Doctors believe his symptoms are consistent with the new Chinese coronavirus, which has killed three patients and infected hundreds of others.

“They think he is the first Western victim of the Chinese flu,” his father, Chris, told the outlet. “We are waiting on tests.”

Shorley — who had been traveling around Southeast Asia — became ill and his lungs collapsed on Koh Phi Phi island, the outlet reported.

He was transported on a special seaplane to the hospital because his lung damage prevented travel at higher altitudes, the report said.

“He wasn’t able to go above a certain altitude because his lungs would pop,” his mom, Julie, told the Sun. “They managed to get him here and if it wasn’t for the doctors’ expertise, he would be dead by now.”

While at the hospital, Shorley had around 70 ounces of liquid drained from his lungs, according to the report.

Chris Shorley said doctors informed him that his son was two days away from death when he arrived at the hospital.

“If he wasn’t so fit and healthy before, he wouldn’t be with us now,” his father told the Sun.

“Anyone traveling to Asia, I would say to you, get a mask,” his father said. “Everyone here is wearing masks, there are people coughing everywhere.”

The SARS-like outbreak is believed to have originated in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, where 198 cases have been recorded.

The country has confirmed a total of 217 cases of the mysterious illness — with five patients in the capital city, Beijing, and 14 in Guangdong, state broadcaster CCTV reported.

Officials said the epidemic has spread to Thailand and Japan with the cases involving recent travel from China.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51171035

Quote:New China virus: Cases triple as infection spreads to Beijing and Shanghai

The number of people infected with a new virus in China tripled over the weekend, with the outbreak spreading from Wuhan to other major cities.

There are now more than 200 cases, mostly in Wuhan, though the respiratory illness has also been detected in Beijing, Shanghai and Shenzhen.

Three people have died. Japan, Thailand and South Korea have reported cases.

The new strain of coronavirus, which causes a type of pneumonia, can pass from person to person, China confirmed.

Respiratory expert Zhong Nanshan, who heads the health commission team investigating the virus, said 14 medical workers had caught it while treating patients, state media reported.

The sharp rise comes as millions of Chinese prepare to travel for the Lunar New Year holidays.

Although the outbreak is believed to have originated from a market, officials and scientists are yet to determine exactly how it has been spreading.

Experts in the UK told the BBC the number of people infected could still be far greater than official figures suggest, with estimates closer to 1,700.

Who has been infected?

Authorities in Wuhan, a central Chinese city of 11 million that has been at the heart of the outbreak, on Monday said 136 new cases had been confirmed over the weekend, with a third person dying of the virus. There had previously been only 62 confirmed cases in the city.

As of late Sunday, officials said 170 people in Wuhan were still being treated in hospital, including nine in critical condition.

Beijing also confirmed its first cases, with five people infected. Shanghai confirmed its first case on Monday - a 56-year-old woman who came from Wuhan.

State media reported 14 other cases in Guangdong province.

Four cases have been confirmed abroad - two in Thailand, one in Japan and one in South Korea - all of them involving people who are either from Wuhan or have visited the city.

In South Korea, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said a 35-year-old Chinese woman was suffering from a fever and respiratory problems after travelling there from Wuhan. She was put into isolation and treated at a local hospital.

The World Health Organization said it was currently not recommending restrictions on travel or trade, but was providing guidance to countries preparing for any outbreak.

Airports in Singapore, Hong Kong and the Japanese capital Tokyo have been screening air passengers from Wuhan, and US authorities last week announced similar measures at three major airports in San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York.

What are the Chinese authorities saying?

How China is responding to the outbreak is under close scrutiny, given that it was widely criticised for initially covering up the Sars crisis in late 2002 and early 2003.

On Monday, Chinese President Xi Jinping for the first time publicly addressed the outbreak, saying that the virus must be "resolutely contained".

The foreign ministry, meanwhile, said China was providing "timely information about the disease" and would "work with all parties to deal with the virus".

China's National Health Commission on Monday confirmed that two cases in China were due to human-to-human transmission, state-run Xinhua news agency reported.

The commission had earlier said there had been no such cases, but that the virus had instead crossed the species barrier and come from infected animals at a seafood and wildlife market in Wuhan.

The WHO also said it believed there had been "some limited human-to-human transmission occurring between close contacts".

"As more… cases are identified and more analysis undertaken, we will get a clearer picture of disease severity and transmission patterns," it wrote on Twitter.

It noted that the rise in cases in China was a result of "increased searching and testing for [the virus] among people sick with respiratory illness".

It's a time when hundreds of millions travel around China to visit family, raising fears that authorities will not be able to adequately monitor further spread of the disease.

Wuhan is a transport hub and authorities there have for nearly a week been using temperature scanners at airports, and train and bus stations. Those showing signs of fever have been registered, given masks and taken to hospitals and clinics.

At Beijing's central railway station, some travellers donned masks but did not appear overly concerned about the virus.

"Watching the news, I do feel a little worried. But I haven't taken precautionary measures beyond wearing regular masks," Li Yang, a 28-year-old account manager travelling to the region of Inner Mongolia, told the AFP news agency.

But the tone in Chinese social media, where the outbreak has been a top trending topic, was different.

"Who knows how many people who have been to Wuhan may be unaware that they have already been infected?" one Weibo user said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china...ZD16J?il=0

Quote:WHO says new China coronavirus could spread, warns hospitals worldwide

Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that can cause infections ranging from the common cold to SARS. A Chinese woman has been quarantined in Thailand with a mystery strain of coronavirus, Thai authorities said on Monday, the first time the virus has been detected outside China.

In all, 41 cases of pneumonia have been reported in the central Chinese city of Wuhan, which preliminary lab tests cited by state media showed could be from a new type of coronavirus, and one patient has died. There have since been no new cases or deaths, Wuhan health authorities said on Tuesday.

“From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, acting head of WHO’s emerging diseases unit.

The WHO is however preparing for the possibility that there could be a wider outbreak, she told a Geneva news briefing. “It is still early days, we don’t have a clear clinical picture.”

Some types of the virus cause less serious diseases, while others - like the one that causes MERS - are far more severe.

The U.N. agency has given guidance to hospitals worldwide about infection prevention and control in case the new virus spreads. There is no specific treatment for the new virus, but anti-virals are being considered and could be “re-purposed”, Van Kerkhove said.

With Chinese New Year approaching on Jan. 25, when many Chinese tourists visit Thailand, the WHO called on Thai authorities, the public and holidaymakers to be on alert.

Richard Brow, the agency’s representative in Thailand, said anyone with a fever and cough who had spent time in Wuhan should get checked out by a health worker.
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So many possible conspiracy theories.

Is this like SARs? That was contained pretty well, is this like Ebola? If yes, thank goodness its in China instead of Africa. I feel like China would firebomb the entire cities to stop its spread to the rich/ruling class where as Africa is truly every man for himself.

Is it a Gardasil like scam where its an engineered virus, with an already almost complete vaccine that will be sold to every country like Tamiflu.

I'm already in isolation mode with my family just for the normal flu season so I can't say my routine is going to change at all.

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(01-22-2020 05:13 PM)Dr. Howard Wrote:  f yes, thank goodness its in China instead of Africa. I feel like China would firebomb the entire cities to stop its spread to the rich/ruling class where as Africa is truly every man for himself.


But the flipside is China has a lot of flights going in and out to the west and the rest of the world. In some ways Africa it's more contained.
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The "getbiggers" have been talking about this over on their forum (http://www.getbig.com). They say it is worse than the media is reporting. However, I think this thing will blow over like SARS in spring of '03.
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(01-22-2020 06:25 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  The "getbiggers" have been talking about this over on their forum (http://www.getbig.com). They say it is worse than the media is reporting. However, I think this thing will blow over like SARS in spring of '03.

I agree it'll end up mostly a non-issue, but if my Taiwanese friend is correct (she hates the Chinese, as they all do, so take it with a grain of salt) it's already worse than SARS.
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Why do these things always originate in China? The Spanish flu, SARS, avian flu all started there. Even the black death during midieval times, when China was cleaner and more civilised than Europe started there. Is it to do with population density? So why don't they ever begin in India?
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(01-22-2020 06:39 PM)Horus Wrote:  Why do these things always originate in China? The Spanish flu, SARS, avian flu all started there. Even the black death during midieval times, when China was cleaner and more civilised than Europe started there. Is it to do with population density? So why don't they ever begin in India?

A lot of it has to do with the way they prepare their meat, how they treat their animals, and how they deal with grey and black water. Add to the way they live so close to each other, and anything that hops from animal to man is going to spread fast.

This virus seems to have a pretty high kill rate. The first case in the USA is about 45 minutes south of me. I am also in one of the areas outside of China with the highest concentration of mainland Chinese. I had lunch with a Hong Kong client yesterday and he said his family is already preparing to hole up. Any mainland kids heading back to China are being told by other kids to not come back to school after new years.

Right now, the largest human migration in the history of the world is taking place. If there was ever the right time, place and conditions for the virus to do some real brutal damage, now is it.

Canada, in all its SJW wisdom is asking people from Chinese flights - and any other flight just because 'racist' - to "please let us know if you feel odd. Sorry. Of course this is only if you want to. Sorry again." Japan, Korea and Taiwan are making people stand in front of a thermal image machine.

In a way, I am glad that the Japanese have a current case of this. It allows some doctors not beholden to the CCP to get the virus information to the rest of the world.
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(01-22-2020 06:39 PM)Horus Wrote:  Why do these things always originate in China? The Spanish flu, SARS, avian flu all started there. Even the black death during midieval times, when China was cleaner and more civilised than Europe started there. Is it to do with population density? So why don't they ever begin in India?

“China sees a lot of unsafe animal-human interaction, which is behind the spread of most of these zoonotic viruses, which transmit from animals to humans. And, unlike India, the animal markets (wet markets) have live animals, which are kept in closed space and culled for fresh meat."

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/why-...76478.html

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Africa brings us Ebola, China brings us SARS (and the flu every year), India is the origin of every antibiotic resistance.

Europe just is boring I guess.
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I remember during the SARS epidemic people were saying that no smokers got it, I was gonna quit soon, may have to wait it out.

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Read up on flu mutation a while back. The World Health Organization has teams in Asia that quickly responds to any new flu type illness. They have the budget to cull entire chicken farms in entire villages. The farmers are cool with it cause they get paid the going rate. Thing is, these farmers also raise fighting cocks and they hide those because they are much more valuable.

So far the flu has only mutated to affect other livestock or some shit. When it mutates to a strain that kills people we are going to see a pandemic. Every year there's something like 20 new strains detected. Every year that's 20 rolls of the dice. We are long overdue for for a pandemic.

The people in these villages live with the chickens and there's chicken crap everywhere. The kids play in chicken crap. They dont wash their hands.

They sell flu resistant masks on Amazon. There wont be enough for everybody if a pandemic occurs. They'll be sold out within hours.
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(01-22-2020 06:39 PM)Horus Wrote:  Why do these things always originate in China? The Spanish flu, SARS, avian flu all started there. Even the black death during midieval times, when China was cleaner and more civilised than Europe started there. Is it to do with population density? So why don't they ever begin in India?

Pattern recognition of Chinese room mates over the years that's why.Sick

https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74154.html

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(01-22-2020 06:39 PM)Horus Wrote:  Why do these things always originate in China? The Spanish flu, SARS, avian flu all started there. Even the black death during midieval times, when China was cleaner and more civilised than Europe started there. Is it to do with population density? So why don't they ever begin in India?

I had to stand in line at the airport in honk kong once, the "line" is people pushed up against you with their chest in your back. There were people coughing/hacking and just wiping the snot off with their hands and wiping in on their pants, meanwhile some guy with a chicken in a box beside me, the chicken was trying to bite my elbow.

That wasn't even in "real" china. I can totally see how the diseases spread there.

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Last I saw, 17 were killed from 500+ infected. Probably scores more were infected but didn't report it. Hopefully it just ends up being another flu strain.

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Search on Youtube for - gutter oil.

On an empty stomach that is...


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Found it for you :

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^They take their "street food" too literally...

(01-22-2020 06:39 PM)Horus Wrote:  Why do these things always originate in China? The Spanish flu, SARS, avian flu all started there. Even the black death during midieval times, when China was cleaner and more civilised than Europe started there. Is it to do with population density? So why don't they ever begin in India?

The "Spanish Flu", which I believe is the deadliest viral epidemic in modern times, was most likely engineered in the US, at a midwestern army lab.

Most of the other flus were probably "naturally" incubated in the cesspools of southern China with avian and porcine vectors.

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It’s pretty cool that they named it after a Mexican beer.

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This guy lived in china and is connected china via his marriage. So he receives inside info on this kind of thing:




A lot of coverup going on. To save face.
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(01-22-2020 06:39 PM)Horus Wrote:  Why do these things always originate in China? The Spanish flu, SARS, avian flu all started there. Even the black death during midieval times, when China was cleaner and more civilised than Europe started there. Is it to do with population density? So why don't they ever begin in India?

The black death originates in Central Asia or North-Western modern China and is endemic to the region prior to its spread.

China was actually normally confined to modern east china and actually never had contact with the black death.

The mongol conquests connected this area to the rest of the world And it spread along the silk road and mongol empire through which it reached Europe.

It never actually spread to china until the 19th century since it wasn't properly connected to East Asia.
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Good rundown in this article:


How does this coronavirus compare to past respiratory pandemics?

The 1918 Spanish Influenza - or H1N1 virus - remains the most devastating flu pandemic in modern history. The disease swept around the globe and is estimated to have caused between 50 and 100 million deaths.

The same virus was also behind the 2009 swine flu outbreak, which is thought to have killed as many as 575,400 people.

Other major influenza outbreaks include the Asian flu in 1957, which led to roughly two million deaths, and the Hong Kong flu 11 years later which killed one million people.

But coronavirus outbreaks have been far smaller. Sars eventually spread to 27 countries in total, infecting around 8,000 people and killing 700.

Mers on the other hand has proved less explosive but more tenacious - it first emerged in 2012 in Jordan, when it jumped from camels to humans, and then spread throughout the Arabian peninsula.

Around 2,500 cases of the disease have been identified so far and, while the disease hit a peak of more than 600 cases in 2014, there were still more than 190 cases last year. It is more deadly than Sars, and has claimed around 850 lives in total.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-healt...treatment/

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They think this new virus came from kraits and cobras. It's deja vu as SARS came from people eating palm civets who had eaten infected bats.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...-in-china/

Quote:Snakes Could Be the Original Source of the New Coronavirus Outbreak in China By Haitao Guo, Guangxiang "George" Luo, Shou-Jiang Gao, The Conversation US on January 22, 2020

A study of the virus's genetic sequence suggests similarities to that seen in snakes, but the origin must still be verified

Snakes—the Chinese krait and the Chinese cobra—may be the original source of the newly discovered coronavirus that has triggered an outbreak of a deadly infectious respiratory illness in China this winter.

The many-banded krait (Bungarus multicinctus), also known as the Taiwanese krait or the Chinese krait, is a highly venomous species of elapid snake found in much of central and southern China and Southeast Asia. Briston/Wikimedia, CC BY-SA

The illness was first reported in late December 2019 in Wuhan, a major city in central China, and has been rapidly spreading. Since then, sick travelers from Wuhan have infected people in China and other countries, including the United States.

Using samples of the virus isolated from patients, scientists in China have determined the genetic code of the virus and used microscopes to photograph it. The pathogen responsible for this pandemic is a new coronavirus. It’s in the same family of viruses as the well-known severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV), which have killed hundreds of people in the past 17 years. The World Health Organization (WHO) has named the new coronavirus 2019-nCoV.
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Both SARS and MERS are classified as zoonotic viral diseases, meaning the first patients who were infected acquired these viruses directly from animals. This was possible because while in the animal host, the virus had acquired a series of genetic mutations that allowed it to infect and multiply inside humans.

Now these viruses can be transmitted from person to person. Field studies have revealed that the original source of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV is the bat, and that the masked palm civets (a mammal native to Asia and Africa) and camels, respectively, served as intermediate hosts between bats and humans.

In the case of this 2019 coronavirus outbreak, reports state that most of the first group of patients hospitalized were workers or customers at a local seafood wholesale market which also sold processed meats and live consumable animals including poultry, donkeys, sheep, pigs, camels, foxes, badgers, bamboo rats, hedgehogs and reptiles. However, since no one has ever reported finding a coronavirus infecting aquatic animals, it is plausible that the coronavirus may have originated from other animals sold in that market.

The hypothesis that the 2019-nCoV jumped from an animal at the market is strongly supported by a new publication in the Journal of Medical Virology. The scientists conducted an analysis and compared the genetic sequences of 2019-nCoV and all other known coronaviruses.

The study of the genetic code of 2019-nCoV reveals that the new virus is most closely related to two bat SARS-like coronavirus samples from China, initially suggesting that, like SARS and MERS, the bat might also be the origin of 2019-nCoV. The authors further found that the DNA coding sequence of 2019-nCoV spike protein, which forms the “crown” of the virus particle that recognizes the receptor on a host cell, indicates that the bat virus might have mutated before infecting people.

But when the researchers performed a more detailed bioinformatics analysis of the sequence of 2019-nCoV, it suggests that this coronavirus might come from snakes.

The researchers used an analysis of the protein codes favored by the new coronavirus and compared it to the protein codes from coronaviruses found in different animal hosts, like birds, snakes, marmots, hedgehogs, manis, bats and humans. Surprisingly, they found that the protein codes in the 2019-nCoV are most similar to those used in snakes.

Snakes often hunt for bats in wild. Reports indicate that snakes were sold in the local seafood market in Wuhan, raising the possibility that the 2019-nCoV might have jumped from the host species—bats—to snakes and then to humans at the beginning of this coronavirus outbreak. However, how the virus could adapt to both the cold-blooded and warm-blooded hosts remains a mystery.

The authors of the report and other researchers must verify the origin of the virus through laboratory experiments. Searching for the 2019-nCoV sequence in snakes would be the first thing to do. However, since the outbreak, the seafood market has been disinfected and shut down, which makes it challenging to trace the new virus’ source animal.

Sampling DNA from animals sold at the market and from wild snakes and bats is needed to confirm the origin of the virus. Nonetheless, the reported findings will also provide insights for developing prevention and treatment protocols.

The 2019-nCoV outbreak is another reminder that people should limit the consumption of wild animals to prevent zoonotic infections.
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(01-22-2020 07:06 PM)Laner Wrote:  This virus seems to have a pretty high kill rate. The first case in the USA is about 45 minutes south of me. I am also in one of the areas outside of China with the highest concentration of mainland Chinese.

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01-23-2020 12:13 AM
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RE: The Chinese/Asian coronavirus thread
(01-22-2020 06:39 PM)Horus Wrote:  Why do these things always originate in China? The Spanish flu, SARS, avian flu all started there. Even the black death during midieval times, when China was cleaner and more civilised than Europe started there. Is it to do with population density? So why don't they ever begin in India?

The short answer is two-fold.

First, there's a shit ton of people living in ultra close proximity.

Wuhan has about 11,000,000 people.

It's apparently the seventh largest city in China, but that seems spurious because it definitely has less people than: Shanghai, Beijing, Tianjin, Guangzhou, Shenzhen, Chongqing and Chengdu, and I don't even know about other massive cities like Zhengzhou, Nanjing, Changsha and I could go on and on.

Be that as it may, let's call it the 8th-10th biggest city in China.

It would be the 4th-6th largest city in the entire Western Hemisphere (NYC, Sao Paulo and Mexico City being definitively ahead).

Secondly, the Chinese aren't clean people.

They share the continent with India so they don't immediately spring to mind, but that's like thinking you can take Mike Tyson because you won a tournament at your local gym.

Commonplace occurrences and behavior includes:

- Meat and chopped fruit and vegetables stored without refrigeration.

- Children dropping trou to piss and shit in the street. Adults if they can't find a bathroom have to be more discreet and pray no one sees them.

- There's also widespread shameless public nose picking, snot-rocketing, coughing, spitting and farting.

- Of bathrooms; There isn't nearly enough of them and they're frequently filthy. Only water is used to clean them, and there's one particular metro station in Shenzhen - this place is massive, and is a four line connection hub, I bet close to half a million people pass through it each day...A measly four stalls in the men's room located by exit A.

- Poor sanitation and cheapness. 'Oh this bottle of soap that the kids use is almost done! Instead of paying 10¥ for a new bottle, just fill it halfway with water instead!'

- Filial Piety. One of the biggest reasons why I'm not at all sold on the idea of China as the next superpower is that you have the younger generations being raised by their grandparents. The very same grandparents who survived the Cultural Revolution and therefore have about the equivalent of a modern third grade education. A lot of the young upper-middle class Chinese professionals I've met are quite westernized in some of their views, while their kids are one step above climbing a tree to fling their crap at each other for this reason.

- Quacky TCM and little concept of preventative medicine. Western medicine clearly has a dark side, but it's certainly more effective than the BS TCM recipe that's been passed down for over 2000 years that's singlehandedly driving several species to extinction. Many people don't wash their hands, young kids have disgusting black teeth because to their parents 'the baby teeth will just fall out anyways!', you see people wearing the same clothes for a week or more at a time, sick kids getting sent to school because their parents don't want them to fall behind etc.,

- Food safety is a huge issue. You can look up things like gutter oil scandal, New Zealand milk scandal, kindergarten food scandal...in fact I'd bet if you typed in 'China food scandal' you'd probably get brought to a Wikipedia page listing them. Late last year I remembered reading an article that said something like half of the beef you see in supermarkets isn't really beef.

So yeah, a large population of slovenly people.

And very few of them seem to have a problem with any of this.

I am surprised more hasn't come from India, though I'd be willing to guess that all those years of British occupation meant lots of western infrastructure was built.
01-23-2020 12:30 AM
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RE: The Chinese/Asian coronavirus thread
^^^^^^^
When I saw this thread on the forum, it was right on top of the one called "Glamourous Chinese Female Web Celeb Exposed - Her Apartment is full of Dogshit."

I was gonna make a comment connecting the two, but felt I was being mean-spirited.

However, after reading the previous (gross-out) post by Nonpareil, I don't feel bad saying the following: If you have a country where people let dogs crap in the apartment, odds are you're opening yourself up to major viruses.

I've heard of the of the issues Nonpareil described and assumed people were exaggerating. Guess not.
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