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The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
Female Dating Strategy seems to be gaining traction. I have only been reading through reddit. Generally the posts are extremely toxic with the aim of finding a "HVM" AKA someone who makes a lot of money and does everything she wants without a spine.

Anyone else following this trend? What your are thoughts?
02-05-2020 12:03 PM
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
You can start by giving us a detailed overview of what this is, along with links.

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02-05-2020 12:07 PM
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
(02-05-2020 12:03 PM)22qwert22 Wrote:  Female Dating Strategy seems to be gaining traction. I have only been reading through reddit. Generally the posts are extremely toxic with the aim of finding a "HVM" AKA someone who makes a lot of money and does everything she wants without a spine.

Anyone else following this trend? What your are thoughts?

Do you mean, its a new trend, or its spreading to 'normie' women? Female dating strategy, aka "Gold digging" has existed for decades among the following subcultures:

- black women trying to get knocked up by basketball players
- strippers
- southern girls attending colleges such as LSU, Alabama and Ole Miss

Kanye West even wrote a song about it

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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
Nothing to see here. Typed it into (((google))) out of sheer morbid curiosity and it brought me to the reddit page and it was exactly what I suspected:

A bunch of bitter, entitled ham beasts who are completely jaded from dating/men.

If I were to put money on it, the majority of the females posting are over 30 years of age and below a 5 in looks.

So irrelevant, and so easy to ignore they are. Keep shreeking ladies!!!

This should actually go in the Clown World thread.
02-05-2020 12:56 PM
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
(02-05-2020 12:07 PM)Roosh Wrote:  You can start by giving us a detailed overview of what this is, along with links.

Indeed.

Here's the subreddit which, as far as I know, is the center of the FDS universe: https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/

Here's a thread where they explain some of their core concepts: https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStr...trategies/

They have some conceptual overlap with the red pill. For example, they talk about "high-value males" and they are making a deliberate effort to obtain one. I think that's a step in the right direction because normally women don't "think" about this shit at all. Normally, they just follow their feelings like a leaf blowing in the wind: "vagina tingles are truth."

The big difference between FDS and The Red Pill is that FDS's "strategy" amounts to little more than being extra, extra selective. They're big on labeling a man as "low value" and then nexting them. By contrast, the core idea in The Red Pill is: "what do women find attractive; how can we be that."

TRP says, "I want to change myself into something women will find attractive" while FDS says, "I'm going to keep nexting men until a HVM comes along" - it never crosses their mind to ask what HVM want in women.

One of the active posters there also has a youtube channel where she gives relationship advice. For that reason, she was willing to show her face. Here she is with some of her FDS posts:

[Image: rZiI8PM.jpg]

And here she is giving relationship advice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeMXEWq_BRk

FDS is kind of fascinating to me. Women start off by rejecting *at least* 80% of men. But then, they're still not happy. The top 20% men still wont commit to them. So, their cunning plan is, "let's reject more of them!!" It never occurs to them to be better women.
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
(02-05-2020 01:26 PM)prophet60091 Wrote:  FDS says, "I'm going to keep nexting men until a HVM comes along" - it never crosses their mind to ask what HVM want in women.

Sounds ripe for disqualification and script flipping.
"Sorry, I'm really looking for a woman with a ...
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
^^^^^^

Didn't I mention something about the girls being under a 5???

I'm so sick and tired of things being oh so predictable.
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
(02-05-2020 01:26 PM)prophet60091 Wrote:  One of the active posters there also has a youtube channel where she gives relationship advice. For that reason, she was willing to show her face. Here she is with some of her FDS posts:

[Image: rZiI8PM.jpg]

So, I'm guessing said "HVM" will need to provide their own forklift to cart this cow around?

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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
Hot girls don't need a female dating strategy.
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
Just wow....big wow. To see such delusions in real time. Who can hardly blame a guy with potential on the fence see this shit and go fuck it I'm on MGTOW wagon now. Its truly sickening when you realize that same vile woman would have been more humble and happy to meet a guy willing to overlook her fat mediocre body for pleasant demeanor and character not even 30 years ago. Hell I would have myself as long as she doesn't have a stomach fold. (It's possible)

Such delusions.

That FDS lady would've been easily a seven plus with 40 pounds loss. Not going to make up for shitty personality though. In fact it'd be magnified 10x worse.
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FDS...thats apropos if it comes in 55 gal drums

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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
This is a problem that will largely solve itself. More attractive women are less likely to take this up as they don't have any problems getting men willing to commit.

Like certain strands of feminism, FDS is likely to appeal to less attractive women who cannot currently extract resources or good treatment from men and society at large through their looks alone. They will instead waste years of their life in FDS becoming more gold-diggeresque and otherwise repelling the high value men that they crave.

They have not yet learned the lessons that many unattractive male PUA followers had to learn over years; there is no shortcut or cheat code to self development. You cannot avoid facing your core weaknesses. I saw many guys in the old PUA scene who were fat, had anxiety, slovenly, were socially stunted or had some other critical weakness that was holding them back. They operated under the delusion that they didn't need to address their difficult underlying issues and could instead use PUA as a crutch.

Such is the case with the homely women here. Rather than acknowledge that they need to hit the gym, therapist or embrace their femininity they instead will pour vast hours into learning how nexting low value men will get them a ring from an alpha.

Over time the less delusional will see where they went wrong and hopefully course correct before they hit the wall. For others, this is a philosophy they will ride into their Cat Lady years.
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
Seems like a mixed bag.

Some of it is legitimate (avoiding fuckboys, married men, dick pics, etc), striving to gain commitment towards marriage with a high value guy.

The problem is that all of these women are veterans of the dating war. And it is a dating war, for both men and women. Women wade through a pile of shit just like we do. But these women are approaching dating in bad faith. This means that are dating with a trust-no-one, combative, transactional style. They aren't talking about how to offer enough value for a man to commit. They are preaching low value traits, such as openly dating multiple men, not emotionally or physically investing, etc. They don't trust men to commit to them, so this mistrust is manifested in their dating strategies.

Most likely, their dating strategies will work on men who don't have enough spine or options to have standards and low value dealbreakers: "Hey, she's dating other guys and she's making me chase her for one date a week, but she's definitely the best I can do, so I'll put up with it."

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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
propher60091 nailed it.

I heard about FDS from WIA's blog a few weeks ago and decided to check it out. It's filled complaining and unattractive behaviour.
Very negative and focused on blaming men instead of asking why they keep running into the same type of guy they are trying to avoid.

Probably half the posts are hating on men. It was oddly funny to see how clueless these women were. Like going a zoo of retards.

They have this term of derision called "Pick Mes" to refer to women who try to appeal to what men find attractive. Cook and clean, give massages, be supportive etc.
Nope! You shouldn't do that. You should only expect and demand. Because you're worth it. What?!

There's no 'strategy' except pray they meet a 'HVM' that is also a huge simp.

They ain't selling what men are buying. These hoes need guidance.
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(rethought comment).

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FDS is the female equivalent of MGTOW.

"What? I'm not single because I'm ugly, bitter, and a huge loser, no, no... I'm single because I CHOOSE to be."

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Just a pathetic defense mechanism used by people at the bottom of the dating pool.

I honestly feel bad for these folks. They've struck out on love so many times, they become bitter and make their situation 10x worse. This is true of MGTOW and FDS. Notice how all these loser online cliques have their own lingo so they can create a feeling of belongingness and some kind of power over others (in contrast to their own real-life powerlessness).

These types need a good friend who will walk them out of a dark place. Such friends are not only hard to come by, but who wants to try and spend their time on such cases...? Seems like a lost cause to nearly anyone.

It's sad to watch but nothing anyone can do, it seems. Just another consequence of our ****ed up dating market.

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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
There is no "female dating strategy" among normal girls. It's a non issue. Women don't organise like this. They don't have capacity.
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(02-05-2020 01:26 PM)prophet60091 Wrote:  TRP says, "I want to change myself into something women will find attractive" while FDS says, "I'm going to keep nexting men until a HVM comes along" - it never crosses their mind to ask what HVM want in women.

Good post. The point above is key-- I remember that Lori Alexander article from 2018 noting that men prefer debt-free virgins without tattoos. The response was the same outraged, "but what about" shriek-fest that always occurs when someone tells women the truth. Instead of "hey, maybe I should drop some pounds, get my tattoos removed, repent of my past and stop fornicating altogether, get under some sound teaching, and learn to act like a lady," we get the old "prize to be won" chestnut:

FDSers advocate for the woman putting herself first. You, as a woman have inherent value and as such, you’re the prize. He should work to earn your love, respect and commitment. A man that you have to chase is not a man worth having.

HVM also don't mind liars and should have no concern whatsoever for where a woman has been:

FDSers do not support being upfront about a woman’s sexual past/sexual history. No matter how many men you’ve (bleep)ed in the past, your answer whenever a new guy asks, should range from 3-5. Would point out that a guy even petty enough to ask in the first place, is a red flag on its own.
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That forum is equal parts sad and repulsive. On one hand you pity these women. They are casualties of the sexually liberated culture that told them that sex was no big deal and that women should sleep around. No doubt they've all been pumped and dumped repeatedly and bear the emotional scars from their experiences with men. But their pain has turned to bitterness and rendered them monstrous. Their feminine temperaments are completely gone. They are consumed with narcissistic rage. In their minds, the world owes them a "high value man" as a sort of penance for inflicting their past traumas upon them. This is why you see zero discussion about self-improvement: this would entail a degree of responsibility for their situation. But they view themselves as victims, not as agents who freely made moral and ethical choices of their own accord.

Perhaps the most telling (and disturbing) thing about that forum is the utter lack of any discussion of children. You would assume that women who were that obsessed with finding a good man would be doing so primarily for the purpose of starting a family. But I read through several pages worth of posts and didn't even see any mention of children at all. Which speaks volumes. These women are completely self-absorbed. Their desire for a high-value man is entirely selfish. He exists only to make her life easier and better. There is not even the faintest suggestion that any sacrifice or service to anyone besides herself might be required. To say that these women are damaged goods would be charitable. They're more like soulless husks of femininity, the tragic remains of something which once was beautiful, innocent and charming, but which became corrupted and slowly rotted from the inside out, and now resembles nothing so much as a desiccated corpse that has been completely drained of all its lifeblood.

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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
Honestly I see this as a good thing for them, despite the fact you will see plenty of jaded women - just like you do at TRP because life has dealt them a rough hand.

That said when I read this subreddit, it makes me glad I'm married and not potentially going on dates with some of these women who would think they are entitled to me, despite not bringing major things to the plate.

If you as a women are posting there and trying to get help, it means (1) that you are probably below average and not getting approached by men and/or (2) you haven't had success in attracting the men you want for various reasons besides physical attractiveness.

These women already know deep down the world doesnt owe them a HVM and have been made to experience this to their core through the savagery of the current dating situation, hedonism, and feeling of being used.

It's probably why you see such an anger toward men, just like you see at TRP toward women.


https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStr...urce=share

Sure there are going to be some on FDS who are gonna be cynical , clinical, and almost machiavellian in how they view the men they are seeking, but if you are sick of getting of pumped and dumped and being a bootycall, but never an actual option for a good guy, you want to try to actually address it.

This post for instance where the women is tired of what I think most of us would see as a guy who is not gonna make a good husband: I Just Cut Off Permanently With A Man...


One of those posts is a girl who while is looking for "hot" guys, is still looking for a husband. She will definitely want to be selective. If you are a woman, you want the best man you can find, just as any guy wants and are going to try and find the best strategies and ways to do that.

If you arent the best looking girl, its gonna be harder but it also might force some of these girls to look deeper and further at potential guys then they do overtime. The first step to that is thinking and talking about it with other women who are doing the same.

Now granted, if you read their rules and plenty of their posts, many of these women want a solid 10 when they are likely a 5. That's probably not gonna happen and this is their place to rant and point fingers at how shitty men are.

What's hopeful is that some will look beyond that and see men for who they can become regardless of whether they look like Chris Hemsworth. Anger is the first step. What will have to happen is they go past it and a loathing of men to an understanding that they will have to be the best version of themselves, constantly improving to really get the man they've always wanted- even if they cant see him yet.

Am I missing something?

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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
Femcels, basically. Like incels, most of them could get a partner if they applied themselves, recognized their weaknesses, improved themselves, thought about what they have to offer.

Instead they just want it served up to them, they feel entitled to it.
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
I wouldn't necessarily put this on par with MGTOW, but of course MGTOW is more of an ideology than a movement. There are guys all over the spectrum who agree with its premises and shape their lives accordingly. There are guys who are MGTOW because they have no choice but to be, and there are attractive, wealthy, high-SMV men who are MGTOW because they see it as the best way to protect their time, energy, and assets. By way of comparison, FDS appears to be exclusively women with very low SMV trying to brute-force their way to privileges that pretty girls get with no effort.

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That last sentence is an accurate description of any “get laid quick” PUA system as well.

In both cases the actual solution is one the people involved don’t want to hear because it involves going scorched earth on destructive habits and replacing them with productive ones that require hard work.
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
The great majority of the stuff these women are complaining about is caused by feminism and "sexual liberation," which these lasses probably all support. Much of the rest of it is the same bad parenting that these ladies got. They highly overrate their own value.

Why are there 100 "swinging d****" out there for every FDS lass? Because women give it out, and so, like fish swimming around a kid throwing bread in the water, men are content to get it for free.

EMJ chronicles this in Libido Dominandi. Women like Mary Wollstonecraft and Alexandra Kollantai embraced proto versions of sexual liberation, only to be hoisted by their own petard eventually. Jealousies, bitterness, diseases, frustration at that HVM who eludes their hook because he's too busy swimming around looking for his own free bread. It's the same trail of misery promised in the book of Proverbs.
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RE: The Rise of FDS [Female Dating Strategy]
Gosh some of it reads like fastseduction or sosuave circa 2003. They really are that far behind.
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