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Fire dancing/performance and God.
I have been performing fire dancing, specifically contact fire staff for about 1.5 years now and I have become quick accomplished. The danger inherent in playing with fire really helped me reach a “flow state.” I would consider it similar to the state you reach when you are trying to pickup women but more inwardly focused.

All my thoughts and cares fade away and I am completely one with the present moment. It really helps me gain clarity and see through off of the noise to what is very important.

I have also been experimenting with psychedelics which have shown me the eastern thought we are all one; that the universe is one and that the micro equals macro. You see it in the vast distances that separates the photons and electrons in molecules similarly to the vast distances that separates the star in galaxies.

This has shown me that there has to be a higher power because of just a small part of this force that pervades the rules that governs the cosmos was off everything would cease to exist as we know it.

So I have been seeing the good universe. But, around the that Roosh started having his spiritual awakening I started seeing the evil in the world as well. This was helped along with a ketamine addiction. I started seeing images of satan and that if I continued to use this substance I would be slowly giving my soul of to Satan.

I am currently going through detox in get myself away from that substance. I do not view fire dancing and performing as evil; Mose saw God within a bush. I would like to start attending a court once I am done with my detox that is accepting of my fire performing and I am looking for recommends from the more senior members of this forum to help point me in the correct directions.

I have performed at several burner events in the last and I do not view these events as evil although some of the principles are radical inclusion meaning not shunning those of different persuasions.

Please help me with any recommendations or advice.
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02-13-2020 09:01 AM
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RE: Fire dancing/performance and God.
Take up hiking instead.
02-13-2020 09:17 AM
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RE: Fire dancing/performance and God.
I don’t see the fire performance as evil; it requirements positive straights like dedication, persistence, repetition in order to become good. Similar to martial arts but instead performance arts. It’s not inherently good or evil. I see the drugs that I was doing like ketamine to be evil. But one doesn’t have to involve the other. I am looming for churches that are welcoming of that kind of art, but a replacement like hiking. I’m fact I already hike to be able to perform in interesting spots.
02-13-2020 09:24 AM
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RE: Fire dancing/performance and God.
One of the funniest news stories I ever read was about a Tony Robbins motivational seminar where the attendees were so amped up they were led to walk on burning coals.

Turns out they got burned. Who'd have thought? The good news: Local podiatrists probably made a lot of money.

I'll save the fire dancing for the day I'm made of teflon.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/24/us/tony-r...index.html
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02-13-2020 11:34 AM
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RE: Fire dancing/performance and God.
What I’m speaking of has zero to do with walking barefoot on hot coals; of course you will get burned. That’s simple common sense.

Like I said I’ve been doing this for around a year and a half and haven’t been burnt once. I didn’t just start out with my prop on fire. I put in countless hours of practice before I felt confident to take it to the next level of performing when my prop is on fire.

Here is a link to similar dancing as to what I do as to clear up confusion.

https://youtu.be/TRnxCb01gmg

Bear in mind this form of performance goes back thousands of years and developed independently in disparate cultures.

My reason for the thread is I’m looking for guidance church where I’d be welcomed and be able to share my talent and skill who those interested.
02-13-2020 11:50 AM
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RE: Fire dancing/performance and God.
Dont really get what you're asking here.

You have a somewhat cringeworthy hobby (purely my subjective opinon), that will surround you with foul smelling twats and degenerates.

Wtf kind of thinking is it where this stuff will be 'welcomed' into a church? You want to insert your own 'talent and skill' and effectively peacock this crap to the congregation?

I for one enjoy casual racism and boxing. They're hobbies. Do i try and crowbarr them into the local church? No.

You seem all over the place mate, sorry.
02-13-2020 12:10 PM
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Listen,
I’m not trying to shoehorn or crowbar my way into myself and my hobby into a church. It’s been a long time since I’ve been involved in organized religion.

As far as you consider it a cringeworthy hobby that is your opinion, I’m not privy to your hobbies so I may very well consider them cringeworthy or not my cup tea.

Unless you are a member of the community I would say it’s a bit unfair to label members foul smelling twats and degenerates. I’m a member of diverse different community’s of people and in my experience their good and bad apples amongst each.

This is a performance that I’m normally paid to perform. Whether I’m asked to perform or not (not looking for any compensation, not the reason involved) I grew up Roman Catholic and have been baptized and performed communion but over years I’ve been disillusioned.

So I’m simply looking for recommend as to congregates that I should research and my make own critically informed decisions.
02-13-2020 12:41 PM
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Sounds to me like you are shopping around for a church where you can 'perform' and grandstand yourself, rather than go and enjoy a service.

It's egotistical and weird.

No one in church wants to see some druggie waving firesticks around.

Just my two cents.
02-13-2020 12:48 PM
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RE: Fire dancing/performance and God.
That’s your opinion and you’re entitled too it it.
I’ve put my life on the line previously to depend your opinion so I don’t begrudge you it.

I’m wondering if anyone besides Elmore has any insights
02-13-2020 01:00 PM
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(02-13-2020 12:48 PM)Elmore Wrote:  Sounds to me like you are shopping around for a church where you can 'perform' and grandstand yourself, rather than go and enjoy a service.

It's egotistical and weird.

No one in church wants to see some druggie waving firesticks around.

Just my two cents.

Agree, nothing masculine about it. Conjures up images of burning man kids that have no idea what to do with their life

Sorry Vinnie, the whole thing sounds pretty gay

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02-13-2020 01:03 PM
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You'll have to ask a couple of priests if your hobby is demonic or not.

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02-13-2020 01:31 PM
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(02-13-2020 01:00 PM)VinnieVincenzo Wrote:  I’ve put my life on the line previously to depend your opinion so I don’t begrudge you it.

Sorry i have no idea what you mean here.
02-13-2020 02:11 PM
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RE: Fire dancing/performance and God.
You may be using a contact fire staff, but you aren't making any contact with the fire, right?

Essentially you are dancing around with a stick.

I would say just do it with other people who like that sort of thing and leave the people who don't alone.

There is nothing more annoying than sitting down in a park with friends and having frisbees, hackysacks, dropped juggling balls or a didgeridoo ending up right in the middle of your conversation when there is, in fact, plenty of room in the park for these people and they don't have to impose their weird hobby on other people.

Activities like these started in the 70's as an antidote to the competitiveness of traditional patriarchal games only to end up extremely annoying because the people doing them had to get attention from people who wanted nothing to do with them.

If you find that the only way to enjoy this activity is to force people who aren't interested to watch it, then you have a problem. And you are still being competitive in a passive aggressive way.

Otherwise, you're probably fine.

If you really feel the need to be watched by strangers, then you aren't engaging in a spiritual practice, you are just a street busker who is somewhat chickenshit.

In that case, go to where the other street performers are and compete directly and see how much money ends up in your hat.

(And don't make compromises with yourself like performing for your pets. This tests their patience and doesn't really count because you feed them.)

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02-13-2020 02:37 PM
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I saw a stripper that did firedancing back in my heathen days. She was pretty talented and would even set her boobs and genitals on fire....she said it saved on waxing.

I do not think the firedancing would be the issue but more the people that you hang out with that are attracted to that subculture. Are they accepting of Christ or are they generally anti-christian atheists into pagan celebrations and bondage? Are the women pseudo strippers that use it as an excuse to wear skimpy costumes and attract attention?

If you are going to have to hide that you are a Christian to continue being an active fire dancer, then you are going to have a rough road. Its got to be Christ first, other stuff second.

Why do the heathen rage and the people imagine a vain thing? Psalm 2:1 KJV
02-13-2020 03:07 PM
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Thank you Roosh; exactly the advice I was looking for.
02-13-2020 05:51 PM
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Fire dancing sounds like it requires some skill. As long as you don't start worshiping Helios or Prometheus I think you will be alright, but still check to see if there is any esoteric methods in the training of the dancers. There is something about losing ones inhibitions to dance that I find completely un-Abrahamic, but maybe its because most dances are not of any kind of respect to the universe or God, but instead are accentuating earthly vices. Cultural dancing and rituals are a flip of the coin, some are traditional and respect God, others are pagan and have origins in offerings/sacrifice. All psychedelics are gateways to the demonic, at least from my amateur perspective they are. I've always abstained from that crap.

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02-14-2020 05:26 AM
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