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RE: Don't Become a Scientist
PhD's in math can make enormous amounts of money in the right jobs.

Natural sciences not so much. Seems interesting, I entertained going down the physics path, but I hated the idea of being in academia forever.

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11-28-2011 12:53 PM
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(11-28-2011 12:53 PM)Prowl Wrote:  PhD's in math can make enormous amounts of money in the right jobs.

Natural sciences not so much. Seems interesting, I entertained going down the physics path, but I hated the idea of being in academia forever.

I don't think I'd like to be locked in a room doing long division all day. Dodgy

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11-28-2011 10:45 PM
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I used to be in programming, but was never really good-- and the job really requires you to NOT talk to anyone all day unless you're doing a lot of analysis.

I went into mental health care-- the dumbest person is smarter than the biggest computer-- so it's been more interesting and also as a previous poster said immune to the offshoring for the most part. Virtually no one ( who'e not Indian) wants to get psychotherapy from an Indian person over teleconferencing. The culture differences are both huge and subtle. Maybe they would recommend an arranged marriage to help the person?

At the lower end in health care you can get some really high return on investment with ancillary jobs. The pharmacy tech whom I was hitting on at the drugstore told me she's going to school for X-ray technician, which also subsumes ultrasound, and about a 6 month course can get them up to 100k!!

The granddaddy is still medical school however. A psychiatrist I know does drug education for pharma at lunchtime in hospitals, the doctors are always too busy to stay the whole hour so he makes about $1000 for about 5=10 minutes.

No matter how much everyone bitches, the medical doctors still clean up-- look at the stats. Numbers don't lie.

There is a downside though-- as someone who is trained in health care I can tell you it took away a lot of the happy-go-lucky part of my personality. It's sobering knowing how much everyone is suffering, and you might really rather not know.
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11-28-2011 11:31 PM
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(11-27-2011 03:27 PM)kimleebj Wrote:  
(11-27-2011 01:29 PM)Samseau Wrote:  The university research system of publishing work in reference to other papers is the reason why the university system today has produced so little of value.

Our universities do not promote creativity or innovation. They only reward the status quo and only stagnation results.

The PhD is a joke because the people who employ PhD's are jokes. The next major scientific/philosophic breakthroughs to come forward will not be from the university, but from people's private homes or businesses.

This displays little perspective. One generation ago, finance professionals thought stock returns were predictable based on patterns or ratios. Academics developed the efficient market theory, portfolio theory, and option theory. Now we have index funds, risk management, and a rich derivatives market supported by this academic work.

Oh boy, talk about refuting yourself.

The same index funds and hudge funds that are going belly up left and right?

lol

Google "MF Global". Run by an academic too. Those predictible returns aren't there anymore for 1.2 billion of other people's money.

Quote:The internet came from academic research. Of course some important developments occurred outside academia. The transistor and public key cryptography come to mind. Also, the muppets. But I'm not sure those examples help your argument.

I never said the academic world cannot produce things of value, all I said is that future ideas of value will not come from academic institutions. Their time has past, academic institutions are too corrupt today.

Intellectual history moves between academia and intellectual-laymen.

For example, the best early philosophers were non-academics until Plato, who then founded "The Academy", and afterwards all great thinkers came from Academia.

But, eventually the schools lost prestiege and people moved away from them, with new Christian thinkers coming forth to dominate the intellectual landscape.

And after some time Christian universities of the Middle ages became dogmatic cesspools that produced nothing of value...

Then came along Descartes, and all the other Enlightenment thinkers, who were almost all non-academics, who redifined the world of knowledge.

But as the Enlightenment thinkers faded with Kant, a new generation of brilliant academics in Germany once again took the forefront of intellectual history.

Today, the trend is moving back away from academics and the world's real intellectuals will be found elsewhere, just like they were in the Enlightenment. The intellectuals will find each other through the internet, and new ideas to change the world will usher forth across the digital age.

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11-29-2011 12:42 AM
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You might like the signalling explanation of why we have degrees.

Education as Signalling
11-29-2011 08:23 AM
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(11-29-2011 08:23 AM)kimleebj Wrote:  
(11-29-2011 12:42 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

You might like the signalling explanation of why we have degrees.

Education as Signalling

Yeah this is so obvious...

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11-29-2011 08:56 AM
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Since IQ tests are not allowed for employment purposes, education serves as a credentialing mechanism. Steve Sailer has written about this fairly extensively. This is why Ivy League degrees are useful: you can make that brutal 60 second resume scan cut off that people who actually do the hiring perform.
11-29-2011 09:07 AM
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Im actually in my first year of college (im 20) and studying biosciences.next year i can go into biochemistry and/or physiology of some sort. i really am interested but i dont like the idea of working in a lab the rest of my days (i enjoy it a lot but im not 100%). But im also interested in physchology/neurophyscology too (my mother has a phd in psychology).I have done modules in microbiolgy too (sup roosh)

are you saying that going down the science route would be a waste of time? the reason i wana stick with it as it works well with my passion - Bodybuilding,im competing next year,and the science of it really interests me.

whats your opinions?
11-29-2011 03:58 PM
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If a chick told me she had a phd in lasers while wearing lab coat with short skirt, hair in a bun and glasses.......I would immediately ejaculate, have a seizure, and then propose.

You guys need to stop worrying about career fields and drop some data on how to fuck bishes in lab coats/skirts. I love brainy bishes. Even if I have no fucking clue what they are talking about it's still sexy.

***I do have a formal background in lasers/optics/thermal imaging. Smile I ain't as dumb as you guys think!
11-30-2011 11:53 AM
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(11-30-2011 11:53 AM)Aliblahba Wrote:  If a chick told me she had a phd in lasers while wearing lab coat with short skirt, hair in a bun and glasses.......I would immediately ejaculate, have a seizure, and then propose.

You guys need to stop worrying about career fields and drop some data on how to fuck bishes in lab coats/skirts. I love brainy bishes. Even if I have no fucking clue what they are talking about it's still sexy.

I've banged many intelligent girls. Harvard Doctors, Princeton Philosophers, straight-A students, etc. They really like good dancers.


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