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The "studies" that I read debunking Keto are often seems to be setup to fail. My favorite are the ones that limit the diet time to 2 weeks. Hell, it took me 6 weeks just to get acclimated to the diet. Vegan groups seems to be behind a lot of these studies.

There is (slowly) however, real clinical trials showing what keto people have already known. This for example:



Long-Term Effects of a Novel Continuous Remote Care Intervention Including Nutritional Ketosis for the Management of Type 2 Diabetes: A 2-Year Non-randomized Clinical Trial
Shaminie J. Athinarayanan1, Rebecca N. Adams1, Sarah J. Hallberg1,2, Amy L. McKenzie1, Nasir H. Bhanpuri1, Wayne W. Campbell3, Jeff S. Volek1,4, Stephen D. Phinney1 and James P. McCarter5*

1Virta Health Corp, San Francisco, CA, United States
2Indiana University Health Arnett, Lafayette, IN, United States
3Department of Nutrition Science, Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN, United States
4Department of Human Sciences, The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH, United States
5Department of Genetics, Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, MO, United States


Purpose: Studies on long-term sustainability of low-carbohydrate approaches to treat diabetes are limited. We previously reported the effectiveness of a novel digitally-monitored continuous care intervention (CCI) including nutritional ketosis in improving weight, glycemic outcomes, lipid, and liver marker changes at 1 year. Here, we assess the effects of the CCI at 2 years.

Materials and methods: An open label, non-randomized, controlled study with 262 and 87 participants with T2D were enrolled in the CCI and usual care (UC) groups, respectively. Primary outcomes were retention, glycemic control, and weight changes at 2 years. Secondary outcomes included changes in body composition, liver, cardiovascular, kidney, thyroid and inflammatory markers, diabetes medication use and disease status.

Results: Reductions from baseline to 2 years in the CCI group resulting from intent-to-treat analyses included: HbA1c, fasting glucose, fasting insulin, weight, systolic blood pressure, diastolic blood pressure, triglycerides, and liver alanine transaminase, and HDL-C increased. Spine bone mineral density in the CCI group was unchanged. Use of any glycemic control medication (excluding metformin) among CCI participants declined (from 55.7 to 26.8%) including insulin (-62%) and sulfonylureas (-100%). The UC group had no changes in these parameters (except uric acid and anion gap) or diabetes medication use. There was also resolution of diabetes (reversal, 53.5%; remission, 17.6%) in the CCI group but not in UC. All the reported improvements had p < 0.00012.

Conclusion: The CCI group sustained long-term beneficial effects on multiple clinical markers of diabetes and cardiometabolic health at 2 years while utilizing less medication. The intervention was also effective in the resolution of diabetes and visceral obesity with no adverse effect on bone health.

Clinical Trial Registration: Clinicaltrials.gov NCT02519309

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10....00348/full



One of my wife's friends is a medical doctor and medical researcher. His research done in the USA into the dietary effects of fish oil to eggs eventually led him to Keto. When he returned to his home country, he went back into medical practice, specializing in the treatment of obesity / diabetics (big issues there due in part to the high consumption of white rice). His treatment uses the Ketogenic diet albeit not a strict as the hardcore ketoers who limit carb intake to 20 grams net daily or less.

His success at reversing diabetes and reducing weight had made him famous.
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RE: Keto diet experiences?
On the subject of "not all calories are the same": There are a number of people who have done experiments over massively over-eating on a high fat / low carb diet (5k+ kcal /day). None of these are what you would call a 'clinical trial', but they are interesting none the least.

This is one of the better documented ones:

What happens if you “overeat” on an LCHF diet? It’s a common question and here’s one possible answer.

The young man Sam Feltham has done a three-week experiment, where he’s been eating enormous amounts of LCHF-food. On average 5794 calories daily of which “only” 10% as carbohydrates (menu).

According to over-simplified calorie counting, energy expenditure isn’t affected by what you eat. All excess calories you eat will then lead to weight gain. If this were true Feltham would have gained 16.5 lbs (7.5 kg) during the three weeks, but in reality he only gained 3.5 lbs (1.7 kg).


https://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-...-lchf-diet

An unintended animal test involving pigs has similar results. During WWII, the US supply of coconut oil got cut off, compliments of the Imperial Japanese occupation of the Philippines (still a US colony at the time). The US switch over to using seed and vegetable oils as a result. After the war, the US government tried to help the nascent independent Philippines economically by importing coconut oil, but this time feeding it to pigs. Since it was a calorie dense food, the pigs should get fatter quicker.

To the pig farmers horror, the pigs lost weight, no matter how much coconut oil was fed to them.
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(07-13-2019 07:00 AM)ChefAllDay Wrote:  That said, I am now down 46lbs (9 inched off the waist), and I am stronger with more energy than I had at 30 (48 now). Still at 22% bodyfat (down from around 33) so I have another 6 or 7% to go.

Not sure how it happened if Keto is BS that doesn't work.

I am about your age (49). Down 47 lbs so far... 10 more to go to hit my goal of 15% body fat (going to re-check by having a DEXA scan).

Added bonus: My chronic migraines that I have had since age 14 are gone.
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That's what I'm talking about. Losing weight is more than eating less calories. It's about choosing the foods you eat wisely.
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(07-16-2019 11:52 AM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  The "studies" that I read debunking Keto are often seems to be setup to fail. My favorite are the ones that limit the diet time to 2 weeks. Hell, it took me 6 weeks just to get acclimated to the diet. Vegan groups seems to be behind a lot of these studies.

There is (slowly) however, real clinical trials showing what keto people have already known. This for example:



Long-Term Effects of a Novel Continuous Remote Care Intervention Including Nutritional Ketosis for the Management of Type 2 Diabetes: A 2-Year Non-randomized Clinical Trial
Shaminie J. Athinarayanan1, Rebecca N. Adams1, Sarah J. Hallberg1,2, Amy L. McKenzie1, Nasir H. Bhanpuri1, Wayne W. Campbell3, Jeff S. Volek1,4, Stephen D. Phinney1 and James P. McCarter5*

1Virta Health Corp, San Francisco, CA, United States
2Indiana University Health Arnett, Lafayette, IN, United States
3Department of Nutrition Science, Purdue University, West Lafayette, IN, United States
4Department of Human Sciences, The Ohio State University, Columbus, OH, United States
5Department of Genetics, Washington University School of Medicine, St. Louis, MO, United States


Purpose: Studies on long-term sustainability of low-carbohydrate approaches to treat diabetes are limited. We previously reported the effectiveness of a novel digitally-monitored continuous care intervention (CCI) including nutritional ketosis in improving weight, glycemic outcomes, lipid, and liver marker changes at 1 year. Here, we assess the effects of the CCI at 2 years.

Materials and methods: An open label, non-randomized, controlled study with 262 and 87 participants with T2D were enrolled in the CCI and usual care (UC) groups, respectively. Primary outcomes were retention, glycemic control, and weight changes at 2 years. Secondary outcomes included changes in body composition, liver, cardiovascular, kidney, thyroid and inflammatory markers, diabetes medication use and disease status.

Results: Reductions from baseline to 2 years in the CCI group resulting from intent-to-treat analyses included: HbA1c, fasting glucose, fasting insulin, weight, systolic blood pressure, diastolic blood pressure, triglycerides, and liver alanine transaminase, and HDL-C increased. Spine bone mineral density in the CCI group was unchanged. Use of any glycemic control medication (excluding metformin) among CCI participants declined (from 55.7 to 26.8%) including insulin (-62%) and sulfonylureas (-100%). The UC group had no changes in these parameters (except uric acid and anion gap) or diabetes medication use. There was also resolution of diabetes (reversal, 53.5%; remission, 17.6%) in the CCI group but not in UC. All the reported improvements had p < 0.00012.

Conclusion: The CCI group sustained long-term beneficial effects on multiple clinical markers of diabetes and cardiometabolic health at 2 years while utilizing less medication. The intervention was also effective in the resolution of diabetes and visceral obesity with no adverse effect on bone health.

Clinical Trial Registration: Clinicaltrials.gov NCT02519309

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10....00348/full



One of my wife's friends is a medical doctor and medical researcher. His research done in the USA into the dietary effects of fish oil to eggs eventually led him to Keto. When he returned to his home country, he went back into medical practice, specializing in the treatment of obesity / diabetics (big issues there due in part to the high consumption of white rice). His treatment uses the Ketogenic diet albeit not a strict as the hardcore ketoers who limit carb intake to 20 grams net daily or less.

His success at reversing diabetes and reducing weight had made him famous.

lol time limit of 2 weeks... who ever posted a study of being 2 weeks?

(07-16-2019 12:02 PM)Hell_Is_Like_Newark Wrote:  On the subject of "not all calories are the same": There are a number of people who have done experiments over massively over-eating on a high fat / low carb diet (5k+ kcal /day). None of these are what you would call a 'clinical trial', but they are interesting none the least.

This is one of the better documented ones:

What happens if you “overeat” on an LCHF diet? It’s a common question and here’s one possible answer.

The young man Sam Feltham has done a three-week experiment, where he’s been eating enormous amounts of LCHF-food. On average 5794 calories daily of which “only” 10% as carbohydrates (menu).

According to over-simplified calorie counting, energy expenditure isn’t affected by what you eat. All excess calories you eat will then lead to weight gain. If this were true Feltham would have gained 16.5 lbs (7.5 kg) during the three weeks, but in reality he only gained 3.5 lbs (1.7 kg).


https://www.dietdoctor.com/what-happens-...-lchf-diet

An unintended animal test involving pigs has similar results. During WWII, the US supply of coconut oil got cut off, compliments of the Imperial Japanese occupation of the Philippines (still a US colony at the time). The US switch over to using seed and vegetable oils as a result. After the war, the US government tried to help the nascent independent Philippines economically by importing coconut oil, but this time feeding it to pigs. Since it was a calorie dense food, the pigs should get fatter quicker.

To the pig farmers horror, the pigs lost weight, no matter how much coconut oil was fed to them.

i dont see any test results of bodyfats. those links dont show anything ? the article shows that if you overeat by 1500 calories you would gain 15 pounds of fat. but it shows he only gained 3 pounds ? Clearly he wasnt eating what he said he was eating... try to over eat on low carbs and watch yourself get fat.... to debunk the article yourself.

Carbs hold water.

I can gain 15-20 pounds of water by having a high carb meal if i am depleted. And i will piss it out within 10 days. its just water retention not actual fat gain. same if you are cutting. if you go from bulking to carbless and calorie defict you gain lose 20 pounds in a week. (not real fat loss, just losing water weight since carbs hold water)
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lastly. you mention 2 weeks all the studies show?

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"Comparison of Weight-Loss Diets with Different Compositions of Fat, Protein, and Carbohydrates" Frank M. Sacks, M.D., et al. N Engl J Med 2009; 360:859-873February 26, 2009

Set-up:
Group one: 15f/65c/20f
Group two: 25p/55c/20f
Group three: 15p/45c/40f
Group four: 25p/35c/40f

Out of the 811 people, 645 completed the entire two years, and the results showed, "Reduced-calorie diets result in clinically meaningful weight loss regardless of which macronutrients they emphasize."

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0804748


there is not a single study to support keto being superior.
because none exist.
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(07-16-2019 08:59 PM)TravelingBodybuilder Wrote:  Set-up:
Group one: 15p/65c/20f
Group two: 25p/55c/20f
Group three: 15p/45c/40f
Group four: 25p/35c/40f

None of these numbers are close to the keto standard. Carbs should be below 10%, Fats should be 70 - 80%, and protein should be the rest. That's why I don't take these studies seriously. Besides that, you really can't argue with the results people are getting. Everyone has been sharing how nothing else compares to the results of keto.

At the end of the day, what do people want? They want results and this diet delivers in spades. Most that go keto, normally can't imagine going back, for good reason. Get some skin in the game and try it, instead of relying on studies to tell you what works and what doesn't. Most are funded by people who want you to buy their shit anyways.

But if its studies you want:
Keto Extends Life
Keto Starves Cancer Cells of Glucose
Massive Weight Loss, Great Cholesterol Levels, Low Blood Sugar Levels (Which means you won't die from a heart attack or diabetes).
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There's no major difference between keto and a regular diet in terms of results.

The only difference is in terms of how each diet makes you feel, and how well you adhere to it. I've done both.
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^ Another reason why one should also get used to time restricted eating to maximize gainz (diet gainz) lol.

As I get older, I just don't have the energy to go as much or harder in the gym, I just want to maintain, not hurt joints, and feel good after playing ball or stairs, etc. That means I have to do IF and be smarter/more disciplined than before.

I do this even with drinking a lot in certain sittings, more than I should given how shitty one's sleep is when they drink booze. And how good I feel with proper rest the two days after the hangover. Just so you all don't have a doubt.

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Been on the keto diet for 3 years, I can say without reasonable doubt that it is the best diet out there. This is because for the vast majority of human history, men have been carnivores, and women have been omnivores. Keto works because it's what our bodies have evolved to do.

Having done this for so long, I've accumulated a vast body of knowledge on keto, and have dispelled many myths thrown at me by the carb-obsessed. If anyone would like me to drop a data sheet, I'd be more than happy to.
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Given that Alzheimer’s is becoming the number one killer in the West and that non communicable diseases are rampant, keto seems to have a lot of benefits for people with normal active lifestyles.

I found that I lost a lot of strength in my arms in the gym doing tricep dips when I was on keto. Maybe paleo or the zone diets are better for people who train as both these diets eliminate simple carbs and grains.
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(08-09-2019 11:55 PM)N°6 Wrote:  Given that Alzheimer’s is becoming the number one killer in the West and that non communicable diseases are rampant, keto seems to have a lot of benefits for people with normal active lifestyles.

I found that I lost a lot of strength in my arms in the gym doing tricep dips when I was on keto. Maybe paleo or the zone diets are better for people who train as both these diets eliminate simple carbs and grains.

You might want to take a look into carb cycling. Allows you to have certain lower carb days, and then your heavy carb days on which the heavy lifting happens. Honestly the best of both worlds. As much as we sometime hate carbs... they do play a role in energy for us lifters.
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On keto diet you will need to eat a nice few steaks if you want to gain weight (a few small ones, I would say 5 or 6) every day, and you will hit a limit on your gains even when lifting heavy.

Also, you won't want to nor necessarily need to go to the gym as much on keto. 2 or 3 times a week is enough, with a day or two off between workouts.

4-6 times a week is too much on keto, not enough rest, nor will you have the energy (re:"sugar" from carbs") to do hour long lifts that frequently.

You'll lose the pumped up appearance on your muscles without the carbs, and obviously the easier weight gains as well.

A pound of meat day is perfect for anyone doing keto and not wanting to gain weight - of which Keto is much better for losing weight than gaining.
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I think the key compenent to an efficient keto diet I'm missing out on is workout journal, really need to stop being so lazy https://onplanners.com/planners/best-goa...g-journals
That reassures me somewhat, as this little binge is nothing more than a celebration before months of more keto.
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(08-10-2019 01:53 PM)Jones Wrote:  On keto diet you will need to eat a nice few steaks if you want to gain weight (a few small ones, I would say 5 or 6) every day, and you will hit a limit on your gains even when lifting heavy.

Also, you won't want to nor necessarily need to go to the gym as much on keto. 2 or 3 times a week is enough, with a day or two off between workouts.

4-6 times a week is too much on keto, not enough rest, nor will you have the energy (re:"sugar" from carbs") to do hour long lifts that frequently.

You'll lose the pumped up appearance on your muscles without the carbs, and obviously the easier weight gains as well.

A pound of meat day is perfect for anyone doing keto and not wanting to gain weight - of which Keto is much better for losing weight than gaining.

I find it difficult to stomach the $$$ necessary to maintain a proper keto diet. Otherwise, yeah it's a great diet.
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Look around for cheap ways to get fat: I've tried asking butchers near me, they say they use the fat in their other products - depending on where you live you might be able to ask them for the fat they cut off their meats.

Always look for meat, "on sale", that is anything roughly $15 per kg or less - paying for $25 per kg or more is not worth it for me.

Also, find the one's with the most fat at a reasonable price - not only is it absolute necessary to have a high fat ratio, but will keep away the hunger pains and temptation to eat carbohydrates.

Meat will keep in the fridge for weeks, even months - if you can get it cheaper in bulk, not frozen, that's ideal.

With eggs, look for sales, quality does not vary with size or type - they only become a bit more expensive.

I found them for $2 a dozen and bought 6 dozen for $12. I go through at least 5 or 6 eggs a day, most I had in a day was 12.

For cooking steaks and eggs, Costco has a huge bottle of coconut oil - 2.48 L worth, got it for $15, and have used it nearly every day this year. I'm about halfway through.

Your entire grocery list can become eggs and steak. Anything else like tea, cream, chicken, fish, etc. is purely for variety.

At just over a $8 CAN I can live day to day - one large (very raw) steak and half a dozen eggs + butter/cream in my tea.
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Keto works because carbs lowers thiamine in the body. Your system needs thiamine to function mentally.
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It seems apparant that diets affect people differently. I tired a low-carb diet (don't know if it was keto) and it made no difference. I'm able to eat huge or small quantities and it makes no difference. Recently I've tried a diet of only vegetables, protein powder and vitamins. This is the only diet that's made a difference for me. It could be the protein powder, which I've be sluffing at about 200-300g per day. But it also leaves me feeling lighter. No problems with strength or muscle. Only issue is hunger.
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(08-18-2019 09:21 PM)gework Wrote:  It seems apparant that diets affect people differently. I tired a low-carb diet (don't know if it was keto) and it made no difference. I'm able to eat huge or small quantities and it makes no difference. Recently I've tried a diet of only vegetables, protein powder and vitamins. This is the only diet that's made a difference for me. It could be the protein powder, which I've be sluffing at about 200-300g per day. But it also leaves me feeling lighter. No problems with strength or muscle. Only issue is hunger.

The ratio should be %70-80 high quality fat, %5 carbs or less, and the rest protein (%15-%30). It helps to count and weigh your macros when you're first starting, so you can get the gist of what that looks like. If you were eating too much protein or carbs, you don't get the benefits of keto

And speaking of too much protein, be careful bro. I don't know how your body is handling all that protein, but too much could to poisoning:

The liver and kidneys play key roles in the metabolism of proteins. When excessive amounts are consumed, it can put the body at risk for increased levels of ammonia, urea, and amino acids in the blood. Although very rare, protein poisoning can be fatal because of these increased levels.

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(08-18-2019 08:57 PM)roid Wrote:  Keto works because carbs lowers thiamine in the body. Your system needs thiamine to function mentally.

I mean...
It's really not that simple, but you're technically not wrong.

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(08-08-2019 01:32 PM)JiggyLordJr Wrote:  Been on the keto diet for 3 years, I can say without reasonable doubt that it is the best diet out there. This is because for the vast majority of human history, men have been carnivores, and women have been omnivores. Keto works because it's what our bodies have evolved to do.

Having done this for so long, I've accumulated a vast body of knowledge on keto, and have dispelled many myths thrown at me by the carb-obsessed. If anyone would like me to drop a data sheet, I'd be more than happy to.


My diet consists of 300g carbs, 150g protein and 50g of fat. My body fat is around 7.5% (using a OMRON body fat analyzer).
Source of protein is whey, oat flour for carbs and olive oil for fats. I eat plenty of red meat and fruits.

Do you think I can get to less body fat and increase muscle mass in Keto? I tried for a month and I just lost a lot of weight.

What source of fat do you use? Something that's accessible and cheap. Butter? Drink a bunch of canola oil everyday? It's hard to find a good source of fat since they put sugar in everything.

What your diet consist of?
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(Today 12:26 AM)joost Wrote:  My diet consists of 300g carbs, 150g protein and 50g of fat. My body fat is around 7.5% (using a OMRON body fat analyzer).
Source of protein is whey, oat flour for carbs and olive oil for fats. I eat plenty of red meat and fruits.

Do you think I can get to less body fat and increase muscle mass in Keto? I tried for a month and I just lost a lot of weight.

What source of fat do you use? Something that's accessible and cheap. Butter? Drink a bunch of canola oil everyday? It's hard to find a good source of fat since they put sugar in everything.

What your diet consist of?

For the love of god, don't chug canola oil. Butter and heavy cream are great places to start. Fatty meats and pretty much any animal fat. The only ok plant oils are coconut and olive, but it's best to stick to animal fats. I chugged coconut oil and threw up once, but I did the same thing with heavy cream and felt fine, just full.

If you're doing keto right, you'll start to be lean and muscular without even trying. It's really a joke how easy to stay in shape eating foods that are supposed to be bad for us.

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What do you do to combat constipation? Mine get so bad I have to take a bunch of laxatives and still only manage to go about once a week. This is the major thing keeping me from continuing with the diet.
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RE: Keto diet experiences?
Every meal should have vegetables (or healthy source of fiber such as avocados). Green vegetables are best.

This will improve a huge range of areas, including digestion.
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RE: Keto diet experiences?
(Today 11:00 AM)Pinkman Wrote:  What do you do to combat constipation? Mine get so bad I have to take a bunch of laxatives and still only manage to go about once a week. This is the major thing keeping me from continuing with the diet.

Cut out all cheese, codeine if you take any. Drink coffee. Increase your fat intake and lower your protein intake.

(Today 12:38 PM)LeBeau Wrote:  Every meal should have vegetables (or healthy source of fiber such as avocados). Green vegetables are best.

This will improve a huge range of areas, including digestion.

Vegetables:

"...low in nutrients and cause a growth of harmful bacteria in the intestine, while the fibrous cellulose residues (fibre) scratches the delicate lining and causes mucus and scarring. This reduces nutrition and eventually as you age, this damage will lead to malnutrition even on a good diet."

And,

"In addition, the rough cellulosic fibre (most of the vegetable’s mass/volume) scratches and irritates the delicate intestinal lining as it passes through, and causes first, mucus secretion followed by scarring (callous formation). Both limit the intestine’s ability to absorb nutrients."

(source: Bear's Words of Wisdom p.11 & 199.)
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The reasons why vegans are always farting and getting colon infections.

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