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RE: Iceland: Now featuring 4 hours of daylight!
I've reached an epiphany, I'm reversing my stand on Iceland. Not that it's good for PUA's, but it is for a truly weird experience. All these people I've been complaining about being cold, well, they're not people. They're ice Elves.

Anthropologists never know if Icelanders are putting them on when they say the believe in Elves. Well, the anthropologists don't realize that the interviewees are talking about THEMSELVES.

Seriously, I think you have to get out in the wild spaciness of the place to grasp the mindset of people here and appreciate the place. In four days I just haven't had the energy to try and run around and do it. I'm not on a vacation, I'm totally changing my life and it's really stressful. I'm on a one-way ticket to EE; leaving everything behind. I arrived exhausted.

I'm going to try to get my band to play at the hard rock festival in remote Iceland next summer. Already checking flights.

And the drama continues to build for the Book Display Incident I plan tomorrow; my last day here.
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RE: Iceland: Now featuring 4 hours of daylight!
"It's almost like the Jews" the Modern Viking said about the group solidarity of Icelanders.

Telling detail: I asked "Are American women known for their bitchiness here?"
"Of course," He smiled.


I tried to carry out the Evil Generalissimo Roosh's strategy, but Kaffitar was full of teenagers-- no place to even post up and wave the book around. But I succeeded elsewhere in having a long, deep conversation with one of the Viking Spoilers whom I have been so intimidated by.

I found a less popular side street cafe with comfortable furniture arranged to help easy socializing and sat across from a guy who in the USA I would be kind of nervous would be one of the Aryan Brotherhood members I used to see in prison who scared the hell out of me way more than any black guy.

He was 6'4" or 6'5", one of those hated guys who looks good even with a beard(!); polite and relaxed but with a slightly cold but perceptive expression.
There's a clothes ad I've added a photo of below that looks something like him.

He was surfing on an iPad, and I struck up a conversation with him for over an hour, during which he filled me in a huge amount on what Iceland is about

I asked what was it about Iceland that he liked, why he lived here; and he said "Security." He said "I will never be homeless here." He said a person has to deliberately choose to be poor here, if you "try at all" you will have a job and be protected.
I asked how much someone like the baristas made at the cafe in which we were sitting.
"14- 19 dollars per hour. But we work a lot. We're like Polish people..we don't bitch and whine.. 12 hours a day [ is not extreme]."

As we talked, 5 or 6 7+ chicks came and went. No fatties.

"Does the war of the sexes exist here?"
"Not really. Sex is casual here... a single mother.." he explained there's no stigma. He said although technically the country is Christian, "We are..[ really Christian three days: Baptised, Confirmed and married."
Hypocritical Christian judging and guilt about sex never took hold here, from what he said.

Essentially he described an Iceland that is a pagan, massively but distantly interrelated colony which practiced successful selective breeding by kidnapping all the pretty English and other European girls, and although that sounds like some culture-bragging fairy tale, watching all the 7+'s go by it was hard to disbelieve him.
"We kidhapped all the pretty ones and left the ugly ones [in England] he joked.

The widely varying, but fine examples of different genotypes supported his claim. There are so many [close to] perfect-looking Platinum Blond, bright blue--eyed, fine red-haired, finely featured Anglo_Saxon looking girls-- It really looks exactly like someone picked the best of each gene pool and brought them together here.

They also practiced exclusion. The Generalissimo might be shocked to know it was legal to kill a Turk or a Jew who overstayed until 1980 according to my conversant's impression ( so maybe passionless fucks wasn't doing that bad after all.) not that of course such things happened so recently. During the middle ages the rules were that these ethnic groups were allowed to come during the summer to trade with the Icelanders, but they could not stay over the winter. When asked whether it was a racial purity thing, Viking Guy said he didn't think so , it was more the religious stigma.

He also showed me the Icelanders-only database showing all his relations. What was shocking was that there really was no apparent limit to the number of relations he had, if you took any given person on the street, it nearly was just a question of "how far back" you had to go to find a link. As I scrolled though the hundreds of uniformly good-looking relatives in two columns on his iPad, there was a number in the upper right hand corner of each person's panel showing the # of generations back to their common relatives....the further down the list the higher the number..3..4...9...10.

[The records go] "back to 1100," he explained.

"But has there been immigration since then? "

He shook his head. Apparently there was some, but it was from Scandinavian countries so it was much the same gene pool.

"Why did people come to Iceland? [in the original migrations there 900-1100]"
"They were mostly outlaws.." I got the impression he implied they were running from something.

"Before the war [WWII], we were fishing, herders.. [living primitively] then the Americans came. " He alluded to the day-and-night increase in wealth which happened after Iceland's economy modernized after WW2.

Apparently, Iceland benefitted greatly from the American military presence here, and the start of the industry of Aluminum processing ( due to the cheap electricity here).

We talked more about the differences in public perception of strangers, he imagined how hard it would be to meet people in the USA.

I talked about the Crime Scene Investigator's mentality ( the TV show's paranoia inducing mentality) , and my opinion that the War of The Sexes combined with constant fear-mongering about criminals everywhere tended to make Americans paranoid.

So Icelanders worked hard under severe climactic conditions, starting out as a warlike race ( although Viking Guy was cordial, there was still a bit of a pitiless edge to him, an edge I thought could be surmounted if you had the time to establish a brother bond with him, which I thought that would be difficult. ) and only about 50-60 years ago came into significant wealth, which they have kept pretty widely dispersed.

"You can still go up to the President's house and bang on the door." he said. I was stunned.
"You can go up to the ex-President's house and bang on the door."

"There's no security?"
"No. There's no mansions. There are big houses.." [but nothing ostentatious, ] he implied.

Icelanders are a fierce and united tribe who are too proud to let any of their number be involuntarily be degraded by poverty, nor to let any of their number rise above the rest to a mocking, obscene degree of ostentatioous wealth.

By the time I was done talking to dude, I was wondering how hard, if possible at all, it would be to become even an honorary member.

"Maybe I have relatives here!" I mused out loud as I left.

"They kept really good records in Norway." he encouraged.

I walked back to my apartment less alienated, and saw a little more very, very subtle IOI's.

My imagination, I'm sure. I was happy with my half-Scandinavian heritage, that I could possibly become a welcome guest someday of this modern Klingon tribe. I understand better now, any tribe worth being a member of would have some hurdles to membership.

This is essentially an aging warrior tribe, dressed up in wealth presented with elegant good taste. From the limited amount I now know about them,
I find them quite impressive.
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RE: Iceland: Now featuring 4 hours of daylight!
But..... did you talk about Bang Iceland?

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(12-07-2011 03:44 PM)Roosh Wrote:  But..... did you talk about Bang Iceland?

Apologies Generalissimo, advocating anything short of Simulated Viking Rape game would have met with cruel mockery I wasn't ready for.

Seriously, that's what I started to see their lack of IOI's as.
Sort of like in a Warrior culture, the women don't believe you want them unless you are really blunt and almost brutal. So they cue only the tiniest bit.

This seems to be what you ended up doing in terms of just getting to the point with closing time game.

Just arrived in Germany en route to Ukraine and feel like I'm back in an overcivilized world after being someplace unique and wild.

I actually want to go back there; but I think some of that desire is based on romanticizing my Scandinavian heritage.
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Did you do any approaching?

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Ha, he looks like a huge hipster. Dude, I wonder if you're not easily intimidated?

I've got my own trip planned to Iceland - I'm going to aim for that festival you were talking about. Sounds like a good party.

Another thing I'm worried about is being designated a sex-tourist now that the cat is out of the bag on Iceland. I can get around it easy enough, but the general suspicion towards foreigners is probably going to go up?

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(12-08-2011 12:54 PM)Caligula Wrote:  Did you do any approaching?

I only opened one chick with a situational opener.

I went to the Bonus foodstore which is like a very small supermarket in the USA but is their equivalent of a large grocery store.

I was about 5 minutes late (6:30 closing) and the door was locked. I stood sort of mulling it over.

A 30-something Icelandic chick, with good bone structure but haggard looking, came up to the door right after me, tried it, and uttered some sort of imprecation I assume.

I said in a sympathetic way "Too late..."

She turned around and sort of glared at me and said nothing.

But in my defense about not opening chicks, I was really wasted when I got there. An 8 hour redeye left me feeling pretty exhausted and depressed for a couple days. I get jet lag really bad and had come all the way from Sunny California.

By the last (4th) day I was starting to pick up their really subtle IOI's (I'm over 50 so target market is somewhat limited) even from 20-something 6's-- slightly better than I do in US. But I knew I wasn't staying and as I said I'm an LTR guy and didn't want to bother.

I definitely am kind of fascinated with the place, I think if you had the nerve to move there and got into the vibe and I leveraged my Scandinavian heritage (maybe even change my name to my ancestral Scandinavian name.) I could do all right
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(12-08-2011 12:58 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  Ha, he looks like a huge hipster. Dude, I wonder if you're not easily intimidated?

I've got my own trip planned to Iceland - I'm going to aim for that festival you were talking about. Sounds like a good party.

Another thing I'm worried about is being designated a sex-tourist now that the cat is out of the bag on Iceland. I can get around it easy enough, but the general suspicion towards foreigners is probably going to go up?

1) I am DEFINITELY easily intimidated. Probably the main reason I've worked on learning game. I've learned over the years to face my limitations. I'm really smart, highly artistic and musical, but the bad side of that double edged sword is intense dislike of conflict.

But as far as my assessment of Iceland guys as kind of cold and circumspect, like slightly mistrustful military guys, I stand by that. It's not like they're considering violence against you, more like they don't take you seriously as a person until you proved yourself.

As I mentioned, I worked in prison with all the most intimidating mofos you could imagine; so my judgments are based on real experience.

The worst, scariest, coldest and most cynical of all were the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang members. They are very violent ( and proud of it) white supremacist creeps. Just writing down the name makes me feel some fear.

Now I don't want to exaggerate, I'm not saying Icelandic guys, or the one I had the serious conversation with, are hateful and violence prone or evil. I just brought up the comparison because I got the feeling you'd have to win their trust, and they were slightly contemptuous. It's like those gang guys are the degenerate strain of real Viking types.
Icelanders are a warlike adventurous race and it's reasonable to assume it would show.

2) As far as being sex-tourist tagged, I saw some guys there that looked like it, but the 8+ chicks seem just SO hard I can't see it competing with EE/FSU at ALL; which will keep the tourist numbers limited.

Out of 6 guys who looked like American brothers to me two were with Icelandic chicks that it looked like they were fucking. That doesn't seem like too bad odds since those 4 lost guys probably were just tourists who had heard the chicks were hot and were kind of on a dream mission.

In general, Most guys with any game can get 6's in the USA/England so why bother with Iceland?
I'm into it because it's a sort of a throwback to a relatively pagan European culture that doesn't exist anymore.

One thing I noticed after I was talking to Viking Alpha was the Barista ~6 chick was way more open and openly IOI'ing me. There is something seriously Middle-Ages about that place, like if you're in with the "warrior class" the chicks will now approve of you.

The whole time I was there, I don't think I got eye contact from one 8+.

3) Dude, if you're going to that Metal/Rock fest, we should team up if I can get my wimpy metrosexual band members to go ( Actually they're all right, they're from the Midwest.) The festival is at the extreme other end of the island from Reykjavik.It's ben getting bigger and bigger and last year there were about 1500 people there, this year who knows? I think you'd be accepted as a bro at that place if you go to the length of going that deep into Iceland and its culture. Like you say, it will probably be a wild fucking party. Renting a car is like $150-200 per day for a good one, but once you're at the site I think you can camp which really cuts your costs. I just priced a ticket from San Francisco to Reykhavik on Iceland Air for next July and it's only about $700 round trip.

That fest sounds really fun, but you do know metal attracts more guys than chicks. It's not like a John Mayer concert, haha.
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(12-08-2011 12:58 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  Ha, he looks like a huge hipster. Dude, I wonder if you're not easily intimidated?

I've got my own trip planned to Iceland - I'm going to aim for that festival you were talking about. Sounds like a good party.

Another thing I'm worried about is being designated a sex-tourist now that the cat is out of the bag on Iceland. I can get around it easy enough, but the general suspicion towards foreigners is probably going to go up?

They won't care or even know what a sex tourist is, that is the last of your worries. Just tell them you are on a stop-over to Europe.
I caught the end of the Iceland Airwaves festival and the talent on the street was amazing, highly recommend the time of year as a great time to go.

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