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(09-11-2019 07:48 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  
(09-11-2019 07:41 AM)Manbeline Wrote:  Once again, regulations and laws do not and will not work in an economic sense. The free market is not like putting up a law to stop people from stealing or killing. It's easy to know why the crime of stealing happens. Someone is taking something from someone else. And killing someone is simply making them no longer alive. When you put regulations on economics, for instance, barring companies from having x amount of stores up in an entire region, you instantly destroy all the interconnecting dynamics that comes with why they exist in the first place.

Regulation is exactly why you got current monopolization. I shouldn't have to tell you to look at the utility industry in our country like water and electricity to see its damning results. And we almost had internet regulated industry. Thank God that did not happen. Your bills would have went up and your internet quality way down. Politicians know nothing about the economies or markets they try to regulate, and it's still one of the greatest sins in the west.

You did hit on the point of "ethical high tech," but something you forgot is that before the Industrial Revolution, we were already heading up in life quality in ethical high tech. The government and the banks were the sole reason everything went to shit to begin with, which is exactly what they wanted: productivity on *their* terms, not the people's. The greatest lie, something Milton Friedman coasted constantly, was that nothing in life was improving without the aid of the government. On the contrary, all our woes are because of them today. Every single thing you can think off, the government's regulations caused it.

Nah - regulation is the same as with other actions. There is sane regulation and then there is bad one. Libertarianism was financed by the biggest usury psychopath families. Currently the regulation is favoring the globalist corporations and this is where the misunderstanding comes. You absolutely cannot do everything and anything - that is insane and never worked in real life. True unfettered libertarianism would be pure hell.
I never mentioned libertarianism. Usury was a product of using schemes to steal money without working for it. As far as I'm concerned, that is an evil practice in itself, and should have been wiped out had our nation had not lost its soul.

You're coming from an angle where you're fine with regulation as long as it is being used in your favor instead of these corporations. That's a very bad pov to come from. It's like waiting for your turn to be dictator. "Once the game is on my terms, I will be the victor." Other than the sheer reactiveness of it instead of proactiveness, you're excusing the gun to your head because eventually you may have the gun to someone else's head now. I know you're trying to come from an ethical angle, but right now you're not looking any more moral than the people you're trying to criticize.

It's funny that in the pursuit of masculinity and making our own way, there is still this element of wanting a mother government to do everything for us, which just promotes the socialism that feeds off femininity now. There is no socialism that is masculine, by the way.
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(09-11-2019 07:45 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  Biological augmentations might come in the future, getting special muscle implants etc. - won't matter.
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Getting chipped is a no-go and is clearly Orwellian.

Why won't it matter? I asked Ober in another thread: once science and technology (which according to you is completely morally neutral) can engineer white babies out of black parents will you be ok with that? And if not, why not?

As for chips, why is that a no-go and clearly Orwellian but augmentations are not? I thought technology was neutral, and therefore could be used for good as for evil? Is this the one piece of technology that is inherently evil?

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I think the issue is that chips might theoretically offer useful augmentations, but given the nature of the world today, you could never trust that the chip would be free of any external mind control capabilities. The unacceptable risk of mind control is the Orwellian part. In comparison, augmentations to other parts of the body are much less risky for that sort of thing.

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^^^

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The grim reality is that 90% of the Western population is functionally mind controlled anyway. No chip required.

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(09-11-2019 10:22 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  ^^^

I'm not hesitant about hitting the Report button. Off you fuck, cuckold.

It's just the same spam bot as usual. Report them, but replying is pretty pointless.
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(09-11-2019 10:31 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  The grim reality is that 90% of the Western population is functionally mind controlled anyway. No chip required.

Indeed, but it's not for those they're making the chips. It's for us.

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(09-11-2019 03:12 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  The internet follows the same pattern that cars and roads did before it: the promise was you would have ways of travelling further, reducing distances. The reality is distances are increased, because the world adapts to the car and soon enough you have to drive everywhere, small shops disappear and all roads lead to giant malls and superstores.

It all comes down to taxation in the end. (In my opinion) Only in a low tax society can you have real diversity. It does have it`s downsides, but I`m convinced that in a European ethno-state at least, low tax and small Government (say 15 percent income and corporate tax, and no other taxes) would be paradise compared to what we have today.

You can only give tax breakes to corporate giants, if you have high tax in the first place. The whole thing becomes hopelessly corrupted in this system, and smaller entities simply can`t compete.

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We have a problem folks! Fireman Sam in not a tranny, nor is he a Somali female. Can`t have a white British fireman in todays world. Oh, beg you pardon, did I say fireman. Of course I meant firefighter. Guess that proves what a horribly biased sexist I am Dodgy

https://thelincolnite.co.uk/2019/09/linc...complaint/

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On why vegans fall apart - Shawn Baker is 50 and a carnivore MD:





McDougall to the left - he looks like that psycho ghost from Poltergeist:

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He just broke a couple bones from a minor fall and has a calcified heart blaming it on meat eating in his youth. The funny part is when the founding member of the vegan-movement died in his early 60s of a heart attack. The reality is that veganism increases the likelihood of a deadly heart attack.

Hilarious overall scam.....
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^^^ Atkins from the Atkins diet is dead too. He had all kinds of heart attacks but his wife wouldn't let them do an autopsy. She says its because he was a Jew. I say its because the Atkins diet will kill you.

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< The Atkins diet is a far far way off from what the long-term carnivores eat. Some meats simply work badly for humans. Others do and there are tribes out there who lived exclusively on certain meats (cows/horses/bisons) or fish and seal (eskimos) while being super-healthy. Atkins-diet was a bit of an artificial creation and not comparable to a mostly beef carnivore diet that the current carnivores propose. American Indians actually prove the point that you can easily survive eating overwhelmingly beef. But this won't work with pork and chicken.
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Our ancestors only ate free range grass fed meat and wild seafood along with lots of foraged greens and nuts.
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(09-12-2019 05:18 AM)Kona Wrote:  ^^^ Atkins from the Atkins diet is dead too. He had all kinds of heart attacks but his wife wouldn't let them do an autopsy. She says its because he was a Jew. I say its because the Atkins diet will kill you.

Aloha!

-Any diet will kill you, unless you actually cure aging. (A different topic, but definitely diet related.)

-Atkins diet from a traumatic incident and it`s complications.

-He supposedly had a history of hypertension, and CVD related problems. But did that lead him to the high fat "Atkins" diet, or was it a consequence of it? Or was it true at all? He had many enemies after all.

-You should not conflate an individual with the science that they promote. It`s up to the data to decide.

-You can still be insulin resistant, prediabetic/diabetic and obese on a high protein and fat "Paleo diet," if you overeat. But the likelihood of doing so is much less than on a high carb industrial or agricultural modern diet. This is due the the effect of especially sugar (fructose, glucose, lactose) on hormones and ligands. Also, fat and protein is more satiating. And a Paleo-Atkins type diet will also be very nutrient dense, possibly having and effect on appetite also.

-When did Robert Atkins start his diet regime? Did he have a poor diet prior to that moment, with possibly accumulated damage? (most likely) Did he stick with diet himself? Did he cheat with things like alcohol, coffee, cigars, occasional pastries etc. Hard to tell.

-Bottom line, look at the data! Or at least accumulated anecdote, not just one person. And question everything all the time.



   
Robb wolf at 46. Seems to be doing pretty well on Paleo.

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I've noticed hit pieces on Liberty University starting to pop up.

Anyone got an idea what's driving this?
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(09-12-2019 10:21 AM)911 Wrote:  Our ancestors only ate free range grass fed meat and wild seafood along with lots of foraged greens and nuts.
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I think regularity (or rather, irregularity) is very important. Our ancestors did not only eat natural things, the way in which they ate was also natural.

What and when they ate was dictated by the seasons. When they ate meat, they ate lots of it, but not every day or even every week - and certainly not all kinds of meat in the same time period. You would slaughter a pig at the beginning of winter, and then eat it for a while, along with some sausages and maybe salt some - but by Spring it would be gone and you would instead eat chicken or rabbits. Some vegetables they would eat in the winter, others in the summer, along with their availability. Sugar they would eat on the off chance of finding honey. I believe the only item which was constant was bread. You can observe this rotation in pretty much all religious traditions, in certain days you abstain from certain kinds of foods and so on. Following the Orthodox fasting calendar means, for example, you are effectively vegan for two days a week (on normal weeks).

This is completely lacking from modern diets due to the constant availability of all food types. Function follows form. Until we understand this, we will not have a traditional revival on a large scale. People do not impose limits on themselves.

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< I once listened to a talk by a historian.

He went into the experiments Ancient Egypt did with diets. They had different tribes and different functions given to them, so they wrote down which kind of diet produces what results. They did vegetarian diets (current-day equivalents) and even ones that would be called vegan. Supposedly the vegan ones were death diets, the vegetarian diets depended also on a few metrics. Meat-based diets were found to be the most beneficial for a tribe. Usually they specifically restricted meat to slaves unless they were mercenaries - they don't need too many slaves to be as smart, tall, strong and aggressive. According to the sources they even gave different slaves various degrees of vegetarian diets depending on how long they wanted them to live. It was a good population control tool and I guess the current vegan/vegeterian propaganda is just more of the same.
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(09-13-2019 02:42 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 10:21 AM)911 Wrote:  Our ancestors only ate free range grass fed meat and wild seafood along with lots of foraged greens and nuts.
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I think regularity (or rather, irregularity) is very important. Our ancestors did not only eat natural things, the way in which they ate was also natural.

What and when they ate was dictated by the seasons. When they ate meat, they ate lots of it, but not every day or even every week - and certainly not all kinds of meat in the same time period. You would slaughter a pig at the beginning of winter, and then eat it for a while, along with some sausages and maybe salt some - but by Spring it would be gone and you would instead eat chicken or rabbits. Some vegetables they would eat in the winter, others in the summer, along with their availability. Sugar they would eat on the off chance of finding honey. I believe the only item which was constant was bread.

911 is referring to our ancestors before the development of agriculture 10000 years ago, before bread was invented. Humans have only eaten bread for those 10000 years, and even then, hunter gatherers with no bread covered much of the world. In comparison, modern and proto humans evolved for a couple million years eating only the diet he described.

Paleo theorists think our bodies have yet to adapt to an agriculture based diet. Personally, I think there is some truth to this, but human populations adapt significantly over a few dozen generations, so the peoples who have had agriculture for millennia can handle grain based carbs, as long as they are active enough to burn off the carbs, and still get enough protein, fat, and veggie based nutrients.

I think there are some populations whose ancestors only were exposed to agriculture a few 100 years ago, whose bodies handle grain based diets poorly.

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I agree with you - same with dairy, for example. It was my euro-centric mind leading me to generalize.

I don't believe in those numbers though, nor the claim that most human populations didn't know how to farm for millions of years. I do think however that some populations have progressively forgotten how to farm due to abundance (and before someone says that's impossible, all you have to do is look at modern society - replace supermarkets for the plentiful forest and you have the same result).

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(09-12-2019 06:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < The Atkins diet is a far far way off from what the long-term carnivores eat. Some meats simply work badly for humans. Others do and there are tribes out there who lived exclusively on certain meats (cows/horses/bisons) or fish and seal (eskimos) while being super-healthy. Atkins-diet was a bit of an artificial creation and not comparable to a mostly beef carnivore diet that the current carnivores propose. American Indians actually prove the point that you can easily survive eating overwhelmingly beef. But this won't work with pork and chicken.

Yes, but also remember many of these tribes and populations who live exclusively off flesh have a genetic advantage as they have evolved to have various traits unique to them such as much larger livers, bladder, kidneys to help with the internal processing of the heavy flesh diet.

Western Native Indians graised on prarire Bison (Deer as well) to the point they made them almost extinct. Cows are Euro basses and were spread around the globe through Euro exploration. You had longhorn type cattle that could handle warmer climates but these skinny things are not giving you the calorie density as a single Bison in which the fat was a heavy dietary source of nutrition.


(09-12-2019 10:21 AM)911 Wrote:  Our ancestors only ate free range grass fed meat and wild seafood along with lots of foraged greens and nuts.
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It was primarily the animal fat and nutrient rich organ meats they were after. For all the effort and energy expenditure to attain the animal flesh (before ranching) the animal fat returned a substantial calorie surplus over the flesh.
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(09-13-2019 08:40 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  I agree with you - same with dairy, for example. It was my euro-centric mind leading me to generalize.

I don't believe in those numbers though, nor the claim that most human populations didn't know how to farm for millions of years. I do think however that some populations have progressively forgotten how to farm due to abundance (and before someone says that's impossible, all you have to do is look at modern society - replace supermarkets for the plentiful forest and you have the same result).

My theory is that humans knew plants grow from seeds for at least hundreds of thousands of years, but they didn't have organized crops like we do. I think they spread seeds from things they ate in the wild, and gradually wild places had more and more edible items over many generations.

However, at that time, most food plants were not domesticated, and had far lower food values. Also, most populations were still nomadic at that time. Planting seeds from food plants was not productive enough to support a fixed settlement. Also, I don't think they had domesticated any animals at that time.

I think that millennia of replanting the most desirable food plants is what finally led to the domestication of various fruits, grains, and vegetables. I also think living in an environment where humans had selectively replanted increasingly domesticated foods for 1000's of years is the source for the myth of the Garden of Eden. Once food plants reached a high enough level of domestication and increased productivity, agriculture in fixed settlements finally made sense. I'd say it happened earlier than any of the archaeological evidence we have for settlements, but not tremendously so.

When they examine caveman sites, they actually are able to test and identify the pollen from plants and other items present at the sites, and they do not find pollen from agricultural plants going back much over 10000 years.

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Quote:the source for the myth of the Garden of Eden

That's where we diverge, because I do not think the Garden of Eden is a myth, but a real place.

Many Christians try to fit Genesis into materialist theories. I do not and hence I take the majority of these dates or 'discoveries' as BS, probably malicious BS too.

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Quote:the source for the myth of the Garden of Eden

That's where we diverge, because I do not think the Garden of Eden is a myth, but a real place.

Many Christians try to fit Genesis into materialist theories. I do not and hence I take the majority of these dates or 'discoveries' as BS, probably malicious BS too.

How do you reconcile millions of years of agriculture with a literal Garden of Eden, which clearly is a hunter gatherer's paradise?

Just to be clear, I am open to such ideas. I don't believe in evolution as it is taught. I can't see how things like eyes and wings evolved by natural selection, when half formed wings would have been dis-advantageous, and half formed eyes would have given no survival advantage. Also, my understanding is that while various species can be observed to adapt based on natural selection over a short time, there is a limit beyond which a species will not adapt, such that it will never turn into a different species with different DNA. Roosh is a microbiologist, and I believe he has made the same points in the past, even before his conversion.

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I don't have to reconcile anything, because I don't believe there's millions of years of anything.

But in a sense, you are right, Adam and Eve were originally 'hunter gatherers' (although it is extremely misleading to use such terms for this). After the Fall, the early humans were farmers as described in Genesis. Only after the confusion of tongues and separation of peoples at the Tower of Babel did hunter gatherer societies appear (the degeneration mentioned above).

See, I believe the exact opposite of what modern science says: I don't believe we are evolving, or that we have ever evolved, but the opposite, that since that initial spark of the Divine that created us, we degenerate and will continue to do so, and must strive ever more greatly against this.

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(09-13-2019 08:51 AM)kosko Wrote:  
(09-12-2019 06:03 AM)Simeon_Strangelight Wrote:  < The Atkins diet is a far far way off from what the long-term carnivores eat. Some meats simply work badly for humans. Others do and there are tribes out there who lived exclusively on certain meats (cows/horses/bisons) or fish and seal (eskimos) while being super-healthy. Atkins-diet was a bit of an artificial creation and not comparable to a mostly beef carnivore diet that the current carnivores propose. American Indians actually prove the point that you can easily survive eating overwhelmingly beef. But this won't work with pork and chicken.

Yes, but also remember many of these tribes and populations who live exclusively off flesh have a genetic advantage as they have evolved to have various traits unique to them such as much larger livers, bladder, kidneys to help with the internal processing of the heavy flesh diet.

Western Native Indians graised on prarire Bison (Deer as well) to the point they made them almost extinct. Cows are Euro basses and were spread around the globe through Euro exploration. You had longhorn type cattle that could handle warmer climates but these skinny things are not giving you the calorie density as a single Bison in which the fat was a heavy dietary source of nutrition.


(09-12-2019 10:21 AM)911 Wrote:  Our ancestors only ate free range grass fed meat and wild seafood along with lots of foraged greens and nuts.
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It was primarily the animal fat and nutrient rich organ meats they were after. For all the effort and energy expenditure to attain the animal flesh (before ranching) the animal fat returned a substantial calorie surplus over the flesh.

Whites eliminated the bison in order to deliberately destroy the food supply of the Native Americans and that is a big tragedy. There were back then more bisons than there are cows now. Native Americans hunted the horse into extinction and only got it back after Europeans came.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weston_Price

Weston Price went on a world tour trying to prove (because he himself wanted it to be true as a vegetarian) that humans do better on a platn-based diet. What he found is that the reverse was true. The Masai and the Eskimos were the strongest and most healthiest tribes in the world. He found even that the more plant-based the food got, the worse the health was.

Currently we assume that most human tribes before 10.000 BC ate 60% from animal products on average. The European nobility in the Middle ages was two heads taller and stronger than the plant-based peasants. They banned their peasants from hunting and meat was a rarity for most.

All the data we have from carnivores is that you can easily survive on pure beef - some organ meats as well. You cannot do it on chicken, turkey or pork, because the Omega 6 to Omega 3 ratio is just too bad. You could also do it on horse like the Mongols who were also on average stronger than the nations they conquered.

Weston-Price noted quickly the difference of very similar people or sometimes family members who grew up eating more plant-based foods:
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The Weston-Price foundation lays it out pretty well - all human races do better with higher animal-source. Sure - if you are not lactose intolerant then raw milk and raw cream will also provide a lot, but most humans don't do so well with milk. Though there are no meat-intolerant humans. Our intestinal tract is short and our stomach acid is as strong as the ones of dogs - we can eat and digest bones similar to dogs. We are not Gorillas who eat the majority of the day, have huge barrel stomachs and require 20 pounds of food per day.

At best we can argue whether we should be 50% meat-based or 80% meat-based. Atkins diet is frankly lacking relative to what we know. You cannot do it with most meats in bulk and if you add greens with clear anti-nutrients like spinach en masse then you have trouble.

And it's not unsustainable - we could have a shit-ton more cows grazing in the wide open fields - beats subsidizing corn for sweet syrup production.

http://meatheals.com

Anyone who wants to take a look should listen to a few ex-vegan interviews. If you know some vegans who had the same experiences like I do, then you realize that this is likely wanted by the elite now. They want you sicker and they know that they can't do healthy animal farming on big scale. But they can do big wheat, soy and corn fields that might be fully mechanized in the future. Mongolia alone can likely produce enough beef for China and half of India now - just freeze it there and ship it at leisure.



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