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(Yesterday 10:38 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets is bombing.

This is not surprising since it's Luc Besson; The Fifth Element is horribly overrated and insufferably pretentious at some points. At least with that film we were allowed to watch Bruce Willis, then at more-or-less career best, and Milla Jovovich in little-to-no clothes. That in part is because he got Jean-Paul Gaultier to design the costumes.

But then film directors shouldn't be surprised when you get a weaker-looking James McEvoy and a bisexual with Resting Bitchface Syndrome as your lead characters:

[Image: valerian-movie-2017-images-cast-700x352.jpg]


From the trailers to every review I've read.
Seems the reason to see this film is not for story nor character, rather the immense visual spectical.

I also read that it was financed in such a way, that it doesn't need to perform on par with the other big sci-fi franchises.
Something about European film financing & selling the film in advance to distributors via the film festival circle.
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Anyone else a huge fan of rollercoasters? Went to Six Flags today on impulse...it's been about a decade and a half, and it was like I was a kid again. It's just simple fun, and taps into a pretty primal part of you.

(I'm actually surprised that lefties haven't tried to ban coasters yet - they're designed to make you feel scared, and you have to be very svelte to fit on quite a few of them.)
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(Yesterday 10:38 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets is bombing.

This is not surprising since it's Luc Besson; The Fifth Element is horribly overrated and insufferably pretentious at some points. At least with that film we were allowed to watch Bruce Willis, then at more-or-less career best, and Milla Jovovich in little-to-no clothes. That in part is because he got Jean-Paul Gaultier to design the costumes.

But then film directors shouldn't be surprised when you get a weaker-looking James McEvoy and a bisexual with Resting Bitchface Syndrome as your lead characters:

[Image: valerian-movie-2017-images-cast-700x352.jpg]


From the trailers to every review I've read.
Seems the reason to see this film is not for story nor character, rather the immense visual spectical.

I also read that it was financed in such a way, that it doesn't need to perform on par with the other big sci-fi franchises.
Something about European film financing & selling the film in advance to distributors via the film festival circle.

Yeah, yeah. Visual spectacle was one of the big marketing points for The Fifth Element, too. This is a common feature to most French/European films as opposed to US/British film, something Robert McKee noted: European films are far more concerned with exploring an idea on film than they are telling a story. It's also why only Frenchmen watch French films; because they still think they're superior to Americans (notwithstanding the fact America's been subsidising their continued existence for a good 70 years or so and Classic Snobby French Culture is slowly being overwhelming by The Sandstorm).

Hell, Luc Besson himself believes it so firmly it's why he didn't even bother asking Hollywood for money to make the film:

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/valeria...201856149/

Quote:From the start, Besson knew his vision for adapting Pierre Christin’s 1967 comic series “Valérian and Laureline” did not fit Hollywood’s tentpole model, which is why his EuropaCorp raised the $180 million production budget and partnered with STX to bypass studios completely.Besson likes to refer to himself as a “painter trying to do his painting,” which is why he bypassed Hollywood’s money and distribution channels to make the film, unusual for an English-language film on a canvas as big as “Valerian.” Yet for Besson, this isn’t about making an art film, but rather how narrowly American studios define what can be globally commercially viable.
To some degree, that is the story of Besson’s film career. As either producer (the “Taken” series) or director (“The Fifth Element”), he can’t win: He’s viewed as too Hollywood by cinephile-driven French film culture, but his sensibilities don’t fit the mold of the studios.

“I was raised with Lucas, Spielberg, Scorsese, Coppola, but also Tarkovsky, Kurosawa, and Godard,” said Besson. “It’s a reflection of the way I was raised. I enjoy American movies a lot, but I also enjoy different kind of film and I try to reflect that in my films.”

“It is true, there is a limited sense [of what a big commercial film can be], but what’s true here in America, is not true in the rest of the world,” said Besson. “You really have two markets, the US and the rest of the world.”
...

Besson believes that the audience outside the U.S. is naturally more curious and open.

“There’s more common points between Tokyo, Shanghai, Paris and Berlin then L.A.,” said Besson. “Because the orientation of the American cinema, like most of 95 percent of the screens are taken by American films, which is not the case in France or in Europe. We love American film, but not only.”

Valerian is basically the world's most expensive indie film in the sense that it reached theatres without a single Hollywood studio backing it at all. As for how it was financed:

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/07/valeria...201851376/

Quote:Besson also had to use every trick in the independent film financing book, including pre-selling rights to foreign distributors. Fortunately, the filmmaker has strong relationships with distributors who regard him as a visionary, an importantly, one who always delivers his films on time and on budget.

According to Wired, Besson and his producing partner (and wife) Virginie Besson-Silla made a presentation to foreign distributors at Cannes that consisted of the finished screenplay and some 80 sketches of the “Valerian” characters and universe. The pitch raised nearly $80 million in pre-sales in one day. Besson eventually sold the rights to the film in more than 100 territories.

While pitching financiers at Cannes is how countless independent projects get funded every year, you won’t find anyone else offering equity stakes in $180 million sci-fi blockbusters at the Marche du Film. Because “Valerian” was financed like an indie, Besson doesn’t have to worry about losing hundreds of millions of dollars for an individual studio and risking a major career setback. He also didn’t have to deal with a stack of script notes from studio execs, a certainty for any filmmaker shooting a Hollywood movie for upwards of $200 million.

So all due credit to him, he managed to offload the risk onto a bunch of really stupid distributors, but I think they're wrong when they say it won't fuck his career: having burned a large alternate path to funding, neither distributors or major Hollywood studios are exactly going to be beating a path to his door to give him money again.

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That judge is an idiot how does one compensate over half issued money to a person when they have been divorced over six years?? That's fucked up, doesn't even have any common sense.
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(Today 12:16 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  ...So all due credit to him, he managed to offload the risk onto a bunch of really stupid distributors, but I think they're wrong when they say it won't fuck his career: having burned a large alternate path to funding, neither distributors or major Hollywood studios are exactly going to be beating a path to his door to give him money again.


Apparently the sequel & a third are already in the works.
If nothing else. He could always do a Chinese reboot.
Spectacle over story seems to do rather well in China.
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(Yesterday 10:38 PM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets is bombing.

This is not surprising since it's Luc Besson; The Fifth Element is horribly overrated and insufferably pretentious at some points. At least with that film we were allowed to watch Bruce Willis, then at more-or-less career best, and Milla Jovovich in little-to-no clothes. That in part is because he got Jean-Paul Gaultier to design the costumes.

But then film directors shouldn't be surprised when you get a weaker-looking James McEvoy and a bisexual with Resting Bitchface Syndrome as your lead characters:

[Image: valerian-movie-2017-images-cast-700x352.jpg]

I knew the comics from my childhood and they changed a few things strongly.

First - Valerian was tall, masculine and the girl Valerie, was totally in love with him. The comic worked because it was a super-good-looking happy couple trying to stay alive in an alien deadly galaxy.

Compare:

[Image: Valerian-Comic-Book-Luc-Besson.jpg]

[Image: 2481d37ee617c3fe558359d9c5935865--luc-be...ic-art.jpg]

[Image: valerian-laureline-vol-6-cinebook-1024x433.jpg]

See - a stronger man, a cute feminine woman totally in love with him (despite the fact that she is super-smart and competent in her own right - but she was his girl first).

Compare the body language and the couple now:

[Image: maxresdefault.jpg]

Yeah - she so tough, she equal to the man, she a big warrior who needs no man!

But it is 2017 and so the shitheads picked a resting-bitch-face woman who was more hardass and super-woman-need-no-man, while their choice for Valerian was utterly uninspiring.

Since hardly anyone knew the comics, they should have picked a tall very likeable main actor and a super-hot girl, who is all smiles and all over him. Frankly this would be a total game-changer to see A FUCKING HAPPY HETEROSEXUAL COUPLE IN HOLLYWOOD! This would be such a stark revolutionary thing that people might have gone to the cinema to see such a rare occurence (outside of romcom flics).

But this can never be shown, because we know that only trans, interracial, or gay couples are good - hetero is problematic.

So they chose a short rather unknown skinny-fat-looking actor who looks as if he just came out of heroin-rehab and got too many Hollywood-producer-dicks in his ass, so that he does not care anymore.

In a way the movie tanked because of PC-think and deluded Hollywood-bubble where they assume that everyone is a leftist-marxist-post-modernist-nihilist. Guardians of the Galaxy would not have worked without the likeable endearing Chris Pratt as a lead. And people would not want to see resting-bitch-face-super-woman as the big hero.

Fuck them! They deserve to blow a 200 mio. $ loss on it. The material would have been good enough to create multiple billion dollar movies - but instead they have their shitty feminist postmodernist dud.

For fuck's sake - even the pics they picked as comparison make it all clear:

[Image: ValerianBar640.jpg]

[Image: valerian-comics-and-movie.jpg]

Don't those shitheads see the fucking difference!? The girl in the comic embraces Valerian with her leg. The one in the movie might at best let him eat her asshole if she is high enough. Then she fucks 10 other dudes, so that she can stay strong and independent.

We are really in a prison culture:

[Image: cara-delevingne-got-tattoo-sleeves-for-t...-ideas.jpg]

[Image: laurel10.jpg]

Yup - the heroines of our times are sure as hell different from the ones in the 70s and 80s.

Also it seems - it is full with propaganda:

Quote:There is no short supply of preachiness too. We are hammered with lefty messages about illegal immigration, environmentalism, a thinly veiled portrayal of post-colonialist guilt tripping. Also, the female explains to the male protagonist that him willing to die for her is not a representation of love. Really ?

Main characters had no chemistry. More like brother and sister than lovers.
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(Today 12:16 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  So all due credit to him, he managed to offload the risk onto a bunch of really stupid distributors, but I think they're wrong when they say it won't fuck his career: having burned a large alternate path to funding, neither distributors or major Hollywood studios are exactly going to be beating a path to his door to give him money again.

No matter the funding - this will crush his career if the movie loses 150 mio.$. He will be entrusted with 50 mio. $ budgets now will only get more if such a movie makes hundreds of mio. $.

The people forget nowadays that most movie makers are deluded leftist cultural marxists who want to push every stupid agenda point into the movie, the feminist issue fucking up the love story, the refugee points and Agenda 21 having to be included etc.

Essentially they throw out every archetype hero template for "empowerment" and bullshit. And this only works for the biggest franchises like Social Justice Star Wars, because otherwise the stories would tank.
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^They live in gated communities which they are shuttled too and from while being cloistered by pandering left wing yes-men.

I've often wondered how some of these execs and directors could be so out of touch, but it's really not as impossible as you'd think. They virtually live on another planet.
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Too much soy in the diet?

Scene from The Fifth Element (1997): the main character practices his patriarchal oppression in a funny gunfight with a lot of casualties.




Scene from Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets (2017): the main character must apologize because he has complained about a woman’s driving.

Sad!



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Hi guys!

Good news on the home front I want to share:

I've been hitting the gym with a buddy. I've increased on some machines 20 pounds since the second week of June! Naturally without the meds I'm on I actually go into a very high speed metabolism in connection to mania.Unfortunately it is then followed by a burnt out and deep torpor lasting for months. I've been taking quite a lot of protein and ingesting food and drinks with well needed vitamins.

So I've been cutting down my refined sugar intake by a massive amount and eating far more fruit, and also food straight from my garden. Some examples being carrots, garlic, lettuce, potatoes, and berries. I even have two apple trees.


I'm at 500 pounds, the highest setting, I kid you not on the leg press doing two sets of 31 reps. Its tough getting past 31 but I think its remarkable that I can manage more than 10. My frame is built for bulk so that's what I've been working on. I'm not concerned about weight loss, in fact one of my pants I like to wear have become more loose. The more leg exercise I do the better I feel plus the weight lifting. I walk a fair bit as well so that helps.

Plus stopped smoking in February .Cold Turkey. No nicotine patches or gum. I decided I did not want to waste money on smoking so I stopped abruptly. I don't like being tied down to anything and having to suffer. Oddly though my main reason for quitting it was the expense. I could not buy a Fender Stratocaster that I have now if I was spending 300$ a month on cigarettes.



I got a new job as a janitor too so I'm quite pleased. Moar money and the exercise cleaning places is helpful.


As an aside,

I've seen some serious shit in my adult life. 10 years of struggle with manic depression, past trauma, actual 'triggering', poverty, addiction. It bloody well annoys me when people act as if they have no agency in their lives. Every day for me is annoying, tiresome, exhausting. I don't let it all destroy my spirt or psyche though. I like to think people have the capacity to do something productive in spite of difficulties. There's a passive attitude in some men which disgusts me to see. I think too many of them lack the ability or the will to actually be introspective. enough to take initiatve. It is always another person's fault. Some situations are out of our control but we do control quite a lot.

I'm messed up as I am almost always deep in thought about events and people with actual real world large scale importance or my own issues that need improvement. Its very annoying seeing people give up entirely and waste time.

In addition to that I've decided not to associate with the majority of mental health addled people. They are insanely annoying in my town and many have no clue what is going on around them or they have passively accepted their fate. Others go about attaching to social justice causes which are annoying to see and hear about.

A friend said that I do not look like the type to just be a pessimitic passive drug snorting kind of guy. I don't put up with nonsense and Roosh's advice in his books and articles as well as several men via this forum has been helpful. I would like it if men took actions to improve life rather than throw it away or prostrate themselves for degenerate women that will use them and then destroy their lives.

That's it for me! Have a good week all of you!

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Heh.
Heh.
Heh.
The more matters change; the more they remain the same?

Proverbs 11:22
As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.

Proverbs 14:1
Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

Proverbs 21:19
It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

Proverbs 27:15
A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike
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(Today 05:05 AM)CynicalContrarian Wrote:  Heh.
Heh.
Heh.
The more matters change; the more they remain the same?

Proverbs 11:22
As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.

Proverbs 14:1
Every wise woman buildeth her house: but the foolish plucketh it down with her hands.

Proverbs 21:19
It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

Proverbs 27:15
A continual dropping in a very rainy day and a contentious woman are alike


CC dropping some truth!
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(Today 05:45 AM)Hypno Wrote:  CC dropping some truth!


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(Today 12:16 AM)Paracelsus Wrote:  Yeah, yeah. Visual spectacle was one of the big marketing points for The Fifth Element, too. This is a common feature to most French/European films as opposed to US/British film, something Robert McKee noted: European films are far more concerned with exploring an idea on film than they are telling a story. It's also why only Frenchmen watch French films; because they still think they're superior to Americans (notwithstanding the fact America's been subsidising their continued existence for a good 70 years or so and Classic Snobby French Culture is slowly being overwhelming by The Sandstorm).

lol what? French films have widereaching appeal.

The Prophet? Mesrine? Brotherhood of the Wolf? The Intouchables? Those are just a few examples. Some people prefer watching an "idea on film" as opposed to Zac Efron and the Rock prancing around on screen.

And please do tell Australia's wonderful contributions to world cinematic culture besides Crocodile Dundee. Angel
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Crocodile Dundee was enough.

That was the mic drop.

End of.
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Talking about French cinema, I've recently re-watched Army of Shadows for the second time and it left me speechless once again.

A must-see for every film enthusiast.
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(Today 07:02 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  Crocodile Dundee was enough.

That was the mic drop.

End of.

I concur!

[Image: 600full-crocodile-dundee-screenshot.jpg]
(I'm not sure about her current state though, the pictures I saw discouraged me from invstigating further).

Mad Max wasn't bad either.
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That makes me want to watch Gallipoli movie that young Mel Gibson starred in. I know some basic information about the battle through reading books with the event being covered by the author. I like to think of Gallipoli as a D-Day scenario that failed immensely. Its not common knowledge that it was part of a plan to take that peniunsula, and move overland to Constantinople.. thus taking it from the Ottomans. There was also an agreement with Imperial Russia, France, and the British Empire to allow Russia to rule Constantinople according to a book I read by Martin Gilbert. Lots of Austrialians and New Zealanders died trying to take that area. A sad story. If they had taken Constantinople the Russian Imperial fleet might have been able to break out of the Black Sea with British and French ships able to send supplies up to Sevastpol or elsewhere. I'm taking a 4th year course on the great war in September. Thus I'm quite excited. I think the WW2 course is offered the next term. So freaking stoked.

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Tiger Mandingo, here we go with excellent Aussie movies:
1. Wake in fright (probably the best Australian movie of all time)
2. Bad boy Bubby
3. Ghosts...of the civil dead.

Number 2 & 3 are not for everyone.

New stuff:
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2. Animal Kingdom
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Sorry about this.

Artist beautifies things women are shamed for, to teach them they are beautiful.

Stretch marks:


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Period:

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More here if you have to look.

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(Yesterday 12:15 AM)WalterBlack Wrote:  Abuse victim who was handed £175,000 compensation is ordered to give his ex-wife £100,000 of it as part of his divorce settlement

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I gotta back the wife on this one - not because of the stupid verdict, but because the guy is an idiot. He got £170.000 and does not wish to spend it because it is "dirty money". He wants to give it to "charity". Most charities except a few independent ones are either globalist owned NGOs or they are scams. I met several millionaires who got rich doing "charities" - for children (collecting clothes, toys), for animals, for various globalist causes. That is why I personally only give to charities I know in and out, have researched extremely well or got to know the owners.

Something tells me that this bloke is a wimp and will give it to the world's trillionaires who will use it for crap anyway. Better for the wife to spend the cash into circulation and contribute to the GDP. I would have given her £169.000 as a judge - heh.

Same here. She's using it to buy a home HIS KIDS LIVE IN! Hard to complain about that. Dirty money, clean money, at the end of the day you've got to take care of your kids.

Charity is something you take care of AFTER your own responsibilities and families are taken care of.

*I may have been more sympathetic if he was using it to make the second half of his life better than the first, but he wasn't.
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(Today 05:30 PM)Cation Wrote:  Tiger Mandingo, here we go with excellent Aussie movies:
1. Wake in fright (probably the best Australian movie of all time)
2. Bad boy Bubby
3. Ghosts...of the civil dead.

Number 2 & 3 are not for everyone.

New stuff:
1. Chopper
2. Animal Kingdom
3. Mystery Road

So you made his point for him.

In just 1960 alone France produced films that were better than this.
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(Today 06:46 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  lol what? French films have widereaching appeal.

The Prophet?

Un Prophet, I take it? Budget $13 million, Box office take $17.9 million. Fail.

Quote:Mesrine?

The 2008 remake? Budget $50 million, box office take $46.3 million. Fail.

Quote:Brotherhood of the Wolf?

Budget $29 million, box office take $70 million. Mind you, that box office is worldwide, which sort of demonstrates even Frenchmen didn't want to go see it. If you go by the idea that a film has to make three times its budget to actually turn a worthwhile profit for anybody, that's also a fail. Plenty of American or even British action films do better than that.

Quote:The Intouchables?

Budget $10.8 million, Box office $426 million, which I'll admit is pretty damn good. Having said that, the review from the Independent regarded the film as: "a third-rate buddy movie that hardly understands its own condescension....Why has the world flipped for this movie? Maybe it's the fantasy it spins on racial/social/cultural mores, much as Driving Miss Daisy did 20-odd years ago – uptight rich white employer learns to love through black employee's life-force. That was set in the segregationist America of the 1940s. What's this film's excuse?"

Oh, I know. "But box office take doesn't reflect quality!" Maybe not, but by definition it does reflect whether the film has wideranging appeal, which is what we were talking about. And funnily enough, when the French decide to make a film on a subject that demonstrably has wide appeal (i.e. rich white guy learns to like black servant, i.e.e. copy Driving Miss Daisy), they make money. It's just a pity French cinema hasn't learned to do that more than once.

Quote:Some people prefer watching an "idea on film" as opposed to Zac Efron and the Rock prancing around on screen.

Some people prefer to eat blowfish, too. The only problem is when they think that the fact they like blowfish makes them superior to everyone else on the planet who prefers a good steak. The French like French films, it's just a pity that generally speaking nobody else does.

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