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(07-26-2014 12:03 AM)Aziz Nuts Wrote:  I could be wrong but isn't Christian McQueen a made-up persona like G Manifesto?

I read his blog a couple of times. It's one of those 4 Hour Work Week things where you just pay someone on Fiverr to reword other people's stuff in order to get search traffic to sell books. It's smart as hell, whoever set it up.
CM just recently made a thread revealing who he is. Maybe you should look at it before you start making false assumptions.
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(07-26-2014 12:35 AM)game_ethic Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 12:03 AM)Aziz Nuts Wrote:  I could be wrong but isn't Christian McQueen a made-up persona like G Manifesto?

I read his blog a couple of times. It's one of those 4 Hour Work Week things where you just pay someone on Fiverr to reword other people's stuff in order to get search traffic to sell books. It's smart as hell, whoever set it up.
CM just recently made a thread revealing who he is. Maybe you should look at it before you start making false assumptions.

He's also met tons of forum members, not to mention his podcast...

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CMQ's reveal himself thread has also been locked.
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Everything was all good just a week ago
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I find it weird, first CMQ stopped posting for a couple of days (seemed like a tempban), then comes back for a couple of days, gets his threads locked, and hasn't posted for a couple of days.

His twitter is active though.

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He hasn't responded to my email either

This is some Sherlock Holmes shit

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If his stuff is disappearing everywhere we may be hearing the last of this. That looks an awful lot like some one who revealed himself, is getting fucked by it, and is now trying to wipe the traces of his existence out.
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I can't imagine CMQ isn't getting trolled the fuck out since the reveal. But this seems even beyond that as it just may have opened up Pandora's box for him and closing it is going to be a long term chore rather than a short term fix where things go back to normal on RVF at least any time soon.

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(07-26-2014 12:37 PM)LaserBear Wrote:  If his stuff is disappearing everywhere we may be hearing the last of this. That looks an awful lot like some one who revealed himself, is getting fucked by it, and is now trying to wipe the traces of his existence out.

His pics on his blog are still up though.
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(07-26-2014 12:35 AM)game_ethic Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 12:03 AM)Aziz Nuts Wrote:  I could be wrong but isn't Christian McQueen a made-up persona like G Manifesto?

I read his blog a couple of times. It's one of those 4 Hour Work Week things where you just pay someone on Fiverr to reword other people's stuff in order to get search traffic to sell books. It's smart as hell, whoever set it up.
CM just recently made a thread revealing who he is. Maybe you should look at it before you start making false assumptions.

I just read the "big reveal" thread. It looks like Christian McQueen is a living, breathing person. After delving deeper, I'm also of the opinion that he's a high-octane internet huckster geared toward selling as many books as possible through questionable methods - the Manosphere equivalent of a used car salesman. Here's why:

I used to do paid SEO articles on Fiverr for other, similar 4-Hour Workweek projects. Basically, you take preexisting content and reword it. Takes 5-10 minutes, you make 5 bucks. Once you've done it for a while, you get an eye for spotting reworded content. I went back to double check to make sure I wasn't full of shit.

Lo and behold, I couldn't find the articles that originally tripped my Fiverr radar. Luckily there's archive.org.

Compare this:

https://web.archive.org/web/201407090726...s-mindset/

with this:

http://www.ucancreatesuccess.com/blog/cr...s-mindset/

The original link is now a 404.

Here's another that was very blatantly plagiarized from PUA Forums:

http://www.puaforums.com/how-flirt-girls...-list.html

Compare with this:

https://web.archive.org/web/201407201500...ed-in-you/

Again, 404'ed on his page.

The second is word-for-word plagiarized content. I recall seeing more examples but Archive.org is slow/limited an I don't want to spend all day on a public service announcement.

Bottom line - I have a hard time believing that someone who lives a fast-paced, substance abuse-filled Hollywood promoter lifestyle also has the time to crank out multiple books and daily blog posts. It appears that Christian McQueen is using questionable methods to make a lot of money from people like us, and I don't support that.

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I can corroborate Aziz Nuts post, we delved into this a while back. Christian is a real person however his content is not his. He's bullshitted the community to make money off us, a breach of trust. I would suspect that as we found this out so did Roosh too, however I won't put any words into his mouth. When there's been a lot of emphasis placed on trustworthiness from people who run blogs especially with recent plagiarism of one of our members websites, there was a need to call this out too.

Unfortunately the time we found the information was the time the guy revealed himself. Worst time to reveal that his blog was not his own words as we would be easy targets and be called 'haters'.

The hypocrisy of Christian can be recalled in his little spat with GLL who posted a video of himself approaching girls. You all know what transpired there.

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Still can't believe how crazy last night was.

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(07-26-2014 01:29 PM)bojangles Wrote:  I can corroborate Aziz Nuts post, we delved into this a while back. Christian is a real person however his content is not his. He's bullshitted the community to make money off us, a breach of trust. I would suspect that as we found this out so did Roosh too, however I won't put any words into his mouth. When there's been a lot of emphasis placed on trustworthiness from people who run blogs especially with recent plagiarism of one of our members websites, there was a need to call this out too.

Unfortunately the time we found the information was the time the guy revealed himself. Worst time to reveal that his blog was not his own words as we would be easy targets and be called 'haters'.

The hypocrisy of Christian can be recalled in his little spat with GLL who posted a video of himself approaching girls. You all know what transpired there.

You could be right, bojangles. But what do you say about the many members who have met him in person and said that he is legit?
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(07-26-2014 01:39 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 01:29 PM)bojangles Wrote:  I can corroborate Aziz Nuts post, we delved into this a while back. Christian is a real person however his content is not his. He's bullshitted the community to make money off us, a breach of trust. I would suspect that as we found this out so did Roosh too, however I won't put any words into his mouth. When there's been a lot of emphasis placed on trustworthiness from people who run blogs especially with recent plagiarism of one of our members websites, there was a need to call this out too.

Unfortunately the time we found the information was the time the guy revealed himself. Worst time to reveal that his blog was not his own words as we would be easy targets and be called 'haters'.

The hypocrisy of Christian can be recalled in his little spat with GLL who posted a video of himself approaching girls. You all know what transpired there.

You could be right, bojangles. But what do you say about the many members who have met him in person and said that he is legit?
I said he's real (I've seen him with my own eyes), his blog content is not and who knows about his ROK content? I never delved into that, Aziz nuts posted the proof. Want more?

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(07-26-2014 01:21 PM)Aziz Nuts Wrote:  I just read the "big reveal" thread. It looks like Christian McQueen is a living, breathing person. After delving deeper, I'm also of the opinion that he's a high-octane internet huckster geared toward selling as many books as possible through questionable methods - the Manosphere equivalent of a used car salesman. Here's why:

I used to do paid SEO articles on Fiverr for other, similar 4-Hour Workweek projects. Basically, you take preexisting content and reword it. Takes 5-10 minutes, you make 5 bucks. Once you've done it for a while, you get an eye for spotting reworded content. I went back to double check to make sure I wasn't full of shit.

Lo and behold, I couldn't find the articles that originally tripped my Fiverr radar. Luckily there's archive.org.

Compare this:

https://web.archive.org/web/201407090726...s-mindset/

with this:

http://www.ucancreatesuccess.com/blog/cr...s-mindset/

The original link is now a 404.

Here's another that was very blatantly plagiarized from PUA Forums:

http://www.puaforums.com/how-flirt-girls...-list.html

Compare with this:

https://web.archive.org/web/201407201500...ed-in-you/

Again, 404'ed on his page.

The second is word-for-word plagiarized content. I recall seeing more examples but Archive.org is slow/limited an I don't want to spend all day on a public service announcement.

Bottom line - I have a hard time believing that someone who lives a fast-paced, substance abuse-filled Hollywood promoter lifestyle also has the time to crank out multiple books and daily blog posts. It appears that Christian McQueen is using questionable methods to make a lot of money from people like us, and I don't support that.
Fair enough. You make some valid points. However, before we jump to any conclusions—however startling they may be—let's just watch and see how it plays and find out what really happened.
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(07-26-2014 01:43 PM)bojangles Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 01:39 PM)TheSlayer Wrote:  
(07-26-2014 01:29 PM)bojangles Wrote:  I can corroborate Aziz Nuts post, we delved into this a while back. Christian is a real person however his content is not his. He's bullshitted the community to make money off us, a breach of trust. I would suspect that as we found this out so did Roosh too, however I won't put any words into his mouth. When there's been a lot of emphasis placed on trustworthiness from people who run blogs especially with recent plagiarism of one of our members websites, there was a need to call this out too.

Unfortunately the time we found the information was the time the guy revealed himself. Worst time to reveal that his blog was not his own words as we would be easy targets and be called 'haters'.

The hypocrisy of Christian can be recalled in his little spat with GLL who posted a video of himself approaching girls. You all know what transpired there.

You could be right, bojangles. But what do you say about the many members who have met him in person and said that he is legit?
I said he's real (I've seen him with my own eyes), his blog content is not and who knows about his ROK content? I never delved into that, Aziz nuts posted the proof. Want more?

No, no, I am not talking his blog and ROK content. I mean legit in the sense that he's a sharp guy with good game. And yes, the find by Aziz is surprising to say the least.
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He might have used a list of IOIs from the internet, but that doesn't make his stuff any less real.

That list you posted of IOIs is collection of the general knowledge of IOIs that has been around since the days of Mystery. It's not like that list is anything original either. Those are the standard ones.

A lot of game writing takes things that have already been written and re-states it or updates it.

Go through any game book that's out and you will see things that have been inspired by or borrow from manuals like Mystery Method or any of those 15 year old books.

Check out PUA lingo for more terms that have been around a long time.
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I'm just severely more disturbed by the fact that staying anonymous is all but mandatory for guys like us nowadays

All the radfem bloggers over at jizzabel and whatnot can write whatever the fuck they want under their real name and get non stop praise from women and white knights around. Invert the genders and that isn't the case.

This is why what McQueen did took some serious brass balls. Idk what's going on now but since he's an affiliate of mine it concerns me to a certain extent.

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(07-26-2014 02:05 PM)soup Wrote:  He might have used a list of IOIs from the internet, but that doesn't make his stuff any less real.

That list you posted of IOIs is collection of the general knowledge of IOIs that has been around since the days of Mystery. It's not like that list is anything original either. Those are the standard ones.

A lot of game writing takes things that have already been written and re-states it or updates it.

Go through any game book that's out and you will see things that have been inspired by or borrow from manuals like Mystery Method or any of those 15 year old books.

Check out PUA lingo for more terms that have been around a long time.
I don't think that's the point Aziz is trying to make. I believe he's saying that CM is plagiarizing content from other "sources" and putting them into his e-books and blog, which is a hypocritical move.

Either way, his marketing methods may be questionable, but his advice nonetheless works because we can obviously see that CM lives the lifestyle he preaches in his content.
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(07-26-2014 01:29 PM)bojangles Wrote:  The hypocrisy of Christian can be recalled in his little spat with GLL who posted a video of himself approaching girls. You all know what transpired there.

Link or it did NOT happen. Banana I always wanted to say that. Smile
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(07-26-2014 01:35 PM)Rosca Wrote:  Still can't believe how crazy last night was.


What? Last night was pretty normal for me. Huh
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TheSlayer and Soup - Game Ethic is exactly right. I originally thought that Christian McQueen was a made up character, but after closer inspection this is incorrect. It seems quite likely that he is a legit player that lives the lifestyle he claims to live.

This situation is a different sort of scenario than when Matt Forney exposed Danny 504 and Sunshine Mary as frauds. This is more like when you hire a band of gypsies redo your roof, then realize they used construction paper instead of shingles. He seems like he's more than capable of doing his own work, but instead he's stealing or rewording content in order to make the fastest buck possible.

Game Ethic - I really have no idea if this is connected to the locked threads/deleted posts. It's most likely something unrelated, I just felt like I should express my doubts as to Christian McQueen's good intentions.

Here's another (live) example of Christian McQueen lifting and rewording a topic from a self-help blog:

http://blockedurl.com/2014/07/07/elevate...mentation/

Compare to:

http://projectlifemastery.com/speed-of-i...more-done/

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I have been thinking that he probably sits down a couple times a week and creates the content which would explain why he sometimes puts up two or three blog posts in a single day.

His posts are never that long anyways.
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