“If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife”

I think it's about a balance between looks and personality.

You want someone who is attractive to you but not a model esque 10/10 as the majority of those type of women are already in relationships.

So if one can find a woman who is slightly better looking than average (a 6/10 or a 7/10) and has good values and a good relationship with her family (her father in particular) then she would be considered a worthy prospect.

The problem is that even women who are less than average attractiveness (a 4/10) have their attitudes so gassed up from all the social media and real life attention that they are unpleasant to talk to.

They know men have never been so thirsty in any other era and so they take undue advantage of the situation.

If a Unicorn stumbles your way. Its best not to refuse. But otherwise statistically your advice is sound.
 

Joe316

Robin
So if one can find a woman who is slightly better looking than average (a 6/10 or a 7/10) and has good values and a good relationship with her family (her father in particular) then she would be considered a worthy prospect.

The problem is that even women who are less than average attractiveness (a 4/10) have their attitudes so gassed up from all the social media and real life attention that they are unpleasant to talk to.

My own experience is that the more attractive a woman is, the more pleasant she is to talk to, while the sought after average "girl next door" is the hardest to approach and to keep entertained. Of course the more attractive women come with much more red flags.
 

Viktor Zeegelaar

Pelican
Orthodox Inquirer
I'd change it to this:

“If you wanna be happy/have meaning/have peace/have loyalty/have commitment for the rest of your life, never make a secular woman your wife”​

 

Tytalus

Pelican
There was an old thread about this

There are a good handful of men on here who would rather marry an ugly woman and not have to worry about them cheating. I think that's a cop out, but to each their own.

When I was a university student in the public computer lab... I remember this tall average-ish dude arguing with his butt ugly GF to admit she was cheating on him. Cheaters gonna cheat.
 

Peter6590

Chicken
While I somewhat agree with the general consensus (10/10 women are "harder" to keep and <7/10 girls are safer), the reality is always nuanced as it follows:

I believe that for every 10/10, great-looking woman out there, there is atleast a man that is bored of having intercourse with her. I think the insecurity of men regarding them stems from the fact that they are believed to be harder to conquer. In many cases though, this isn't true. Many of them have fragile egos because of past failed relationships, deceivings, self-perception problems ect.

On the other hand, nowadays there are droves of men with absolutely no female experience and no standards whatsoever who choose to pay loads of cash on OnlyFans or pornography with sub-mediocre women. Also, less attractive women can also be more motivated to accept flirting from other men simply because this isn't a common thing for them, their desire being to raise their ego, to "prove themselves worthy".

That being said, while the notch count matters to some extent (the good-looking women having, on average, a greater number of partners in the past) I think the most important thing is the character and education of the woman.

There will always be "hot" women faithful to their husbands and "ugly" women ready to have sex with any man available.

On top of that, looks are deceiving and temporary. A smart woman would know that the best time to find yourself a worthy partner is while being young, at your peak. In that case, a beautiful, smart woman would try to build a lasting marriage with the best man they can find. Mediocre/sub-mediocre women try to settle, in general, with what they're being offered. Sometimes, they find out that there's "room for improvement" and lead to the destruction of relationships and marriages.

Unfortunately, the society nowadays is intensely promoting single life until mid-30's but a worthy woman should not fall into that trap. So, in my opinion, instead of searching for a woman based on her age, I think it's the age that matters. Of course, on the road there can be setbacks or even red flags that disqualify a woman but there's no other way getting to know her better.

That being said, I think you can be happy with ANY woman, as long as she's young enough not to be "damaged" by multiple past relationships, the chronicization of newly-imposed societal "values" or the desperation to find any willingful guy, not the right one.
 

Uzisuicide

Kingfisher
Gold Member
In my experience the irritation factor you will experience with a woman is directly congruent with her attractiveness. Mostly due to other men in their orbit falling all over themselves to get with her. I've walked away from my last three gorgeous women because I couldn't take it any anymore. If you want to keep a hot girl from straying then you have to tell her no when she comes up with ridiculous demands! Good old fashioned frame. But eventually you'll walk.
 

JimMike

Chicken
Re: pretty women = less faithful: I've dealt with conflict and discipline issues in a large organization for about 25 years. in the last 6 years, I've dealt with 9 crisis precipitated by women cheating on their husbands. (Interestingly, I've not personally dealt with any husbands cheating on wives in the last decade. That was much more common 30 years ago.) I don't have particularly high standards but every unfaithful wife I've dealt with was below average in the looks department. And some were quite below average. I mean at the very bottom of the scale. Also, I would rate several of the cheated-on husbands as being more attractive than the unfaithful wife.
 
The thirst is insane today, so a number of women who would have been an "ugly woman" according to that song are probably in high demand today and can run an OnlyFans. A Plain Jane 5, or maybe even a 6, is probably who he was talking about.

Someone these days who qualifies as "ugly enough to be no trouble" is probably a 4 or under. Call me shallow, but I'd rather be single then marry someone that profoundly unattractive.

It just amazes me what women can accomplish with the adept application of make-up. I've seen women who I swore were a rock solid 8, but without their make-up they were actually just barely a five.
 

skyhigh1

Chicken
Orthodox
I think there’s a bit of merit on what he says about pretty women, but it goes too far in the other extreme in my opinion.
It goes to far I agree.
Anyways it depends on what you understand by pretty. This is all relative. In my opinion a pretty girl is a girl that looks nice with no makeup and no other hair tricks, they are very few that are really pretty and from those fewer live healhty so their appearance will fade fast.
 
This song is enjoyable to listen to and had some truth when it came out but not so much anymore. As mentioned many times, plenty of fat married women with awful personalities still manage to find men willing to fornicate with them. Many of these women know they are ugly and feel disgust and when a man flirts with her, she will feel a boost of self-esteem and maybe go for an affair to feel she is 'beautiful.'

Values are the key. Marry a woman with good values that doesn't need the attention of others to feel happy with herself. Narcissistic women are dangerous and more likely to cheat whether ugly or pretty. If she maintains her looks (ex. doesn't let herself get fat/doesn't dress sloppy), she might reasonably expect you to maintain your looks as well and not get a messy beard and wear sweatpants everywhere and get chunky. Neither of you should be obsessed with it but at least have some dignity.

Don't marry a woman you are not physically and mentally attracted to. Looks are not everything but they matter a bit. I would be depressed if my wife had some facial hair and was 220 pounds. I don't understand how so many men can accept that.
 
Back in the old days Roosh wrote a great article about things he'd require in a wife if he ever got married. Not sure if it's still out there or not, but one thing was that her looks be right around the 7 range on the classic 1-10 scale. I think this is ideal too. You want to be attracted to her, but at much above a 7 it becomes very hard to keep her hypergamy in line.
Yes, this is a good idea but it also depends on country factors. A 5 in China is a 7 in the USA due to many factors. Many western men would be perfectly happy with a China 5 who has a good personality. As in America, the top looking women in China also often seem to be a bit narcissistic due to getting constant attention from men.

Be reasonable about looks difference between you and her. A 40-year old western man with average income, proper weight, average looks, but with decent education and a good attitude who is polite and marriage minded can find a woman that is 5-6 by China standards that is 30 and he will consider himself lucky.
 

Rob Banks

Pelican
This kind of ties into what I wrote recently in the "makeup" thread over in the ladies' section.

Basically, what is considered to be "pretty" in modern times requires vanity, self-objectification, and artificial means (e.g. makeup) to achieve a look that is considered "sexy" or desirable.

Yes, you probably don't want to marry a woman who goes for the supermodel look and style. She is likely to be rather vain and disloyal.

In my opinion, that is not true beauty. With true beauty comes modesty, virtue, and softness of heart and spirit.

I mean, just look at icons and works of art that depict the Virgin Mary. Does she look at all similar to what would be considered "sexy" today? Of course not. And yet she is considered to be the perfect woman.
 
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This kind of ties into what I wrote recently in the "makeup" thread over in the ladies' section.

Basically, what is considered to be "pretty" in modern times requires vanity, self-objectification, and artificial means (e.g. makeup) to achieve a look that is considered "sexy" or desirable.

Yes, you probably don't want to marry a woman who goes for the supermodel look and style. She is likely to be rather vain and disloyal.

In my opinion, that is not true beauty. With true beauty comes modesty, virtue, and softness of heart and spirit.

I mean, just look at icons and works of art that depict the Virgin Mary. Does she look at all similar to what would be considered "sexy" today? Of course not. And yet she is considered to be the perfect woman.
However, the Virgin Mary would not be considered ugly even by today's standards. When I think of an ugly woman, I think of one that is obese with short hair and possibly a lot of tattoos and body/facial hair. The Virgin Mary was thin and feminine looking (which used to be the norm in many countries but now seems to be the exception). She probably had a diet low in sugar, likely didn't party at nightclubs and drink heavily, and she dressed in a simple but still feminine way. All of these things help make women more attractive without being vain. The song says 'find an ugly girl to marry you' which is different from saying 'find a PLAIN and simple but attractive/cute girl to marry you.'

I agree with what you say about true beauty. However, personally I could not be attracted to a woman that is obese with facial hair (even with no tattoos and long hair) even if she has an angelic personality. Facial hair (even just sideburns) looks too masculine and obesity reflects her being lazy and sloppy and having lack of self-respect.

I dislike makeup as well. Women are more attractive by maintaining natural beauty.
 
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