1/4 of US children live in single parent households, more than any other country

Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
One thing useful in this would be a breakdown of whites vs. other. Blacks alone have an illegitimacy rate over 70% and I'm guessing some of this graph is a reflection on the amount of diversity. That said, I've seen rates of single motherhood that were more like 30% even for whites. It's a lot higher for other ethnicities, with the exception of Asians.

Not that the news is otherwise good, as the rate of bastardization among whites is a lot higher than it was 50 years ago, same with shacking up before marriage. I get tired of seeing stats about US gun violence, when if you factor out non-whites it's about the same as it is with whites in other countries.
 

Batman_

Kingfisher
Athanasius said:
One thing useful in this would be a breakdown of whites vs. other. Blacks alone have an illegitimacy rate over 70% and I'm guessing some of this graph is a reflection on the amount of diversity. That said, I've seen rates of single motherhood that were more like 30% even for whites. It's a lot higher for other ethnicities, with the exception of Asians.

Not that the news is otherwise good, as the rate of bastardization among whites is a lot higher than it was 50 years ago, same with shacking up before marriage. I get tired of seeing stats about US gun violence, when if you factor out non-whites it's about the same as it is with whites in other countries.

Yeah I'd love to see this broken down by race and gender. It doesn't really say a whole lot with that data.
 

NoMoreTO

Hummingbird
Catholic
It honestly seems a lot higher than 1/4. I actually believe it is closer to 50%.

Some thoughts:
- I wonder if split custody is included in single parent households.
- Consider that young children, will at some point later on live in single parent households, but are still together.
- If divorce is 50% plus, It's hard to see how single parent families can be much less than that.
- Nuclear families have more children, perhaps this is what causes the 1/4 of actual children.
- The numbers actually seem low in Western Europe.
 

Buck Wild

Woodpecker
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
Waiting for everything to be blamed at Africans despite Africa being a bastion of chastity and tradition in comparison...

Exactly. This really gives the lie to all the black bashing here on the forum. Yes black people in the US have high-rates of illegitimacy...but black people in Africa are tied for the lowest rates in the world. Which is pretty solid evidence that culture and economics are the issue much more so than genetics or heritable traits (even though genetics aren't irrelevant by any stretch).
 

Aurini

Pelican
Buck Wild said:
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
Waiting for everything to be blamed at Africans despite Africa being a bastion of chastity and tradition in comparison...

Exactly. This really gives the lie to all the black bashing here on the forum. Yes black people in the US have high-rates of illegitimacy...but black people in Africa are tied for the lowest rates in the world. Which is pretty solid evidence that culture and economics are the issue much more so than genetics or heritable traits (even though genetics aren't irrelevant by any stretch).

I'm pretty sure the consensus is that Blacks in America have been weaponized through propaganda and socialism. It's frustrating because, while charity means we understand these circumstances, justice demands a nine millimetre heater for the likes of Michael Brown and his many, many, many fellow thugs.
 

911

Peacock
Catholic
Gold Member
Black Americans are more predisposed to these tendencies due to the experience of slavery, which cut them off from their traditional heritage. The highest rate of illegitemacy in the world is in Jamaica, a country that didn't have Great Society type socialism. I've met a young guy from Trinidad whose grandmother had 13 kids from 11 different fathers.

Countries in which slavery existed have the highest rate of children being born out of wedlock. In Jamaica, more children are born out of wedlock than anywhere else in the world. Fourteen per cent are born to parents who are married to each other, while 86 per cent are not.

This is according to renowned family psychologist and chief executive officer of Family Life Ministries, Dr Barry Davidson, who says the only places that can be compared to Jamaica are places like Barbados, Antigua, St Kitts and other countries with a similar background. Dr Davidson says if you also look at black Americans you will find that they too have a very high rate of children being born out of wedlock when compared with Hispanics or white Americans.

This is because slaves were never socialised to be good fathers and mothers, wives and husbands. Slavery was not about people getting married. Rather, it was about a man impregnating a woman with male slaves socialised to be studs. The aim was to produce as many slaves as possible, just as a farmer hopes to have as many head of cattle as possible.

During slavery, the only person who had the opportunity to practise any kind of parenting was the female.

Interestingly, despite their slavery experience, Trinidad and Guyana have a very low rate of children born outside of marriage, due to the large number of East Indians who later came as indentured servants.

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/columns/Marriage-matters_52111



https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-74178-post-2026255.html#pid2026255
 

questor70

 
Banned
I am surprised that Scandinavia doesn't rank higher. I think they claim it's dual parent even in a never-married baby-daddy situation as long as the father participates, but Scandinavia is by far the worst.
 
Handsome Creepy Eel said:
Waiting for everything to be blamed at Africans despite Africa being a bastion of chastity and tradition in comparison...

You should check out Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell; he breaks it down beautifully.

He points out that stereotypical black ghetto culture is actually the remnants of white cracker culture that slaves in the south learned from the whites around them. In the south, many whites were from lawless regions of Ireland and Scotland, in contrast to northern whites, mainly from cities and their surrounding towns in England. He shows how similar ghetto culture and the culture of these whites from more lawless regions of Ireland and Scotland that settled in the south.

He then goes on to provide evidence of how blacks in the north, before the great migration of southern blacks north, did not have a ghetto culture. Even after the migration of southern blacks north, blacks in America were slowly rising up economically and generally had a very low out of wedlock birth rate.

However, civil rights legislation pushed by white liberals took away many of the naturally occurring gains and provided a greater economic incentive for black women to marry the government through welfare rather than marrying the father of the child, thus destroying the black family and keeping the black community in a perpetual cycle of self destruction.

Edit: It would be interesting to take the graphic that OP posted and take a look at the correlation between the percentage of single parent households and each country's welfare policy and if it provides greater economic incentive for a woman to not marry the father of her child and collect welfare vs. marrying the father.
 

Athanasius

Pelican
Protestant
One of the problems is that with occasional exceptions like Sowell and JLP, it's always someone else's fault when it comes to black issues: white racism, Jews, slavery, poverty. It's as if blacks have no moral agency, which is really more dehumanizing than shaming them. The enablers throughout their community and beyond -- i.e. those who should know better-- are a huge part of the problem.

Colin interrupts too much but this is a pretty good interview with the late prison psychologist Marlin Newburn. It talks about the terrible effects of infantilization in the black community and distills things Theodore Dalrymple said years earlier in his book "Life at the Bottom." Dalrymple himself was a former prison psychologist in England.

 

kel

 
Banned
They're doing a big experiment on society. We're told "it's fine, parents are totally optional, any old crackwhore can have a kid and give it to be raised by the state and that's just fine, ideal even". All of society is a big petri dish for this social experiment.
 
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The US is not so bad for certain ethnicities - some are just slanting the numbers.

One of the things you have to realize is that if there is a lack of welfare, divorce and alimony-systems, then the divorce rate goes down tremendously and women only leave men when the guy beats the living hell ouf of them - and even then they often stay.

In Germany I know that the single-mother stats of mixed marriages with African fathers is close to 90% - it's almost all across Europe. I noted the same issue with a few mixed friends from other countries - always the missing father and the single mother. Depending on the social strata and support that kid can turn out fine, but the family structure does not look so good.

The interesting aspect is that people point to African countries as beacons of stable marriages. If you implemented the Western welfare and alimony support system, then we can safely assume that it would go the same trajectory as in the US. Some places have single motherhood stats of 20% while having close to zero welfare and divorce laws - we could imagine that rate to be 30-40% if modern Western systems were implemented. A similar reduction of single mothers would happen if suddenly welfare ran dry, both men and women had to work or welfare was suddenly tied by the law to having a married father in the house.

Some tribes just react to dysgenic incentives less - Asians beating Whites easily in the US is no surprise there. Latinos follow the same trajectory - somewhat more stable in Mexico, but cross the border to the US - poof 300% more single mothers quickly. There is far less financial safety in order to do this.

In order to compare stats we would have to look at countries with similar welfare and divorce systems.

Another point is that some European countries have a high co-habitation rate vs marriage rate. So many children live with 2 parents even if they are not married, they have stable relationships. High-trust higher-IQ societies also don't collapse into eternal riots, knock-out games and mass-crime waves only because 18% of the kids are raised by single moms - out of those another 10% are either never-married or live with a stable partner/second man as well.

The assumption among many metrics is that single-motherhood = creates high level of dysfunction, when we have to take a look at the data cleaned up by ethnicity and other countries as well. If places like Hungary with a 21% single motherhood ratio are not lawless ghettos, but many US areas are, then something else may be at play. You could send your daughter hitchhiking all across Hungary and almost anywhere except the few gypsy areas, but I would not recommend this in other countries now. Sweden pre mass migration also had a high divorce rate and relatively high single motherhood ratio - they still were a high-trust low-crime country according to all metrics. There simply wasn't the shame with divorce and single moms associated as in countries like Japan which keeps the rate low.
 
When I was a manager of an upscale lodge, I noticed how middle to upper middle class black families would often look down upon poor blacks, in a way most whites would consider racist. And the thought of their children dating them, or reproducing with them, sent chills down their spines! America actually has a strong black middle class, who often do not mince words about those blacks who are seen as "dysfunctional." I recently read an article about the extremes middle class and higher black families will go to, to protect and nourish their daughters, to make sure they don't become a single mom, or flunk out of school. The daughters are seen as especially vulnerable.
 

Towgunner

Kingfisher
Here is what breaks my heart. This unfortunate reality was created. Popular culture drove people to this state. And, because of that fact, this was completely avoidable. If social conditions were different, meaning, if we had more decent customs and fads etc, people, being the sheep that they are, wouldn't object. They would not be miserable. The kids would be raised in with mom and dad and, drum roll, society would be better off. We would probably not have a massive rebellion right now. Its a mixture of disappointment and rage. Someone pushed the right buttons on people and cause this. It was deliberate.
 

PixelFree

Kingfisher
Catholic
Exactly. This really gives the lie to all the black bashing here on the forum. Yes black people in the US have high-rates of illegitimacy...but black people in Africa are tied for the lowest rates in the world. Which is pretty solid evidence that culture and economics are the issue much more so than genetics or heritable traits (even though genetics aren't irrelevant by any stretch).

I've also wondered if our forum is welcoming enough to Black people.

I very much value and appreciate many of the old posters views and perspectives. Unsure if they are still around or changed usernames.

(Nothing to do with the BLM 'protests', have thought this for a while).
 

La Águila Negra

 
Banned
Other Christian
I am very sceptical about the information put forward in this Pew Research survey

It doesn't make sense at all. Most likely they have tampered with the definition of 'parent'.

The information from South America and South East Asia, and possibly Africa, are not in line with the experiences of many members of this board

Myself included. Single motherhood is the norm for lower class Brasileiras. They want a baby when they are 18-22 so they get pumped (and subsequently dumped) by a player. Sad but true. That tendency is now getting more common amongst the middle class as well, this time out of feminist motives (rising divorces/don't need no man! attitude)

It's even worse in the Philippines. So many girls raise illegitimate offspring by themselves. It's an epidemic, the societal shaming has completely disappeared. In the Philippines too this phenomena, which was previously associated with being a shameless slut and a embarrasment for your family, has now moved into middle class mindset as acceptable

Moreover, in both the lower and middle class it has become normal to have several kids with different fathers

Not even mentioning that 10-15 percent of the Filipino population works abroad (OFWs). In 95 percent of the cases they can't, or don't want to bring their kids with them. Those kids get dumped with grandpa and grandma. Or with their lesbian sister

I believe it's the same in West Africa. Many members in the Travel Section have written about it


Now, the only way for these numbers to make sense, is to define 'father' as a male figure within the household. Ie. Step-father, grandfather, uncle etc.
 
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