10 day water-only fast completed

worldwidetraveler

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Suits said:
Why do the "secret insider health knowledge guys" always avoid answering my simple questions?

Do some research if you're interested.

"Five-day fasting diet could fight disease, slow aging"

Now, the researchers have completed a randomized clinical trial in which 71 people followed the fasting-mimicking diet for 3 months, while volunteers in the control group didn’t change their eating habits. Overall, the dieters lost an average of 2.6 kilograms (5.7 pounds), whereas the control group remained at the same weight, the scientists report online today in Science Translational Medicine. The calorie cutters also saw reductions in blood pressure, body fat, and waist size.

A 3-month trial can’t determine whether the diet increases longevity in people like it did in mice, which rarely survive beyond a couple years. But Longo notes that levels of insulin-like growth factor 1, a hormone that promotes aging in rodents and other lab animals, plunged in the low-cal group. And subjects who were at the highest risk for age-related illnesses also saw other indicators of malfunctioning metabolism go down, such as blood glucose levels and total cholesterol.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/02/five-day-fasting-diet-could-fight-disease-slow-aging



"Fasting: A trending food idea and new frontier in longevity science"

n a small study of 71 people, the FMD diet didn't just reduce body weight and body fat, but decreased the body's production of the IGF-1 hormone, which has been implicated in cell processes that lead to aging and disease. The study's subjects also showed a decrease in C-reactive protein — that's notable because it is a marker for inflammation, which in recent years has been implicated in a range of diseases, from heart disease to cancer. The results were published in Science Translational Medicine earlier this year. The Longevity Institute has funding from the National Cancer Institute.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/20/sci...-be-more-important-than-just-eating-less.html
 

mikado

Pelican
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kaotic said:
So much bro science and studies being thrown around.

For the guys who do the fasting, what were your stats before and after. I've noticed you guys saying you've done it, to what goals and results?

Did these results last after or did you go back to your previous stats?


Also, this "detox" bullshit - your fucking body does that already.


I will report in a couple months my results with Ramadan fasting.

I second your "detox" scepticism. Here in France we have the biggest fitness Youtuber in Europe (Tibo Inshape), who always advocates drinking green tea, for detoxification. I would like to have some confirmation of that here.
 

Kid Twist

 
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I don't buy the xenobiotic thing stated by Patrick there, mostly because she doesn't really give a reason, just says "It's metabolized by the liver." Yes Rhonda, but they aren't calories, though they may create some, or minimal, energy breakdown. She walks it back a bit later.

Berkhan from Leangains got plenty of results from IF with coffee in the morning (til 12 noon), as long as it doesn't contain milk/sugar/etc excess calories as additives.
 

worldwidetraveler

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Kid Twist said:
I don't buy the xenobiotic thing stated by Patrick there, mostly because she doesn't really give a reason, just says "It's metabolized by the liver." Yes Rhonda, but they aren't calories, though they may create some, or minimal, energy breakdown. She walks it back a bit later.

Berkhan from Leangains got plenty of results from IF with coffee in the morning (til 12 noon), as long as it doesn't contain milk/sugar/etc excess calories as additives.

Right, she only says it isn't optimal. That really doesn't say much.

I've had a bad knee since I fell wrong in judo class. No doubt I have some arthritis at this point. I experimented with the restricted eating and my knee felt a lot better. I have some weird sleeping habits and fell of that eating cycle and can feel it in my knee.

Hard to tell if I was dealing with a placebo or if it was because of the restricted eating. I need to do it longer once I get a set schedule.

I definitely think there is something to fasting. I don't really know how much fasting is optimal.
 

Tail Gunner

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Fasting is the real deal. I did a two-week water-only medically supervised fast last year, followed by a one-week re-feeding period, at the top fasting clinic in the U.S. (and possibly the world). People traveled from all over the world to be there. I met people from all over the U.S., Switzerland, the U.K., Israel, the Philippines, and elsewhere. I heard many firsthand success stories from actual patients, including people who cured their diabetes, their high blood pressure, and their heart conditions. I meet one guy who had blood pressure of over 200 for many years. He was a walking time bomb. His blood pressure went down to just slightly above normal after only a few weeks of fasting. They have tons of articles and videos about fasting on their web site.

http://www.healthpromoting.com/

Dr. Goldhamer is an amazing wealth of information. I simply selected this video at random, but there are many other videos available on You Tube.



Fasting does a number of things: (1) it allows your body to heal itself using the very substantial energy that is normally devoted to digesting your food, (2) it allows your body to naturally reboot (much like a computer), (3) it promotes the production of stem cells for body repair, (4) it deprives your candida overgrowth of the sugar upon which it thrives, (5) it promotes the purging of old and worn-out cells through a process of self-cannibalization (autophagy), and (6) it forces your body to burn fat (ketosis), which slowly releases toxins that may have been in your fat cells for years or decades.

Think about it: what do animals do when they get hurt or get sick? They fast.

As someone who takes their health seriously, I read nearly a dozen books on fasting before taking the plunge and did some three-days fasts myself. Fasting is a lost medical art from the past, so most of the books are quite dated but still highly relevant. I would recommend that you begin with this book.

https://www.amazon.com/Fasting-Eati...id=1523077264&sr=1-1&keywords=fasting+fuhrman

For those who want some scientific background, here are a few articles citing various recent scientific studies:

https://news.usc.edu/63669/fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-of-damaged-old-immune-system/

https://www.newscientist.com/articl...-cent-longer-when-worn-out-cells-are-cleared/

Drink plenty of pure water when you fast. Based on all my research, you can create major health issues by not doing so when you fast. The fasting clinic that I visited required patients to drink a minimum of six large galsses of water per day. After a long fast, you must also undergo a careful re-feeding period to reboot your digestion with broths, juices, and cooked vegetables. You can really mess yourself up by immediately eating a regular meal.
 

Bain

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Nice post TG.

What are you other guys waiting? Get off your rear ends and start your fast and post your results here.

From my experience, here are some important tips in brief.

1 - Properly prepare for your fast. Eat a lot of fruits and drink water day before the fast. Do not eat junk food before the fast - as it makes the fast more difficult and not so pleasant.

2 - Rest during your fast. No strenuous activity. The body needs the energy to heal and cleanse itself. Doing walks though is fine and even helpful to circulate blood. Even a short light swim may be good.

3- Breaking the fast is more important than the fast itself. Break fast with warm lemon water and a bit of salt. Then have only small amounts of water rich fruits. Watermelon is the best. Have liquid soups -- homemade with fresh vegetables for the next few days. Read about how to properly reefed oneself and get good information.

4 - During the fast - no masturbation -- no grocery shopping bc you just want to look at the food. Stay home most of the time --- and read some good books.

5 - Drink 3 - 4 litres of water a day -- though if you can do a dry fast on the first day.

6 - If you do a ten fast which is great -- but it is a mini fast -- the first three days are the most difficult. Day 4, 5 are easy. Day 6,7,8 you get this renewed physical energy and your stomach feels full like you just ate a big meal. Be careful not to start over exerting yourself like I first did and went on a long bike ride. Day 9, 10 are difficult bc you just want the fast to end -- it is more mental though -- not physical as your body can easily keep doing many more days of fasting.

7 - Do not use will power to complete the fast. I find take it one day at a time is best. The first three days are challenging though so you may need some will power there.

8 - You are responsible and accountable your your own health. Get medical supervision if you have any medical ailments -- though fasting tends to cure most ailments.

9 -- After your fast you MUST start eating properly or else you will end up where you were before the fast. I am finding interment fasting -- like one meal a day does wonders.

10 - Fasting is the most direct way to achieve internal health in a short period. Get your before and after blood tests done and see the results for yourself.


The end.
 
RE: 10 day water fast completed

Is anyone else confused by some of these posts? I'm guilty of posting nonsense, just to be funny, but try to make it serious (Suits, style--so it's more funny), but I can't tell if some of this is real or just someone poking fun at bullshit. The lines have been blurred.

PS, if these are real posts, I'm not trying to pick a fight...
 

Teutatis

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Food fasting does offer some health benefits, I do 36h and 48h fasts occasionally but I don't see the point of going more than three days. Going on a no water fasting is just stupid, I can't think of any benefit.
 

LeBaron

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Also the hardest thing about fasting IMO is the social pressure from family and friends, you consistantly need to reject dinner offers or have to fight with your friends to order a Perrier instead of a beer at the bar. Luckily you can still bang girls!
 

worldwidetraveler

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Dulceácido said:
Is anyone else confused by some of these posts? I'm guilty of posting nonsense, just to be funny, but try to make it serious (Suits, style--so it's more funny), but I can't tell if some of this is real or just someone poking fun at bullshit. The lines have been blurred.

PS, if these are real posts, I'm not trying to pick a fight...

My dick grew one inch for each day I fasted.
 

Truth Tiger

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Great info Tail Gunner and Bain. I don't buy into a no water fast, that doesn't make sense and sounds harmful especially as your body needs a constant flow of water to move toxins out that are released from fat cells / your liver and kidneys.

I'm starting a 2-3 day mild fast. I intend to just drink water for the first day. I'm also dealing with an eczema flare up which is prompting me to help my immune system clean my body up. Thanks for the motivation and resources, guys.
 

Tail Gunner

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Teutatis said:
Food fasting does offer some health benefits, I do 36h and 48h fasts occasionally but I don't see the point of going more than three days. Going on a no water fasting is just stupid, I can't think of any benefit.

Yes, a no water fast can be quite dangerous, especially because so many people are already dehydrated without even realizing it. I have done a tremendous amount of research on fasting -- and I have never heard of a water fast. Perhaps someone is confused and misspoke, because the actual name of a true food fast is a "water only fast."

The purpose of fasting more than three days is that when people fast it takes women about two days, and men about three days, for the human body to use up its supply of glucose so that it can reach a state of ketosis and burn stored fat. Most of the benefits of fasting do not arise until the body achieves ketosis, which takes time. It also takes a while for your brain to switch from glucose to fat as a fuel.

Moreover, the longer that you stay on a fast the more stored fat is burned as fuel. If you fast for several weeks you will lose fat that has been in your body for years or even decades (depending how overweight you are). Because most toxins are stored in fat cells, you will slowly and safely lose toxins that have literally been in your body for years! Allowing you body to slowly detoxify is much safer than removing toxins quickly through chelation and other processes which can overload your kidneys and make things worse. Your body can only remove so many toxins within a certain time. Any excess toxins are dumped back into the blood stream, where they can migrate to the brain and make things worse.
 

VincentVinturi

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Jesus... do some of you guys need to be shown studies that sleeping is healthy too?

Fasting holds water on evolutionary and experiential grounds. Actually, I'd argue that the health benefits of fasting are common fucking sense.

When, during our history as a species (homosapiens sapiens, mind you), have we had uninterrupted access to food?

For most of the time food availability was sporadic (hence the term "feast and famine").

The science also seems to point to the idea that various cleanup processes kick in (e.g. autophagy, insulin sensitivity regulation, protein sparing) when your body detects that you've gone without food for "x" amount of time.

Even intermittent fasting, which is basically just a day of no eating (you can chug coconut oil though; idea being not to spike insulin levels and disrupt ketosis), has been studied with impressive results (I'm not going to post links; open Google scholar and do your own homework).

On the experiential level, fasting (and the state of ketosis, which is related but not the same thing) actually feels really good.

You can even consume endogenous ketones which, without doing fuck all else, have promising health effects.

# Experientially #

You can hold your breath longer (try it), your lifts are strong, plenty of endurance, plenty of energy, and your mind is sharp as a tack.

It only really gets hard not to eat on the second and third day, and once you're past that you're not even hungry anymore.

If hunger is the body's mechanism to signal food consumption, and the signal is ignored, and then disappears after a time, what does that tell you?

If, to draw a parallel, you ignored the need for sleep does the desire to sleep go away? No, it compounds and your body will do anything to get some rest.

Water...same thing. You need water and you can only go so long without it.

Not so with food. Why?

If your working theory is that the body is a very intelligent, very complex piece of evolved machinery, then maybe just maybe, we're MEANT to fast from time to time...

Maybe it's even somehow beneficial!

Fasting is present in all of the major religions. Not that this fact legitimizes it, but rather it points at the possibility of a general truth arrived at through copious experience over thousands of years observed by countless people of different backgrounds in different parts of the world.

I'll be the first to admit that I have no idea what the ideal fasting duration is.

I do 1-3 days regularly, not on any set schedule but kind of intuitively.

Going beyond 3 days is impractical but I'd be curious how it affects muscle composition and productivity as the loss of those two things are my major concerns on a 3+ day fast.
 

Pancho

 
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Ice Man said:
Bain said:
I think dry fasts can be quite beneficial

There is no evidence for this whatsoever. There is no benefit to not ingesting fluids.

Guys please do not fuck yourselves up. Broscience is fine when it's harmless like "take cold showers", but not when talking about vital, basic needs.

No one here should be telling guys "dry fasts" are fine or "quite beneficial". I don't care if you supposedly did it for X days, it's retarded, dangerous, with no benefit. If you want to believe shit and advocate for it and kill people via a personal blog then do that, but it shouldn't be spread on a forum where guys are looking for real, factual, healthy advice.


Water fastin yes.

Dry fasting no. You can't live without water, I don't care what anybody says. There's people who have died crossing the U.S. border from dehydration. Telling people you can go many days without water is not only stupid but irresponsible. Trust me I tried dry fasting for 3 days before when I came across a blogger on youtube, on the 4th day I was so fucking thirsty I drank a cup of water in the morning and felt like shit and dizzy as fuck. I went to the emergency room because I almost fainted, and when I was there, the doctor told me that I was dangerously dehydrated and told me what the fuck did I do, and when I told him I was dry fasting he looked at me shaking his head as if he was thinking"you dumb motherfucker". He literally yelled at me and asked me "Why the fuck would you do that, for what?"

I later found out that the blogger on Youtube wasn't actually dry fasting for 5 days or whatever, he was actually only dry fasting for half a day for 5 days. Simple to IF but without water. But he made it seem like he was dry fasting all 5 days.

Fuck that I will never do that again.

Water fasting though is another story. People in Islam and other religions do it all the time. Nothing against water fasting, but dry fasting hell no.
 

mikado

Pelican
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Well, there is a slight difference in Islam.

When you fast, you don't drink water. The duration of the fast depends on the region (dawn, sunset). Typically now in France it will be from 3 am to 9 pm, roughly. However it is advised to drink water plenty after you end the fast.

The binge eating some of you make fun of (people gaining weight during Ramadan ) concerns people with already bad eating habits, who are not already pre-ramadan restraining junk food and/or eating in large quantities (especially fat, bread and oily foods).

I never gained weight during Ramadan, on the contrary I lost a lot of fat.

I think doing it the ramadan way (no food during roughly 19h, a solid meal a day, and a light one before dawn ) is good.
Will make a detailled post about the effects on me, while I am working out 5 times a week (first time I am doing this consistently on the regular).
To conclude: I am not convinced dry fasting is safe. Maybe I will try that just before Ramadan,to compare.
 

Tail Gunner

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VincentVinturi said:
Going beyond 3 days is impractical but I'd be curious how it affects muscle composition and productivity as the loss of those two things are my major concerns on a 3+ day fast.

Fasting has a minimal effect on your muscles. You body is smart. When it has no access to food, it goes through a process of steps. First, it uses up your glucose supply (i.e., carbohydrates), which usually takes 2-3 days. Then it uses up your fat supply, which is usually in the neighborhood of three months (unless you are already thin as a rail; then more like two months). Only then will your body cannibalize muscle. After it cannibalizes the organs, death ensues. So, starvation really does not begin until about the three month mark. Anything up to that point is just fasting.

For many people, productivity will suffer after the first day -- especially in the period when your brain is shifting from burning glucose to fat. Many people get brain fog for a day or so during that transition. Other people can run marathons while fasting. Everyone is different.
 

Bain

Woodpecker
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"Telling people you can go many days without water is not only stupid but irresponsible"

Pancho, I never said that. What I did say was a one day dry can be quite beneficial if you properly prepare yourself -- meaning drinking plenty of water (and fruits) before your fast. Emptying your system of water for a day of two and then drinking the 3 - 4 litres on the third day is like doing a inner body flush. I would not recommend going for more two days. In my last three 10 day fasts, the first two days were dry. But I properly prepared myself.

I also clearly said you are responsible and accountable for your own health.

You have read things wrong twice so far -- my post and the you tube blogger you watched.

You have to hold yourself responsible for your error.
 

Tail Gunner

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worldwidetraveler said:
Dulceácido said:
Is anyone else confused by some of these posts? I'm guilty of posting nonsense, just to be funny, but try to make it serious (Suits, style--so it's more funny), but I can't tell if some of this is real or just someone poking fun at bullshit. The lines have been blurred.

PS, if these are real posts, I'm not trying to pick a fight...

My dick grew one inch for each day I fasted.

So after three days of fasting, you get a four-inch dick. Cool. :tongue:
 

asdfk

Kingfisher
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Some great info in this thread.

Take note though:
- If you have never fasted do it under medical supervision.
- Your immune function is suppressed, especially during refeeding. You are more vulnerable to infections. Look up research about famines, people tend to die after the famine is over and they get access to food again.
- Some pathogens are likely to benefit from fasting. Every metabolic state is beneficial for certain microbes. Monitoring immune function might be ideal but there are no guarantees.
 
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