I think American women across the board have an entitlement mentality.It's really sad and it has only gotten worse with the advent of all the instant gratification social media.It makes my blood boil when I see average women at best walk around with their nose in the air.I think Im about to start travelin' the world myself.Im hearing from WAAAAAAY to many people that western culture is fucked up and that once you experience women abroad you never wanna date an American girl again.
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I was going to post this also, a girl I know found the link and shared it with me. The comments are fucking pathetic, without reading what other posters have written, I just know you guys are laughing at how low level they all are. And on an MMA forum too. Jesus.....
edit; paying for sex is one of the worst things you can ever do for you inner game/self esteem. A girl is sleeping with you as her part of a transaction, not for any real affection or even kind of liking you. If you do this, a little piece of you dies.
edit; paying for sex is one of the worst things you can ever do for you inner game/self esteem. A girl is sleeping with you as her part of a transaction, not for any real affection or even kind of liking you. If you do this, a little piece of you dies.
Fisto said:
The guy at the AMA would say, "Why do you need to have a woman validate your worth by sleeping with you? Who cares if a woman likes you if you get what you want (sex) out of it?"
If a man's self-worth is wrapped up in whether a woman is having sex for him out of "affection" or "liking," then isn't he giving women far too much power?
I was very anti-p4p until reading that thread.
You're a smart guy. I'd encourage you to read the thread. The guy who started it is very rational about everything and lays out a great case.
MikeCF said:
I read it and I would ask him "Do you feel good about yourself when you are dishonest? Do you feel good about yourself when you don't do something you know you should? Do you feel good about yourself when you blame someone else for something even if no one finds out?"
Those things are independent of outsiders opinion of you. Fucking a girl because you paid her doesn't matter to the girl, but it should matter to a man that wants to master himself and grow.
He can say that all he wants, but if I looked into the dull listless eyes of some whore laying under me pretending to enjoy sex so that I'll cum soon and she can get to the next john I'd feel terrible about myself, and that's from an internal point of view independent from any external opinion.
Fisto said:
He pays with money. You pay with time spent in the gym, time spent seducing a woman, time spent out where nothing happens (sunk costs that have to be factored in to the "cost" of a bang), time spent exchanging game times/learning game, a bar tab here and there.
I don't do p4p and never have, but the man makes solid points and he completely changed my view on the subject.
Everyone pays. It's just a question of the currency you're using and the cost.
MikeCF said:
Everyone pays, one is on the part of a monetary transaction.
The other is because you're a man of skill that doesn't have to with money and her seduction happens because you're a man of value that she wants to sleep with. She's giving herself to you.
All this cost per bang bullshit, "factor in how much you spend on a girl with dinner and drinks or just pay her a hundred"
There is much more at stake than someone's money, there's your inner sense of worth. I think of it as having some damn integrity.
I've paid before and I wish I never did because MY sense of value was lowered.
I'm not hating on the guy, if he's happy doing that great, that's his business.
But I do LOOK DOWN on someone that does that.
What's more rewarding? Conquering a mountain or walking up a little mole hill?
Sure, you can say "American women aren't worth conquering"
And most of the time I'd agree, but wherever he's going the women most certainly are.
He pays because he HAS to pay. And I find that route to be the easy way out, and a way that I would never recommend to a friend that wants to get comfortable in his own skin and become what I am calling a Sovereign Alpha.
I've mentioned it in another thread, but I believe a man's happiness is tied to what I believe are 4 dimensions, and he has to do them all in tandem.
Having social interactions that lead to sex is one of them.
I'll have an article introducing the concepts out soon.
The you pay anyway argument isn't recognizing key distinctions.
I have to agree with fisto. I think the dude is legit if he's 70 maybe. Then yeah you likely have to throw in the towel & pay.
When it's a pure transaction you're basically saying "I could never get girl like you". Which explains why so much shit goes down in strip clubs. Being real you're not going to pay to bang a 3/10, hence his obsession to describe the features of these hooks. He could never get them, or so he believes.
If he's happy whatever though.
When it's a pure transaction you're basically saying "I could never get girl like you". Which explains why so much shit goes down in strip clubs. Being real you're not going to pay to bang a 3/10, hence his obsession to describe the features of these hooks. He could never get them, or so he believes.
If he's happy whatever though.
My father has said many times that its safer to pay for sex than to get it for free. There are no attachments, no illusions, and zero hard feelings.
Age and reasoning often go hand in hand. If an older person says something ridiculous, I'll at least file it away for future contemplation.
@Westcoast- he flies in for a week or so. Its not like he lives semi-permanently. He values his solo lifestyle, reading, scubadiving, and doing other stuff he likes. Not my style, but respect for somebody who knows what they wants and enjoys it.
Age and reasoning often go hand in hand. If an older person says something ridiculous, I'll at least file it away for future contemplation.
@Westcoast- he flies in for a week or so. Its not like he lives semi-permanently. He values his solo lifestyle, reading, scubadiving, and doing other stuff he likes. Not my style, but respect for somebody who knows what they wants and enjoys it.
Here's a point the guy made that makes a lot of sense.
If men are pathetic for banging escorts, why do women oppose prostitution?
Women are against escorts because it lowers the price of sex.
If it were culturally normal for a man to bang escorts, why whine and dine women or even learn game?
Women know that disallowing escorts raises their value.
So opposing escorts puts us into a female-centric frame of mind.
"A real man earns sex with a woman." Think about what that presupposes.
Saying, "A real mean earns sex with a woman," suggests that she is worth earning and that we should learn game and take a lot of time to get with women rather than toss them a few dollars and be done with it.
If men are pathetic for banging escorts, why do women oppose prostitution?
Women are against escorts because it lowers the price of sex.
If it were culturally normal for a man to bang escorts, why whine and dine women or even learn game?
Women know that disallowing escorts raises their value.
So opposing escorts puts us into a female-centric frame of mind.
"A real man earns sex with a woman." Think about what that presupposes.
Saying, "A real mean earns sex with a woman," suggests that she is worth earning and that we should learn game and take a lot of time to get with women rather than toss them a few dollars and be done with it.
MikeCF
Who gives a flying fuck what women want or don't want?
I couldn't care less if they approve or disapprove of sex with escorts.
We are talking about the individual repercussions of a man that chooses to pay money directly to a woman for sex rather than use his skills and personal value or status. No one is addressing women's intuitive perception of economics.
You are giving these chicks way too much credit.
Arguing that buying drinks and dinner is paying for sex directly or indirectly and therefore makes it the same thing is ignoring so many distinctions I don't know where to begin. When you pay for sex with money, you also pay for it with your dignity.
Men that are married or men with no game or no balls pay for sex.
Men with game do not.
That's the important lesson here.
You guys are valuing the opinion of a man that simply can't get laid and chooses to fly overseas to PAY prostitutes.
Jesus Christ listen to yourselves.
Who gives a flying fuck what women want or don't want?
I couldn't care less if they approve or disapprove of sex with escorts.
We are talking about the individual repercussions of a man that chooses to pay money directly to a woman for sex rather than use his skills and personal value or status. No one is addressing women's intuitive perception of economics.
You are giving these chicks way too much credit.
Arguing that buying drinks and dinner is paying for sex directly or indirectly and therefore makes it the same thing is ignoring so many distinctions I don't know where to begin. When you pay for sex with money, you also pay for it with your dignity.
Men that are married or men with no game or no balls pay for sex.
Men with game do not.
That's the important lesson here.
You guys are valuing the opinion of a man that simply can't get laid and chooses to fly overseas to PAY prostitutes.
Jesus Christ listen to yourselves.
This is a case of getting some guys attempt at validating the easy way into sex.
^ You haven't addressed any of his arguments.
Agree or not, I'm not a pimp and do not profit if you change your mind. And I don't do p4p, so not looking for people to validate my lifestyle, either.
But you haven't actually responded to the arguments. You've just made it clear you look down on him.
Which is cool. You can think what you want. But that's just your subjective view. It's not really a refutation of anything he wrote.
Agree or not, I'm not a pimp and do not profit if you change your mind. And I don't do p4p, so not looking for people to validate my lifestyle, either.
But you haven't actually responded to the arguments. You've just made it clear you look down on him.
Which is cool. You can think what you want. But that's just your subjective view. It's not really a refutation of anything he wrote.
You just described the Dominican Republic. Hoez everywhere, pussy dirt cheap, price brought down to a 4 dollar cab ride and beer by said hoezzz.MikeCF said:
I tried to make a thread about this but too retarded to explain but it's what's going to happen here if the economy gets worse.
We need more hot hookers here in the US and the poon rate would drop to the sub 30 dollar mark not this 500hh ask about my two girl special shit on backpage.
You will see this if we have another housing bubble I think.
I know successfull players who turned to P4P because they were fed up with all the bullshit.
The only reason why you would prefer to pay with your time/energy/game and look down on guys who pay with money is because your ego is tied up in it. "I am better than he is because he has to pay for it".
No Mike, I dismiss his arguments as not really addressing the issue.
Women's opinion of escorts? Who gives a shit?
I would bang a girl with or without the presences of escorts. You really think they walk around hating escorts because it lowers how many drinks or dinners they will get? Come on.
And we can easily say "a real man tricks women into having sex" and now we no longer use the word "earn", which is just his sneaky way of more validating having sex with prostitutes
We can say "a real man MAKES a woman want to have sex with him" now we also no longer use the word "earn.
"Seduces" a woman with skill
Have you ever fucked a girl without paying drinks or dinner? I have. Has this guy? Which would you choose?
A "real" man has women WANTING to fuck him because they recognize his superior value.
I could go on and on, framing the decision to pay for sex in the context of using the word "earn" is just more rationalizing.
Women's opinion of escorts? Who gives a shit?
I would bang a girl with or without the presences of escorts. You really think they walk around hating escorts because it lowers how many drinks or dinners they will get? Come on.
And we can easily say "a real man tricks women into having sex" and now we no longer use the word "earn", which is just his sneaky way of more validating having sex with prostitutes
We can say "a real man MAKES a woman want to have sex with him" now we also no longer use the word "earn.
"Seduces" a woman with skill
Have you ever fucked a girl without paying drinks or dinner? I have. Has this guy? Which would you choose?
A "real" man has women WANTING to fuck him because they recognize his superior value.
I could go on and on, framing the decision to pay for sex in the context of using the word "earn" is just more rationalizing.
It's an interesting topic to debate. I mean high end guys like spitzer had high end escort services. So it's not like that dude was forced to pay for sex.
He could have banged chicks with his high status positon for sure.
This just circles back to the same issue of self confidence and I still agree with fisto that banging nothing but prostitues likely signals a low self-esteemed man (unless you're real old).
Overall, it seems, having P4P as legal seems to improve the quality of regular women though. Cheap P4P countries have regular women who offer more than just sex because they know the guys can go and pay for it for a measly $20.
He could have banged chicks with his high status positon for sure.
This just circles back to the same issue of self confidence and I still agree with fisto that banging nothing but prostitues likely signals a low self-esteemed man (unless you're real old).
Overall, it seems, having P4P as legal seems to improve the quality of regular women though. Cheap P4P countries have regular women who offer more than just sex because they know the guys can go and pay for it for a measly $20.
w00t said:
You're goddamn right.
Because one takes effort, work, and skill. The other takes money and your dignity.
WestCoast said:
Let me give you guys a different point of reference, I'm not so sure guys like Spitzer CAN bang women with his status.
I'm pretty sure I read and article posted here about a prostitute that claimed to make a million a year servicing silicon valley geeks that were rich as hell.
I remember her distinctly telling how these guys would ask her for advice on how to get girls. She said one guy asked "do you think I should get a puppy?" after he pulled up in a ferrari.
Sure but there are other examples spitzer aside who are high value and could bang girls but then just decide to pay to forego the whole relationship aspect.
Charlie sheen could be used as an example, also have worked with guys who simply use escorts to bang on the side to avoid ruining their marriage etc.
So I'm sticking with my same response that it's fine for dudes who are damn near about to die, because wtf else are u gonna do if you're old and ugly? But for young guys that has to be a confidence killer.
I'm a realistic guy, at 70 no 18 year old is gonna want to bang me. But beyond that I got too much self esteem to pay up for sex.
Charlie sheen could be used as an example, also have worked with guys who simply use escorts to bang on the side to avoid ruining their marriage etc.
So I'm sticking with my same response that it's fine for dudes who are damn near about to die, because wtf else are u gonna do if you're old and ugly? But for young guys that has to be a confidence killer.
I'm a realistic guy, at 70 no 18 year old is gonna want to bang me. But beyond that I got too much self esteem to pay up for sex.
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