Kingsley Davis said:
agreed. I would have killed for a badass name like that.
12-year-old Male Cheerleader Commits Suicide After Being Bullied
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agreed. I would have killed for a badass name like that.
AntiTrace
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first off, its absolutely disgusting that a 12yo boy or girl commits suicide.
the problem is that popular culture mislabels the real problems. This article is meant to provoke anti-bullying rage, as if the bullies are the problem.
The problem is not bullies. Bullies are part of growing up, kids make fun of each other as they try to figure themselves out and their path in life. It's a symptom of immaturity, raging hormones, and the desperate need to fit in.
School systems, popular culture, and parents are to blame.
School systems coddle children and make them feel bad about their innate human desires and needs.
Popular culture wants everyone to get along, and forces male children into traditionally females roles and shames their testosterone fueled desires.
Parents buy into popular culture and are weak simps, they have to fit in with other parents.
No one wants to stir the pot, and if you don't stir the pot you get a real shitty soup.
I remember seeing a picture posted recently about a class that had all the boys talk about what they didn't like about being boys. Not only does that have an overriding negative atmosphere, it forces the male children in the said class to doubt themselves and be ashamed of themselves. I mean, when a teacher asks, what is bad about being a boy, you can only possibly focus on the negatives. Otherwise saying, Im proud of being a boy (considering they tell the female children to be proud of being females) is going to bring negative feedback from the teachers, staff, and other indoctrinated boys.
Adolscent boys need a strong masculine leader in their lives. A man that is willing to teach the boy how to fight, how to deal with girls, how to deal with bullies, how to deal with the bullshit of childhood heartbreak, and how to navigate the utterly confusing teenage years.
It such a mindfuck when you think about it. The majority of problems facing young boys can easily be fixed with encouraging masculinity, but they are rallied against to deny their masculine desires. The system is confusing adolescent boys at the most confusing points in their lives, no wonder shit goes wrong.
As a childless adult, I can only observe and speculate what I do if I was in the shoes of other parents around me. But what I do observe, is that the male parents that agree with my views and are generally pro-masculinity (certain red pill beliefs) have children that are doing very well in life. The ones that don't, the die hard blue pill guys, have misguided, unconfident, and generally confused children.
I guess alpha raise alphas, and betas raise betas. When popular culture shames alpha behavior and promotes beta behavior, it furthers problems. My dad was a good father, generally beta but with some alpha streaks. He didn't do much to promote masculinity in the forms of picking up girls, working out, and fighting, but he sure as hell would have stopped me joining a cheerleader squad.
Parents need to quit looking elsewhere for blame, and look inwards. Kids will always fuck up and make horribly stupid mistakes, but kids with strong willed parents are far more likely to succeed and live happy lives.
I promote bullying, because in the current generation of everyone getting a trophy just for showing up to the game its the only way to encourage real competition. The problem is that some kids know how to bully, and the others are taught its bad as opposed to being taught how to deal with. Punch that bully right in the fucking face, I dont care how small you are and how big he is. You may get your ass beat, but the next time he pops off at the mouth, you punch him right in the fucking face again. You may get your ass beat for a second time, but soon enough youre gonna get good enough at fighting and that bully is going to find an easier target, probably that boy on the cheerleading team.
the problem is that popular culture mislabels the real problems. This article is meant to provoke anti-bullying rage, as if the bullies are the problem.
The problem is not bullies. Bullies are part of growing up, kids make fun of each other as they try to figure themselves out and their path in life. It's a symptom of immaturity, raging hormones, and the desperate need to fit in.
School systems, popular culture, and parents are to blame.
School systems coddle children and make them feel bad about their innate human desires and needs.
Popular culture wants everyone to get along, and forces male children into traditionally females roles and shames their testosterone fueled desires.
Parents buy into popular culture and are weak simps, they have to fit in with other parents.
No one wants to stir the pot, and if you don't stir the pot you get a real shitty soup.
I remember seeing a picture posted recently about a class that had all the boys talk about what they didn't like about being boys. Not only does that have an overriding negative atmosphere, it forces the male children in the said class to doubt themselves and be ashamed of themselves. I mean, when a teacher asks, what is bad about being a boy, you can only possibly focus on the negatives. Otherwise saying, Im proud of being a boy (considering they tell the female children to be proud of being females) is going to bring negative feedback from the teachers, staff, and other indoctrinated boys.
Adolscent boys need a strong masculine leader in their lives. A man that is willing to teach the boy how to fight, how to deal with girls, how to deal with bullies, how to deal with the bullshit of childhood heartbreak, and how to navigate the utterly confusing teenage years.
It such a mindfuck when you think about it. The majority of problems facing young boys can easily be fixed with encouraging masculinity, but they are rallied against to deny their masculine desires. The system is confusing adolescent boys at the most confusing points in their lives, no wonder shit goes wrong.
As a childless adult, I can only observe and speculate what I do if I was in the shoes of other parents around me. But what I do observe, is that the male parents that agree with my views and are generally pro-masculinity (certain red pill beliefs) have children that are doing very well in life. The ones that don't, the die hard blue pill guys, have misguided, unconfident, and generally confused children.
I guess alpha raise alphas, and betas raise betas. When popular culture shames alpha behavior and promotes beta behavior, it furthers problems. My dad was a good father, generally beta but with some alpha streaks. He didn't do much to promote masculinity in the forms of picking up girls, working out, and fighting, but he sure as hell would have stopped me joining a cheerleader squad.
Parents need to quit looking elsewhere for blame, and look inwards. Kids will always fuck up and make horribly stupid mistakes, but kids with strong willed parents are far more likely to succeed and live happy lives.
I promote bullying, because in the current generation of everyone getting a trophy just for showing up to the game its the only way to encourage real competition. The problem is that some kids know how to bully, and the others are taught its bad as opposed to being taught how to deal with. Punch that bully right in the fucking face, I dont care how small you are and how big he is. You may get your ass beat, but the next time he pops off at the mouth, you punch him right in the fucking face again. You may get your ass beat for a second time, but soon enough youre gonna get good enough at fighting and that bully is going to find an easier target, probably that boy on the cheerleading team.
Checkmat
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AntiTrace said:
As a kid with a beta father and being Jewish in a mostly white, country town, I was bullied a lot growing up. I would also get into fights a lot and honestly contributed to a lot of the bullying I received. I was a ripe, RIPE target for a lot of reasons. But I don't think any of that was the big problem. As we've all said already, bullying will always exist.
The problem was that my dad never gave me any guidance on this stuff. At least not that I can remember. I do remember being verbally scolded for fighting frequently. Behavioral problems and stuff like that...But my dad was a soft guy.
He was also a doctor so when I wanted to start boxing at the local gym, he axed that idea real quick. I wrestled for a couple of months in middle school but got bullied on the team as the worst wrestler and told my dad I wanted to quit, so he let me quit. I also quit every single sport I tried growing up---soccer, basketball, ice hockey, and wrestling. Quitting was like second nature to me.
I don't mean to make this a big POOR ME post but I just wanted to add my 2 cents that your dad can make or break you as a boy and eventually into a man.
All throughout growing up I felt like a small raft awash at sea in the middle of an angry storm. I didn't know where I was going, I felt out of control and constantly hammered from all angles.
A dad needs to be like a strong sail to guide you through the storm that is adolescence.
Ref the boy cheerleader who killed himself, I feel like the dad's response should have been something like, "Okay, you want to be on the cheerleading squad? You're going to get resistance from a lot of people on this. If you're going to do it, fucking OWN it and do it 100%. Don't let anyone shake your resolve. I'm not going to stop you from doing this but just know it's going to be very, very difficult."
The problem isn't bullies. It's female teachers.
With male teachers, kid-bullies represent a challenge to the man's authority and to his control of the classroom. In the old days (when there were men in classrooms) they wouldn't allow it they'd find a way for the boys to fight fair and work it out.
But women view male violence differently. They get off on it and respect brute force, even (or especially) when such force takes the form of outright cruelty. So they side with bullies. This is how bullying culture has evolved.
You know that woman you were after in the bar who left with the thug instead? Well, the next day she went to work in her classroom and had to mediate a fight between kids. Who do you think she sided with -- the wimp or the mini-thug? And this goes double for those useless guidance counselors or "mediators."
Women>violent men = men>models.
It's unnatural and arguably unethical to place rambunctious boys under the care of women other than their mother. A perverse, twisted culture develops. This is an example of the culture.
With male teachers, kid-bullies represent a challenge to the man's authority and to his control of the classroom. In the old days (when there were men in classrooms) they wouldn't allow it they'd find a way for the boys to fight fair and work it out.
But women view male violence differently. They get off on it and respect brute force, even (or especially) when such force takes the form of outright cruelty. So they side with bullies. This is how bullying culture has evolved.
You know that woman you were after in the bar who left with the thug instead? Well, the next day she went to work in her classroom and had to mediate a fight between kids. Who do you think she sided with -- the wimp or the mini-thug? And this goes double for those useless guidance counselors or "mediators."
Women>violent men = men>models.
It's unnatural and arguably unethical to place rambunctious boys under the care of women other than their mother. A perverse, twisted culture develops. This is an example of the culture.
Checkmat said:
I realize how lucky I was growing up. After my first bully incident my Dad said "Doc Howard, you can't start fights but if someone comes after you, you can hit them back. Even if you get suspended from school for it, you won't get in trouble at home" That was my self defense green light.
I had to beat the piss out of a new bully almost every year up through high school. I was always the new kid who though he would make a name for himself off of my back.
TheWastelander
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My dad and my older brother told me to punch a few bullies' lights out, so I did. Still, I feel like that wasn't adequate enough advice on how to deal with them. Not only do you need to fight them, you need to have a solid group who's got your back and be part of a team. I never played many sports growing up and looking back, I regret it. My social life suffered because of it. I wasn't bullied but adopting the same view on socializing with others as my inadvertently antisocial father and explicitly antisocial brother did didn't do me any favors.
Anyway, if I have a son one day I'll drop some rare Mark Fuhrman wisdom on him:
"You learn that when somebody pushes, if you can't beat 'em face on, you sneak up behind 'em and just grab 'em by the hair and keep punchin' em' until they go down. I learned that a long time ago, and when I went into the service it's the same thing. I only go so far, and they teach you, you don't have to go. No, you don't have to let anybody push you. Somebody touches you, you just knock 'em down. I mean, that's all there is to it."
Boys need to be taught that shit. Bullies can't be allowed to have any sense of security. If a big bully is picking on a smaller kid and that smaller kid doesn't think he can beat him head on, he needs to ambush that motherfucker and hurt him bad.
Anyway, if I have a son one day I'll drop some rare Mark Fuhrman wisdom on him:
"You learn that when somebody pushes, if you can't beat 'em face on, you sneak up behind 'em and just grab 'em by the hair and keep punchin' em' until they go down. I learned that a long time ago, and when I went into the service it's the same thing. I only go so far, and they teach you, you don't have to go. No, you don't have to let anybody push you. Somebody touches you, you just knock 'em down. I mean, that's all there is to it."
Boys need to be taught that shit. Bullies can't be allowed to have any sense of security. If a big bully is picking on a smaller kid and that smaller kid doesn't think he can beat him head on, he needs to ambush that motherfucker and hurt him bad.
JoyStick said:
But that's the issue...if the boy doesn't have a male role model and bullying exists, what's he to do?
At 12 years old he's too young to develop the coping mechanisms to deal with bullying on his own. He doesn't have a male role model to teach him. The school doesn't teach him. What's the answer?
Deuce Anna Half
Woodpecker
Dr. Howard said:
Goes to show the parents fucked up a long time ago. Naming your kid "Ronin" is like naming him "Tank" or "Thor", he NEEDS to be a badass. I'd have him doing martial arts by the time he could walk.
What pisses me off is that in the 90s, my parents couldn't get the school to do shit to stop kids bullying and beating me up (and I wasn't even a cheerleader just a tech geek in an age where tech was shitty and primitive), so hence I have permenent scars from it. Thank God I got put into a private school before the damage went to suicide.
JoyStick said:
I'm with you, I was bullied relentlessly as a kid for being fat. I took care of it by swinging my fists. Yes I lost a few fights here and there but I slowly gained respect of the group. Bullies feed off of an easy fight.
I do not remember it, but my mom says when I was very little I once tried to put on her high heeled shoes. She beat the crap out of me and I never did it again. I'm glad she did that.
I don't know if we should actively encourage bullying, because that is not necessarily a good thing when guys grow up and need to work a job. Police officers are bad enough, we probably do not need to add to that. Bullies turned me into a martial arts maniac at a very young age because I was too nerdy and spoke correct English. While it did give me alot of discipline, I think it was attainable without the harsh environment I came out of. I grew up with more paranoia than I needed to have and developed a nasty habit of being a guy that hit back first instead of using social skills to deescalate stuff instead.
In many ways I am lucky to be alive. The first time I had to learn how to deescalate a mess, was the first time a bully dope dealer pulled a pistol out on me. I would have disarmed him and beaten him within an inch of his life, but I remembered he had a gang that would shoot me later in the week. The 90's were rough depending upon where you are from. There is a reason some of this anti-bully stuff came about. Unfortunately, the SJWs and victim crowd own that platform.
I know everyone wants guys to be tough instead of pussyfied, but we should be careful what we ask for. One extreme is usually never better than the other.
I don't know if we should actively encourage bullying, because that is not necessarily a good thing when guys grow up and need to work a job. Police officers are bad enough, we probably do not need to add to that. Bullies turned me into a martial arts maniac at a very young age because I was too nerdy and spoke correct English. While it did give me alot of discipline, I think it was attainable without the harsh environment I came out of. I grew up with more paranoia than I needed to have and developed a nasty habit of being a guy that hit back first instead of using social skills to deescalate stuff instead.
In many ways I am lucky to be alive. The first time I had to learn how to deescalate a mess, was the first time a bully dope dealer pulled a pistol out on me. I would have disarmed him and beaten him within an inch of his life, but I remembered he had a gang that would shoot me later in the week. The 90's were rough depending upon where you are from. There is a reason some of this anti-bully stuff came about. Unfortunately, the SJWs and victim crowd own that platform.
I know everyone wants guys to be tough instead of pussyfied, but we should be careful what we ask for. One extreme is usually never better than the other.
If that kid could have held on through high school as the only male cheerleader, he could have written a college application essay that would definitely set him apart from the pack.
I wouldn't be surprised if this quirk-advantage had crossed his parents' minds, in an era of $40K preschools.
I wouldn't be surprised if this quirk-advantage had crossed his parents' minds, in an era of $40K preschools.
In a rotten situation like this, there's a lot of unknown variables.
For example, we don't know if the kid voluntarily chose to join the cheerleading squad or if it was something he was coerced into doing.
We don't know if he was consciously aware of the fact that his being surrounded by girls would improve his prospects when they dropped and he became sexually active.
We don't know the extent of the parenting techniques used on him, whether they were psychologically pervasive or direct orders.
Using evidenced extrapolation its reasonable to assume that had he would be grown up emasculated and guilt-ridden for being a 'cis-gendered heterosexual male.'
Just what the world needs more of.
But any way you slice it, it's just a damn shame.
For example, we don't know if the kid voluntarily chose to join the cheerleading squad or if it was something he was coerced into doing.
We don't know if he was consciously aware of the fact that his being surrounded by girls would improve his prospects when they dropped and he became sexually active.
We don't know the extent of the parenting techniques used on him, whether they were psychologically pervasive or direct orders.
Using evidenced extrapolation its reasonable to assume that had he would be grown up emasculated and guilt-ridden for being a 'cis-gendered heterosexual male.'
Just what the world needs more of.
But any way you slice it, it's just a damn shame.
TravelerKai said:
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Now we have garbage like drag high heel races :sick:^^^
You're right though, the 1990s were rough (I grew up in Baltimore and its Mayberry now compared to what it was then), but I miss that decade dearly compared to the 2010s. I got into countless of fights over being bullied back in middle school, and got a slap on the wrist each time. Now I'm surprised that they won't expel the kids for good over a fight these days. Even with a Democrat in office for the majority of that time, you didn't have as much of the SJW bullcrap back then that you did now. You had a man in the White House who loved chasing ladies more than "protecting" them. Gays, transsexuals, and men fulfilling taking on female roles are now seen as "heroes" while straight men are "rapists".
Rape in those days was a grave crime. Now it can be a tap on the shoulder.
puckerman
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Fortis said:
During my junior year in high school. we actually had some male cheerleaders. I thought of them as "gay" and worse. This was 1988.
Looking back now, you better fucking believe I wish I would have done it. I have always had a major cheerleader fetish.
You're doing something athletic. You show your strength. You lift girls up over your head. You have to touch these girls a lot, and lots of touch leads to sex. What could be more manly than that?
I would certainly allow my son to be a male cheerleader on the grounds that he is getting everything he wants physically from them. I might even tell him: "You can be a cheerleader, Son, as long as you getting at least one blow a week."
puckerman said:
Man, I'm not so sure. Everyone is talking about this as though 12 year old boys think that deeply and would say, "oh man, look at how strong that cheerleader boy is!"
The second a 12 year old sees another boy with pom poms it's a rap as far as that kid's reputation goes. Yes, for the love of god, college age male cheerleaders get a lot of pussy. I am not denying that, but a 12 year old boy who is a cheerleader is going to get viewed as suspect, unless he's way bigger and stronger than his peers, but if that were the case, he would probably be coerced into basketball, football, wrestling, or another socially accepted masculine sport. The only somewhat girly sport a 12 year old could participate in and keep a solid reputation is probably gymnastics, just because those dudes have strong upper bodies and could probably rock most kids in a fight.
It is dangerous to allow a 12 year old to become a cheerleader, because his peers will not like it. Even in this day and age when boys are more pussified than ever, there are still boys who will go to town on a perceptibly "weak" boy.
Objectively, I have nothing against male cheerleaders, but I wouldn't tell a guy, "Oh yeah, everyone will totally be fine with your 12 year old son doing cheer." That would be a huge lie and that kid will most likely suffer social ostracism and a few other nasty things.
I think his parents should have seen this coming.
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