14 people killed during Batman premiere
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worldwidetraveler said:
American in Europe, I generally like your posts, but the race stuff in this thread is uncalled for. And your facts are wrong anyway, black dudes do rape, and in a higher propotion than other races. South Africa is the rape capitol of the world.
One look at that kid and the first thing that pops in my head is "Nuttier than a sack of rabid weasels." I mean look at his fucking eyes, he's a real life Joker.
When things like these happen, we as humans try to rationalize it or make sense of it. But in a sense, it's like when we try to rationalize female behavior. The same could be said for this delusional fuck. There simply is no easy answer, no finger pointing, no meaning at all. There never is. You can talk about motive, or gun control, or social conditioning, or the negative effect of videogames. There are simply too many factors to explain how something like this happens. Unfortunately, there's no way to prevent it either. Some crazy fuck will always slip through the cracks, doesn't matter how tight our internet security is, doesn't matter how many drones are flying overhead, doesn't matter what our national security budget is or the size of our police force.
My personal belief is that there have always been humans with a screw loose. In smaller, tight knit communities, even on the primitive or aboriginal level, these guys would've been expelled from the tribe to go live with the wolves. In our modern crazy overpopulated world, they simply hide out and isolate themselves in some bomb-rigged apartment, spiraling deeper and deeper into their own madness, until one day they completely lose all sense of reality, compassion, or logical thought, and wind up on the evening news. It's simply a fact of life that we will have to bear in the modern age. There's no preventing it or stopping it.
When things like these happen, we as humans try to rationalize it or make sense of it. But in a sense, it's like when we try to rationalize female behavior. The same could be said for this delusional fuck. There simply is no easy answer, no finger pointing, no meaning at all. There never is. You can talk about motive, or gun control, or social conditioning, or the negative effect of videogames. There are simply too many factors to explain how something like this happens. Unfortunately, there's no way to prevent it either. Some crazy fuck will always slip through the cracks, doesn't matter how tight our internet security is, doesn't matter how many drones are flying overhead, doesn't matter what our national security budget is or the size of our police force.
My personal belief is that there have always been humans with a screw loose. In smaller, tight knit communities, even on the primitive or aboriginal level, these guys would've been expelled from the tribe to go live with the wolves. In our modern crazy overpopulated world, they simply hide out and isolate themselves in some bomb-rigged apartment, spiraling deeper and deeper into their own madness, until one day they completely lose all sense of reality, compassion, or logical thought, and wind up on the evening news. It's simply a fact of life that we will have to bear in the modern age. There's no preventing it or stopping it.
Thedude, the gun accessibility just gives these borderline cats the opportunity to wet multiple cats for no reason. I like Batman. Imagine I am there watching it with some friends and some sick fcuk comes and sprays the place. The gang bangers, it goes hand in hand regarding the goon game but for civvies, it seems unfair. Imagine you are in there with your innocent son or daughter and this deprived maggot starts lighting the place up..?
Moma said:
or... imagine everyone in the theater had a gun and could protect themselves.
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data. Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories to suit facts."--Sherlock Holmes
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment."--Sherlock Holmes
"It is a capital mistake to theorize in advance of the facts."--Sherlock Holmes
"It is a capital mistake to theorize before you have all the evidence. It biases the judgment."--Sherlock Holmes
"It is a capital mistake to theorize in advance of the facts."--Sherlock Holmes
Worldwide I have lived in multiple heavily populated countries and I don't hear of the same mass slaughters happening like they do in the US to the same frequency. What is the common denominator?
How many group killings have I heard of now? Imagine if this clown had a machete? How many lives would he take before the crowd stomp him to death as opposed to his firearm.
How many chops a minute with machete or switchblade compared to the amount of rounds discharged by the semi?
How many group killings have I heard of now? Imagine if this clown had a machete? How many lives would he take before the crowd stomp him to death as opposed to his firearm.
How many chops a minute with machete or switchblade compared to the amount of rounds discharged by the semi?
Moma said:
This stuff does happen in different countries. You are not trying to say that it happens more here because of guns?
For example:
Philippines, a cop that got fired tries to blow up a tour bus full of Koreans.
Dutch man decided to go on shooting spree because of immigration.
So machetes are ok but guns are not because they can't kill as many people?
What if they build a bomb out of cleaning supplies? Should we stop selling cleaning supplies.
Believe me Moma, it's incredibly fucked up. I was just taking a shit and thinking about this whole thing on a deeper level.
This event is going to flare up the gun control controversies again. To me, this has nothing to do with the conversation. You can draw comparisons to other countries that have stronger or more lenient gun laws; these comparisons will prove nothing. NRA dudes will argue, "The best protection against tyranny is a heavily armed populace." This cat rolled into the theater in full riot body armor, with explosive gas cannisters, an AR15, two glocks, and a shotgun. You think some civilian who goes to the shooting range once a month with his 9mm would've done anything to this madman?
Liberals will argue that we need stricter gun control. Simply not gonna happen.
There will be pundits on both sidelines offering useless answers to keep the population satisfied until the conversation dies down and the media will report some new tragedy to keep us occupied.
To start understanding the problem, we have to admit some things. We are an incredibly violent country, especially for one that thinks it's the greatest country on Earth. Especially for the supposed "Leader of the Free World."
We have the highest prison population IN THE WORLD.
We have the 5th highest rate of capital punishment in the world, behind China, Iran, North Korea, and Yemen (2010 stats).
The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the world.
The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children younger than 15 years of age is nearly 12 times higher than among children in 25 other industrialized countries combined.
The United States has the highest rate of youth homicides and suicides among the 26 wealthiest nations.
These are just quick facts I googled, stats from 1998 or so. I'm no expert on the subject. But with an open mind and ability to reason, I can simply deduce:
We are an incredibly violent country. You can threaten your populace with death and incarceration and it doesn't make a difference. You cannot sway or influence your populace with retribution or punishment. The root cause must be cultural. We have to look at our educational, social, religious, economic, and political environments and take a REALLY good look about our lifestyle and why it produces such violent outbursts across the board.
While the pundits are talking about gun control, videogames, and security, noone really talks about culture, except for a few passing mentions of violence in movies.
I don't have any answers, I don't think there are any, but if anyone TRULY has a vested interest in preventing this violence in the future, we need to start addressing our culture and get this conversation started. I personally don't see it happening.
This event is going to flare up the gun control controversies again. To me, this has nothing to do with the conversation. You can draw comparisons to other countries that have stronger or more lenient gun laws; these comparisons will prove nothing. NRA dudes will argue, "The best protection against tyranny is a heavily armed populace." This cat rolled into the theater in full riot body armor, with explosive gas cannisters, an AR15, two glocks, and a shotgun. You think some civilian who goes to the shooting range once a month with his 9mm would've done anything to this madman?
Liberals will argue that we need stricter gun control. Simply not gonna happen.
There will be pundits on both sidelines offering useless answers to keep the population satisfied until the conversation dies down and the media will report some new tragedy to keep us occupied.
To start understanding the problem, we have to admit some things. We are an incredibly violent country, especially for one that thinks it's the greatest country on Earth. Especially for the supposed "Leader of the Free World."
We have the highest prison population IN THE WORLD.
We have the 5th highest rate of capital punishment in the world, behind China, Iran, North Korea, and Yemen (2010 stats).
The rate of death from firearms in the United States is eight times higher than that in its economic counterparts in other parts of the world.
The overall firearm-related death rate among U.S. children younger than 15 years of age is nearly 12 times higher than among children in 25 other industrialized countries combined.
The United States has the highest rate of youth homicides and suicides among the 26 wealthiest nations.
These are just quick facts I googled, stats from 1998 or so. I'm no expert on the subject. But with an open mind and ability to reason, I can simply deduce:
We are an incredibly violent country. You can threaten your populace with death and incarceration and it doesn't make a difference. You cannot sway or influence your populace with retribution or punishment. The root cause must be cultural. We have to look at our educational, social, religious, economic, and political environments and take a REALLY good look about our lifestyle and why it produces such violent outbursts across the board.
While the pundits are talking about gun control, videogames, and security, noone really talks about culture, except for a few passing mentions of violence in movies.
I don't have any answers, I don't think there are any, but if anyone TRULY has a vested interest in preventing this violence in the future, we need to start addressing our culture and get this conversation started. I personally don't see it happening.
Moma said:
Everyone defaults to gun control arguments. You could make guns completely illegal tomorrow and that's not going to stop people from acquiring them anymore than you can stop people from getting illegal drugs. Think about that... Drugs have been illegal forever with harsh penalties yet I could get any drug I wanted within 15 minutes. Why would it be any different with guns?
speakeasy said:
Also, if they want to go on a mass killing spree, they will figure out a way with or without guns.
The cops were smart to think that his apartment might be booby trapped, it sounds like he rigged it up pretty good, and could have killed even more people had they not sent in the bomb technicians.
speakeasy said:
I kind of agree with this, but I don't really think it's a fair comparison, because way more people use drugs and on a regular basis then people who want to buy and use guns. You only need so many guns, but a bag of weed or coke will run out fast before you need another one. Not to mention that drugs are addictive which creates a constant demand
Being a pragmatist it's easy to say that guns will always be available in the U.S. because there are already so many of them and such lax gun laws. However, in some countries where they've had tight regulation for years, guns are hard to come by, there is a long and well documented process to obtain one, and to obtain one illegally would require knowing the right people and exposing yourself to a criminal underworld, which most people will never come into contact with.
Moma, you are missing the point of the thread.
Taking away guns won't deal with the underlying issues that make these people do these type of things.
It would be easy to blame guns and gun control. It isn't like these people are magically changing when they get a gun. They are fucked up and something in our culture is making them fucked up.
I don't think enough people are interested in knowing why but would rather mask the problems with drug prescriptions, arguing about gun control or making other unreasonable assumptions.
We have always had guns. This type of behavior wasn't prevalent in the older days. As far as I understand that is. What has changed so much to make people go so crazy?
Taking away guns won't deal with the underlying issues that make these people do these type of things.
It would be easy to blame guns and gun control. It isn't like these people are magically changing when they get a gun. They are fucked up and something in our culture is making them fucked up.
I don't think enough people are interested in knowing why but would rather mask the problems with drug prescriptions, arguing about gun control or making other unreasonable assumptions.
We have always had guns. This type of behavior wasn't prevalent in the older days. As far as I understand that is. What has changed so much to make people go so crazy?
shameus_o'reaaly
Woodpecker
Man the comments on that Washington Post article are depressing. First one I read was blaming the NRA.
Why does the NRA get so much flak after this type of tragedy anyway?
Is an AR-15 even legal to own?
Why does the NRA get so much flak after this type of tragedy anyway?
Is an AR-15 even legal to own?
shameus_o said:
Yeah that's not as bad as the few nut jobs blaming Obama.
shameus_o'reaaly
Woodpecker
worldwidetraveler said:
Population pressure, status frustration, laissez-faire attitude of the public, advertising that exacerbates existing feelings of shortcomings, increasing proportions of individuals with acquired or inherited dispositions to violence?
Some combination of the above, anyway. It's not that people are that different, but there's so many more things to push somebody over their own personal edge, and too many things that remove checks and balances on behaviour like this.
shameus_o'reaaly
Woodpecker
OGNorCal707 said:
Yep, whenever i read news online, i remember why there's freedom of speech: nobody would pay to listen to what the commenters have to say. Makes me long for the days when print and TV ruled and the letters to the editor were chosen for clarity.
What is Obama's stance on guns anyway? I can't remember him ever commenting on shootings
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