2020 South American Expat Thread

ginsu

Woodpecker
Relevant on Chile, they've just had rather significant social unrest and will now re-write their constitution to reflect 'social justice':

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/10/chile-referendum-constitution-recoleta-jadue (note the source and slant of this article)

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/23/americas/chile-constitutional-referendum-intl/index.html

https://en.mercopress.com/2021/01/1...-year-to-rewrite-a-new-constitution-takes-off


My bros, the thing about going to a new country is that you don't really know the situation until you've spent a good bit of time there, and have really done your due diligence.

Latin American countries tend to go in waves -- bloated marxist nonsense and corruption, followed by collapse, followed by dictatorship and reforms, followed by some tolerable years, followed by folding back into marxist nonsense and corruption.

For many decades now, it has not been a reliable place to make money. Many very talented and experienced entrepreneurs have gone there because of fun sexy times, tried to make money, and totally flopped. If you were a conquistador seizing the continent's gold in the 1500-1600s-- different story.

I personally would not recommend Chile at this point. Some great natural scenery for a trip though.
What if you make your money online as an entrepreneur ?, would settling in Latin America look better ?, buying a farm trying to make it relatively self sustainable or is it still only in the category of fun/good time for a certain period. What seems like an advantage to latin am is there are many remote places, the ability to put enough distance between yourself and other populated areas is a clear advantage in the new world we are entering.
 

BoiBoi

Pelican
I lived and worked for about 1 year in Chile and can only repeat myself, don't go there unless you plan on living in the rural parts of Southern Chile. Sure, compared to other Latino countries it is a well functioning state, i.e. corruption is relatively low, the cops are actual cops and overall, rule of law seems to be a thing.
On the flip side you have nasty food, nasty girls and nasty prices. Add the unpleasant weather (big temperature drops throughout the year), heavy pollution and earthquakes...just say no.
I've lived and worked in Mexico, Panama, Uruguay, RD and spent a lot of time in Colombia and Argentina. Chile, by far, is the least appealing country in my book. Again, unless you are some kind of outdoor guy and head south. I can see why this might be an option for some.
 

LoveBug

Kingfisher
I lived and worked for about 1 year in Chile and can only repeat myself, don't go there unless you plan on living in the rural parts of Southern Chile. Sure, compared to other Latino countries it is a well functioning state, i.e. corruption is relatively low, the cops are actual cops and overall, rule of law seems to be a thing.
On the flip side you have nasty food, nasty girls and nasty prices. Add the unpleasant weather (big temperature drops throughout the year), heavy pollution and earthquakes...just say no.
I've lived and worked in Mexico, Panama, Uruguay, RD and spent a lot of time in Colombia and Argentina. Chile, by far, is the least appealing country in my book. Again, unless you are some kind of outdoor guy and head south. I can see why this might be an option for some.

I’ve never been, but that’s probably my least desired on my bucket list

It has the prices of like Uruguay without the culture I’ve heard

I mean, if I’m spending close to North American prices, I’d want to be doing some salsa with beautiful Southern European girls sipping on mate and eating brilliant steaks
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Gold Member
I’ve never been, but that’s probably my least desired on my bucket list

It has the prices of like Uruguay without the culture I’ve heard

I mean, if I’m spending close to North American prices, I’d want to be doing some salsa with beautiful Southern European girls sipping on mate and eating brilliant steaks

The only thing going for Chile that would make it a good place to expat to is if you would be looking to work locally and collect a local salary. If there was more stability, it would be a good place to invest and start a business, But it sounds like with the new constitution even that is slipping away.

Looking for nature and patagonian landscapes, Argentina has better spots than Chile and is cheaper.

A first world standard of living can be found in any LA country if you live in a gated community and the right neighborhood.

It's not really any more stable than any other given country in the region, it has and always had a sizable communist movement

Chile is also being flooded with refugees, specifically from Haiti, venezuela and Bolivia. Moreso than other countries.
 
Greetings gentlemen, how is it going? Last week, an Italian man was detained on the airport and sent back due to a forged PCR test he carried. He tried to bribe the authorities with €50 to no avail. Or that’s what said authorities claim. Some commenters guessed he was being skimmed off after the forgery, but because he was willing to pay only €50 they just denied him entry. I’d recommend keeping that in mind and get proper papers for those willing to come.
Also, the month ended with a downpour that caused a lot of issues, from several streets wrecked and mudslides to a fire by lightning in an alcohol deposit, into the oil yards. We’ll see more of this since the rainy season is not over yet.
 

scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
Diesel dude, make your money back home and spend it abroad, that’s what I do. Unless you run the shop (which requires a lot of capital investment) you’ll never make money on the tools in Latin America.
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Gold Member
Greetings gentlemen, how is it going? Last week, an Italian man was detained on the airport and sent back due to a forged PCR test he carried. He tried to bribe the authorities with €50 to no avail. Or that’s what said authorities claim. Some commenters guessed he was being skimmed off after the forgery, but because he was willing to pay only €50 they just denied him entry. I’d recommend keeping that in mind and get proper papers for those willing to come.
Also, the month ended with a downpour that caused a lot of issues, from several streets wrecked and mudslides to a fire by lightning in an alcohol deposit, into the oil yards. We’ll see more of this since the rainy season is not over yet.

Even though Brazil requires a PCR test, they didn't even ask me for mine, nor the stupid health form that the airline harrased me to do before boarding. I think you would have to do a really botched job to make a fake test that wouldn't pass in most South American countries, i can't imagine most aduana agents care unless they can get a nice propina out of it
 
Even though Brazil requires a PCR test, they didn't even ask me for mine, nor the stupid health form that the airline harrased me to do before boarding. I think you would have to do a really botched job to make a fake test that wouldn't pass in most South American countries, i can't imagine most aduana agents care unless they can get a nice propina out of it

I sort of feel bad for the guy. I suppose that’s what he carried on his pockets or what could gather in a short time. Besides, it’s not like the airport authorities and personnel suddenly grew some sort of integrity, if that was the case I don’t think there would be any need to publish the story with all of the details, in a desperate attempt to earn some credibility after they blew it up last year.

About vaccination cards, it’s only required a yellow fever vaccine certificate if you’re living in Brazil. Nothing about the covid vaccine yet.
 

JoeyB

Chicken
Thinking about heading to Mexico pretty soon, Yucatan specifically. I'll start in Riviera Maya and move my way over to Merida where I'll prob stakeout for a few months. Anybody ever been to Merida and have any info on it? It prob isn't the best place city, but it seems smaller and close to beaches, which is a plus.
 

falafel

Pigeon
How safe is Mexico these days? The US travel advisory is at Level 3, "Reconsider Travel". I've heard stories of murders in PDC. Would love to sit out the plandemic there, but wondering if I should be nervous.
 

phluff127

Sparrow
I spent December and January in Oaxaca and it was very safe. Oaxaca city is very strict with the masks, but mazunte and zipolite were very open. Ideal if you are looking for a "village by the sea"
 

scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
Merida is one of my favourite cities in Mexico, it’s very clean, peaceful and relatively quiet for Mexico. It’s cheap and the downtown is very walkable, the only downside for me is that it’s very hot there.
 

Zoso

Woodpecker
I showed my girlfriend in Ecuador the picture of the new tranny Secretary of Health and her horrified expression tells me all hope may not be lost. South America, gentlemen.

I’ve got a 2 year temp visa and can make it permanent in 2022. Currently bouncing back and forth between Ecuador and USA. Logistics looks to be a looming issue as Grandpa Biden appears to be poised to lock down USA. Heading to my house in USA Saturday to get a feel for the situation.
My mother is a teacher (Perú) and when she is talking about another sexual 'options', it is normal that boys say 'I would shoot gays', with no qualms.

OTOH, the left is in the power and elections are in Abril with 2 or 3 candidates that are crucial to stop globo-homo trend. The socialist-wave is rampant coming from Argentina, Chile and Bolivia. And, of course, Venecos keep coming and coming and the situation looks no so good about them nor us.
 
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Zoso

Woodpecker
Greetings gentlemen, how is it going? Last week, an Italian man was detained on the airport and sent back due to a forged PCR test he carried. He tried to bribe the authorities with €50 to no avail. Or that’s what said authorities claim. Some commenters guessed he was being skimmed off after the forgery, but because he was willing to pay only €50 they just denied him entry. I’d recommend keeping that in mind and get proper papers for those willing to come.
Also, the month ended with a downpour that caused a lot of issues, from several streets wrecked and mudslides to a fire by lightning in an alcohol deposit, into the oil yards. We’ll see more of this since the rainy season is not over yet.
It was not a problem in Perú till yesterday. They were in front of the airport.
False PCR tests in Peru
 

Zoso

Woodpecker
I lived and worked for about 1 year in Chile and can only repeat myself, don't go there unless you plan on living in the rural parts of Southern Chile. Sure, compared to other Latino countries it is a well functioning state, i.e. corruption is relatively low, the cops are actual cops and overall, rule of law seems to be a thing.
On the flip side you have nasty food, nasty girls and nasty prices. Add the unpleasant weather (big temperature drops throughout the year), heavy pollution and earthquakes...just say no.
I've lived and worked in Mexico, Panama, Uruguay, RD and spent a lot of time in Colombia and Argentina. Chile, by far, is the least appealing country in my book. Again, unless you are some kind of outdoor guy and head south. I can see why this might be an option for some.
Yes. And Chile is now the country that has rejected the economic model that made them one of the most prosperous economies in LatAm. It is thanks to the left, of course, that has made its brainwashing very well. They are looking forward with new constitution and then they can forget about free market economy.
 
I’ve been in Mexico for a few years. Traveled to almost every state. I find it safe and haven’t had problems. Traveled to all the “dangerous” states on us state department list of level 5 “do not go”. That is dumb bullshit based on drug war stuff which won’t effect you as a tourist.

I even surfed all the tiny pueblo beaches in Michoacán. You’ll be fine unless you’re a total sore thumb doing dumb stuff like getting drunk and fumbling through your Fanny pack in an alley in tepito.

I actually went to that market weekly when I lived in centro cdmx. Not that dangerous either. Just use your head

My biggest problem with Mexico is the obesity and insular nature of Mexicans. Family is big here and most girls are with them all the time—yet somehow still too fat and too screwed up for a serious relationship.

It’s gotten painful to the point where I’ve given up. Lots of women from broken homes. I stopped dating when 3 in a row were on antidepressants and 5 in a row were cheating on their boyfriend. And that’s not all...

Cheating is super common here. All my golf buddies use semipros and have side girlfriends they pay rent for (usually single moms) Then go home to their wife and family. Many on second and third marriages or with kids from different women

The semi pros are very attractive normal girls who work in salons and have real jobs etc. They supplement their income by charging for sex with the local biz elite. Be careful if you think you have a good girl. She probably isn’t.

I met a 27 year old virgin who wouldn’t meet past dark. “It’s not safe!”. She had more issues than playboy. Broken home, etc. Still wore same clothes as she did at age 12. Nice girl but that’s what happens when you live at home and never grow up.

I’d say about a third of girls suddenly bring up money before the first date, “I didn’t get paid today.” That’s code for give me cash in hand. Paying her taxi won’t get you far. The other third is legit busy and looking to be spoiled by dinners and treats. The other third is scared and will torture you with dumb stuff like if you’re a murderer, then show up at your door drunk.

About 4,000 women were killed in Mexico last year. About 40,000 men were killed. Statistically you’re the one who should be worried. But media has poisoned women. Any female death is a “femicide” not a homicide. The general idea is that men deserved to die for being police or drug cartel. Women are always innocent.

Stay away from UNAM. The feminists closed several campuses and men are now a hunted species. I know other male and female exchange students who couldn’t go to class for most of 2020 because of the protest closures. Total clusterfuck of a Uni.

UNAM was formerly Latams best university (1970s?) and still the biggest. I had a horrible experience there with the foreign language school CEPE. The quality of the teaching is comically bad. Most teachers didn’t even show up for class.

Chronically late teachers missed half the class time. “Sorry traffic is bad.” Or “No class this week because I’m going to see my family in Oaxaca. Practice on your own.”

When Covid hit they crowded us overflowing into the auditorium. Then said don’t worry. Just wash your hands. But the campus has no soap in the bathrooms.

It’s $600/6 weeks. That’s about the standard rate for Spanish lessons around mexico. But Duolingo is free and you will learn more honestly.

Most foreign women in my language school were hideous and/or fat. Pretty much all of them were at the beg packer level. Living on friends couches or saving a few bucks by renting the worst accommodations you could imagine. Then refusing to spend money to do anything. Pretty bad even for friends.

To get a quality girlfriend your best bet is Guadalajara, Monterrey, or CDMX. The tier IIs can be great if you speak fluent Spanish and don’t mind dealing with brain dead women. The kind who can’t find the local Starbucks without a month of handholding and are still upset over their first love dumping them for being dumb and uncaring.

Any girl with anything going for her intellectually or professionally moves to the big 3 cities. An AirBnB room there is $15/night. More for a private apartment. Get a room and look for a local apartment for a better deal.

Then use the great bus system to get around between cities. Consider a room/apartment near the long distance bus station in the big three cities. Makes the travel easier to manage. Usually $15 to the next city.

I came here thinking I’d find a wife and start a family on a ranch near the ocean but have given up on that. Mexico is a soft feminist country. The Mexican girlfriend I had and started my trip with last year was from a broken home and spoiled beyond repair.

Same experience with every girl I’ve met since. Even an Asian from Asia who was living here. She got pumped and dumped by a Latino guy and cried every night. Shame. West ruined her.

I stuck around Mexico to golf and surf since it seemed like the lockdowns were worse everywhere else. The city I’m in never had much closures. I walk around without a mask. I can walk or jog everywhere no issue. Shop local.

Just lonely. All the cool foreigners are over in playa del Carmen. No surf there though. Message if you’ve got questions. I just wrote a book on leaving the USA for good.

I think Latam is poor choice compared to Asia. If you don’t mind fatties with an attitude it’s not so bad. Just don’t come here looking for a marriage or serious relationship.

I’ve met a few evangelical Christian girls. The virgin was one. She hadn’t even been kissed.

There is another devout woman in the cafe I go to. Older 30s professional. She prayed for me once after a comical conversation about relationships.

Basically she said everything is always the mans fault and Mexico is too conservative for a man to ever ask a woman for her telephone number. Not even after months of friendship. Surprise she’s single.
 
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Fisk_

Chicken
I would avoid Chile. Being born and raised there, I witnessed how the country went slowly, then suddenly mad. No respect for the rule of law in the big cities and the political polarization is high. Small towns can be scenic, especially in the south, but services may not be available, especially healthcare. Besides, the cost of living is on par with some European countries. Uruguay is a far better option. Stable, with a more laid back lifestyle than neighboring Argentina.

Another option could be Panama with its Friendly Nations Visa. From what I have read, it is fairly easy to gain residence there.

Just my two cents on the topic.
 
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