2020 South American Expat Thread

Cortés

Woodpecker
Catholic
Gold Member
Disappointed in the results of the Chilean elections, have things really gotten that bad there? It's been probably the best run country in Latin America for a while now, shame to see that come to an end.
Yeah I was disappointed by that too. I liked Chile when I visited, but honestly I wrote it off seeing their vax numbers. The highest vaxxed country in Latin America and even one of the higher in the world.
 

Saxonia

Pigeon
Protestant
Isn’t Chile one of the wealthiest countries in Latin America? Seems to be a pattern down there of Socialism creeping in when things get too comfortable.
Chile is in general and in relation the wealthiest country in Latin America. I lived in there for a few months and spent my holidays over there in October.
That certainly doesn't apply to everyone, but I know some Chilenos who live better with their profession there than they would with the same profession in my country, Germany. However, Chilean society is deeply divided, as you can see in the elections. As is currently the case in many countries all over the world.
 

fortyfive

Woodpecker
Other Christian
Chile is in general and in relation the wealthiest country in Latin America. I lived in there for a few months and spent my holidays over there in October.
That certainly doesn't apply to everyone, but I know some Chilenos who live better with their profession there than they would with the same profession in my country, Germany. However, Chilean society is deeply divided, as you can see in the elections. As is currently the case in many countries all over the world.
Are they are divided also by vaxx? Or based on their high vaxx rate it is something they universally consider as a great thing for health? How is it to be there as a covid vaxx nonbeliever?
 

Revolting Truth

 
Banned
Orthodox
Chile is in general and in relation the wealthiest country in Latin America. I lived in there for a few months and spent my holidays over there in October.
That certainly doesn't apply to everyone, but I know some Chilenos who live better with their profession there than they would with the same profession in my country, Germany. However, Chilean society is deeply divided, as you can see in the elections. As is currently the case in many countries all over the world.
There is some truth in your comment...however, based on my observations (having visited both Germany and Chile) there are tons of really poor people in Chile...And some of the poor neighbourhoods aren't any better (or safer) than the poorer neighborhoods in Argentina or Brazil.
Compared to them, the low-income residents of Germany have reasonably good living standard.
 

Saxonia

Pigeon
Protestant
There is some truth in your comment...however, based on my observations (having visited both Germany and Chile) there are tons of really poor people in Chile...And some of the poor neighbourhoods aren't any better (or safer) than the poorer neighborhoods in Argentina or Brazil.
Compared to them, the low-income residents of Germany have reasonably good living standard.
For sure, it doens't apply to everyone.
In Germany, as an unemployed person, you get an apartment, health insurance, furniture and other things financed or cheaper (train/bus/metro tickets etc.) and 449 € or 507 $ per month as pocket money.
In Chile, or almost everywhere in the world, you have bad cards as an unemployed person, that's why there are a lot of mini shops and stuff like that over there to finance yourself, in Germany there is (almost) none.

However, I know some people (for sure not all) from Chile who, with their professions (physiotherapists, midwives, etc.) live 100% better in Chile than they would in Germany. Maybe they don't earn more gross, but money is relative. Real estate there is very cheap what i have seen and this is a huge factor. Also taxes and duties are low there (until now). Germany is the country with the most taxes of all industrial nations in the world for singles. Of course, Germany is overall superior to Chile, no question about it. I just want to say that you can live well there for Lation conditions.
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Catholic
Gold Member
Where is everyone at in the world? I've been back in Brazil since the new year and no plans to go back home in 2022.

Officially Brazil requires vaccination for foreigners to enter. However, if you read the statement Brazil released about it, they put the burden of checking the vax pass onto the airlines. I decided to take a chance by bypassing checkin and hoping they wouldn't ask for vax proof at the boarding gate. My hunch proved true and I made it! The border agent asked for a negative test result but didn't ask for the vax card. Anyone else have experience on how they are enforcing this crap in other countries? I heard that Chile for example you just check a box saying that you are vaccinated.

On the ground things are so much better than last year. Everything is open, no mark of the beast required. Most people still wear masks but nobody has ever bothered to ask me to put one on.

I'm looking to spend the next few months at least in southern Brazil. Currently I'm in Curitiba and enjoying it so far. I've got a few small motorcycle trips planned from here to scout out some more in this region.

Ill post a bigger update later on, hopefully we can revive this thread
 

Mountaineer

Ostrich
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
However, if you read the statement Brazil released about it, they put the burden of checking the vax pass onto the airlines. I decided to take a chance by bypassing checkin and hoping they wouldn't ask for vax proof at the boarding gate. My hunch proved true and I made it!
Good job. I didn't know you could skip check-in and still board.
 

Going strong

Crow
Trad Catholic
Gold Member
Good job. I didn't know you could skip check-in and still board.
In pre Covid times, you could print your boarding card yourself, and providing you had no checked luggage, proceed to the Gate, without goint to the airline counter.

Now, in most airports, they have cancelled this option. They ask for a little slip of paper proving that you've been to the airline counter, where your health documents have been examined, even though you had no luggage to check.

Unfortunately, the Covid police are not completely stupid.

Regarding South American health passes and QR codes, and on-and-off verification apps, much could be said, though privacy would be more convenient.
 

brimby

Pigeon
Orthodox
Where is everyone at in the world? I've been back in Brazil since the new year and no plans to go back home in 2022.

Officially Brazil requires vaccination for foreigners to enter. However, if you read the statement Brazil released about it, they put the burden of checking the vax pass onto the airlines. I decided to take a chance by bypassing checkin and hoping they wouldn't ask for vax proof at the boarding gate. My hunch proved true and I made it! The border agent asked for a negative test result but didn't ask for the vax card. Anyone else have experience on how they are enforcing this crap in other countries? I heard that Chile for example you just check a box saying that you are vaccinated.

On the ground things are so much better than last year. Everything is open, no mark of the beast required. Most people still wear masks but nobody has ever bothered to ask me to put one on.

I'm looking to spend the next few months at least in southern Brazil. Currently I'm in Curitiba and enjoying it so far. I've got a few small motorcycle trips planned from here to scout out some more in this region.

Ill post a bigger update later on, hopefully we can revive this thread

Well done! Brazil was on my list and 4 days before I went they changed the border rules. Which airline if you don't mind me asking and did you fly from the US? that's quite the risk in losing the money?

I am in Portugal but will be going back to Madrid next week. Madrid has no vax passports and although people wear masks outside many don't and I don't either. Never been bothered by police or anything. I do wear masks indoors but I may try to change that.

I would like to try Brazil. How is the restrictions in country?
 

Cortés

Woodpecker
Catholic
Gold Member
In pre Covid times, you could print your boarding card yourself, and providing you had no checked luggage, proceed to the Gate, without goint to the airline counter.

Now, in most airports, they have cancelled this option. They ask for a little slip of paper proving that you've been to the airline counter, where your health documents have been examined, even though you had no luggage to check.

Unfortunately, the Covid police are not completely stupid.

Regarding South American health passes and QR codes, and on-and-off verification apps, much could be said, though privacy would be more convenient.
Wasn't aware that some airports and airlines aren't letting you checkin like that anymore. I departed from a major us airport and checked in the night before as usual. If this is the case, id imagine it comes down to the airline if there isn't a domestic travel ban like in Canada.
Just indoors?
There is pretty high compliance indoors, and most people have them on. But you see a lot of people with it pulled below the chin. Often times staff have it off and then put it on when you approach. People here have always been pretty weird about it- someone will habitually put the mask on and then repeatedly lower it, play around with it, touch your arm for emphasis etc. You don't have self important liberals being a pain imposing their stupid charade on you. I do think that a large majority of people (even right wingers) would tell you the virus is very real and dangerous, but when push comes to shove everyone tries to live their life as it was before and don't sweat it when someone else is acting as If it doesn't. Thankful for Brazilian casualness
Well done! Brazil was on my list and 4 days before I went they changed the border rules. Which airline if you don't mind me asking and did you fly from the US? that's quite the risk in losing the money?

I am in Portugal but will be going back to Madrid next week. Madrid has no vax passports and although people wear masks outside many don't and I don't either. Never been bothered by police or anything. I do wear masks indoors but I may try to change that.

I would like to try Brazil. How is the restrictions in country?
It is a pretty decent risk, and to be honest your mileage may vary especially coming from Europe. I really doubt that any Brazilians customs agent would care enough to ask you for proof of vax if all of your other papers are in order. That part was the least of my concerns getting in.

The steps that are questionable are the checkin and the gates. If your country or airline of choice no longer allows online checkin like what @Going strong suggested above, then you would be stopped at the baggage desk. At the gate in my departure and layover flights I was not asked for anything other than the standard passport and ticket. I had a layover in a different country that does not require the vax. I don't want to get into specifics with the country or airline in this post but if anyone is looking to try and make it to Brazil send me a pm and I'll share it. YMMV

As far as vivid restrictions go, everything is open. I've heard that some concerts, sports and events require the vax but that makes no difference to my life. Im confident that they would never be able to enforce a vax pass to get food, go to a gym, etc. The police here have enough on their hands as it is. On top of that people don't care enough to turn down paying customers for something like that. Even if it was implemented it would be impotent
 

Going strong

Crow
Trad Catholic
Gold Member
Wasn't aware that some airports and airlines aren't letting you checkin like that anymore. I departed from a major us airport and checked in the night before as usual. If this is the case, id imagine it comes down to the airline if there isn't a domestic travel ban like in Canada.
In Europe, and Colombia or Argentina, it's definitely as I described, for international flights.
Even without checked luggage, the security before the Intl Gates, won't let you in if you don't show a slip of paper stamped or written upon by an employee of the airline, back at the desk. Plus, it's very likely that another airline employee will once again check your health documents just before boarding. And yes, I've been travelling all over the globe during this 'pandemia', never getting sick. I hold residency in various places, which enables my travelling, Greta Thurnberg be darned.
 
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LoveBug

Kingfisher
Catholic
I'll be in Honduras this week, San Pedro Sula and La Ceiba, then a cross Nicaragua stop, may stay in Leon/Managua/Granada again, than see the beaches across the pacific.

At that point I think traveling across Latin America might come to a halt, and I'll just stay in Honduras/Guatemala/south Mexico/and Nicaragua if I enjoy it.

I want to go to Belize and follow McAfee's trail, and check out the country soon, though no desire to stay. But as far as Latin America is concerned, the only countries I will have not visited would be Colombia/Peru/Venezuela/Bolivia/Paraguay/the Cono Sur region (Argentina/Chile/Uruguay). The Cono Sur doesn't hold much appeal for my tastes. In my mind I'm equating the Bolivia/Peru indigenous scenes to Guatemala, and the ever popular Colombia to maybe Mexico or Ecuador in terms of country atmosphere of just kind of a mid tier L.A. mestizo nation (that may be wrong).
 

Going strong

Crow
Trad Catholic
Gold Member
I fly to Colombia in a couple of days, AFAIK they just require proof of double vaccine which I have a QR code for on my phone, no covid test or quarantine.

"which I have a QR code for on my phone", I like your precise, strict and somewhat suggestive, use of English grammar (and QRs?) comparse!
Anyway, you'll love Colombia, no doubt and as usual. The country has changed little, in particular Medellín remains very welcoming.
 

scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
When I went to Colombia last winter for my annual trip I flew Vancouver to Bogota via Mexico City and while down there the Trudeau government decided to cancel all trips to “south destinations” so my return flight was canceled as was Air Canada’s Bogota-Toronto route so I had to pay an extra $700 and fly through the US, which I usually try to avoid. Trudeau also implemented a new rule that required travellers returning from abroad to stay at a government approved “quarantine hotel” for three nights so I scrambled to book one in Vancouver as availability wasn’t much. I ended up at the Fairmont Waterfront in Vancouver at a cost of $1655 ($1300 USD), the costliest hotel stay of my life, it was nice though and the food was great but I was only allowed to leave my room twice each day at an allotted time for “fresh air”, which I of course used to smoke as many cigarettes as I possibly could. I had a local cannabis delivery app that I used to get a bag of ganja edibles and a vape pen delivered to my room, so I just got high as a kite for three days and watched movies.

Then because I didn’t live in Vancouver, I had to go back to the airport (I took a quarantine shuttle bus to the hotel) so took an Uber, got in my truck and drove 13 hours to Edmonton to finish the remaining 11 days of my mandatory two week quarantine at my condo. A government agent showed up randomly on day nine to ensure that I was complying, I also had to do at at home PCR test, the third mandatory nose swab I had to do to get home.

I’m not quite sure what the return rules are now, I’m flying to a country that doesn’t require quarantine or a negative Covid test, the way it should be. Hopefully PM Peoplekind doesn’t enact more crazy Covid travel rules but this is Canuckistan so I don’t have my hopes up.
 
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scotian

Peacock
Gold Member
"which I have a QR code for on my phone", I like your precise, strict and somewhat suggestive, use of English grammar (and QRs?) comparse!
Anyway, you'll love Colombia, no doubt and as usual. The country has changed little, in particular Medellín remains very welcoming.
I just hope they don’t have random last minute curfews and quarantines like last year, that was really annoying.
 
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