Maybe stop speaking on behalf of the “average” viewer? Give people some credit. The claims are huge and unprecedented, and I don’t think anyone with a functioning brain (who isn’t a pathetic soy boy) gives a rat’s ass about a man in his mid-seventies not looking “sharp” enough on camera rather than the substance of the accusations. He spoke with authority, emotion and precision. Rudy doesn’t need to focus on anything but building his case for SCOTUS with the precious little time available to him. The reason the fake media focuses on his sweat and “brown liquid” is because they have nothing else. They have no argument.
2020 United States Election Results
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MichaelWitcoff
Ostrich
At present, the worst possible outcome is that the states certify fraudulent elections, Trump continues to lose nearly all of the lawsuits his team files, Joe Biden ends up inaugurated, and Republicans do the whole "well Joe Biden cheated this time but we have to accept him as President...but NEXT time there's no WAY we'll let them cheat!" bit. That's very typical of how the GOP works (ie, loses) and if they do that, it's over. This one is for all the marbles and there isn't going to be a second chance. Trump may end up having to decide between vacating the White House (which he should not do under any circumstances) or crossing the Rubicon.
Throwing all of the cards on the table, without the coup degrace being executed gives the opposition time to react. Maybe they learned their lesson from the Hillary Emails.
1. Announce that Hillary Clinton was doing government business on a private server on her closet
2. Hillary wipes the server, physically destroys all devices and says "no I didn't"
See also the Mueller phones.
Jenna whatever said in the press conference that they aren't trying this stuff in the court of public opinion.
I would hope that they wait until they arrest people, put them in custody and formally charge them to lay out the evidence as to why they arrested and charged these people. The arrest of Roger Stone for example, was an example of acting first and explaining later, even if the explanation was a sham.
The one good thing about the non-stop vitriol levelled against Trump for four years, the clear undiluted avalanche of hatred is that there is no secret and no doubt whatsoever that the Democrats and Deep State will destroy Trump and his family if they do cheat their way to victory. He will live out his last years in a jail cell on some trumped up charge. It’s winner take all, and Trump knows that. So he has nothing to lose by crossing the Rubicon. He is the rightful winner of the election and he should do whatever it takes to secure the victory that is rightfully his. The fact that he can’t bargain with his enemies, and that his life will be over if he loses, in a way is a good thing, because it means he can and should do anything and everything to win this, no matter how extreme.
Redcrosse, I'm comfortable speaking on behalf of my wife and family who watched it with me and found it to be embarrassing, even though they believe the claims and are 100% convinced of fraud. May come as a surprise but most Trump supporters don't sit on a computer thumbing F5 on internet forums all day, they maybe watch a press conference or the news here and there. That's the info they get, it's an inch deep, and in that world even trivial things like appearance matter.
It's not complicated or controversial -- wipe your face, look professional.
It's not complicated or controversial -- wipe your face, look professional.
OK, humor me for a moment here as I try to wargame this to its logical conclusion.
Say there is a server in the hands of Trump administration, containing the algorithm used to commit mass election fraud.
Trump publishes the algorithm and the parts of it that are the easiest for the public to understand. He also sends it to courts, which, with lots of luck, even issue a few rulings in his favor.
His Twitter, Facebook and YouTube instantly get banned, along with those of all of his supporters. The MSM refuses to broadcast the server's contents or even publish any news about it. Efficient and relentless purging of any mentions of it on social media is implemented. FBI hunts down anyone trying to spread the materials and arrests them for imaginary hate crimes or COVID-19 violations.
Mere mentions of the server are reduced to fringe conspiracy theories on Bannon's podcast and deranged ramblings on Roosh V Forum, dismissed by the Big Tech and MSM as "Russian disinformation" on par with UFO landings or lizard-people.
To 99% of the American public, the server and algorithm don't exist. They've never heard about such a thing. The few who did have no means of convincing anyone else. Imagine the Hunter Biden drive coverup, only 100x worse.
Then what? You're faced with an Orwellian surveillance state that has been building up for such a day during the last 20 years. How do you get the word out? Who's going to believe you?
If you order the military to seize MSM and Big Tech headquarters to stop them, the military splits into two with predictable results.
I fear that this will come down to civil war no matter what proof Trump digs up or what the Supreme Court decides. The leftists are too invested to go for any other outcome.
They will not just politely back down because Trump got this or that server or had a court rule in his favor.
In the end, might makes right, and that's just the way of the world.
MichaelWitcoff
Ostrich
Trump’s greatest failure was his lack of action against Big Tech and, specifically, its censorship and level of control over the public narrative. It is frankly inexcusable given how obvious it is that things were always heading in this direction, and nearly all of 2020’s worst disasters could have been prevented by even one single finger lifted against them. I still cannot fathom why he refuses to do anything except complain about them, when he could very easily have arrested the MSM bosses for seditious conspiracy as a result of their RussiaGate “coverage.” It should have been one of his first priorities, if not his very first, and I hope future leaders are paying attention to this dynamic.
He should probably also have created his own news station, though his recent support of Newsmax and OAN are along the right lines. Usually when I bring this up, people respond with “but they’d call him a dictator!”
To which my own response has always been...”and?”
durangotang
Ostrich
Someone in hair and makeup was unprofessional (or a saboteur) and put some powder in Rudy Giuliani's thinning hair to give the appearance of fill. It wasn't the right stuff, and therefore mixed with his sweat and dripped. That's all. It's not the end of the world and wasn't particularly visible from head on into the camera that he was speaking into. They have been publishing unflattering photos of orange man now for four years straight. I agree if that's all the other side has, and it appears to be all that they have to say, then we are in a good position!
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MusicForThePiano
Pelican
The media is missing the major point here, as usual. You see the thing is, Rudy is also a secret orange man, and his disguise was starting to melt as he neared Trump levels of truth. For some of us like Don, we are born Orange, for others, the exterior epidermal sheath of white or tan must be pecked away by the based point chisel of righteousness, revealing the titian carroty glow within.
The MSM/Leftist did the same thing to Kathrine Harris during the 2000 Florida recount. She was the Florida Secretary of State in charge of the recount. There was endless articles/jokes/cartoons about her looks including running makeup.
Whoa bro, cool it with the Anti-Semitism.
Yea right on the news station creation. Did you not spend the last 4 years paying attention to how rabid they were that Trump HAD NOT signed over the company to his kids?! They still attack him saying that he's still doing back door business with his company(See Savannah Guthrie Townhall Screechfest)
They would murder him for doing any private business as POTUS.
We're getting off track here fellas. Sorrow, despair, doubt and low energy belong elsewhere.
Bold claim.
Yet when is Trump not bold?
Yet when is Trump not bold?
MichaelWitcoff
Ostrich
Whoa bro, cool it with the Anti-Semitism.
Yea right on the news station creation. Did you not spend the last 4 years paying attention to how rabid they were that Trump HAD NOT signed over the company to his kids?! They still attack him saying that he's still doing back door business with his company(See Savannah Guthrie Townhall Screechfest)
They would murder him for doing any private business as POTUS.
We're getting off track here fellas. Sorrow, despair, doubt and low energy belong elsewhere.
There is no “sorrow, despair, doubt and low energy” here. Framing all criticism of Trump, along with all comments for future leaders to learn from that way, is dishonest. And it is bizarre that some people cannot read plainspeech without mind-reading and making all kinds of odd assumptions about the speaker’s emotional state.
You look at history and this is how things work: it is not possible to govern effectively with a media, owned entirely by your enemies, working against you. There was an easy out (arrest them) that was not taken during his first term, but hopefully will be during his second.
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Notes in case if/when any of the state(s) reach SCOTUS:
- Third Circuit (Alito) - PA
- Sixth Circuit (Kavanaugh) - MI
- Seventh Circuit (Barrett) - WI
- Ninth Circuit (Kagan) - AZ, NV
- Eleventh Circuit (Thomas) - GA
Mr.
Pigeon
Regarding the claims that Powell should just disclose the evidence already:
This tactic, telling people that you have evidence without showing them, is exactly how good litigators operate. You don't want to give your opposition time to prepare to rebut your evidence until you absolutely have to. It also increases the pressure on your opposition to settle so they will avoid walking into a buzzsaw.
This tactic is also used in situations very similar to this one--in RICO prosecutions. You publicly announce that you've got the evidence to take down everyone involved. Then co-conspirators will start showing up to save their hides and become witnesses. Rudy Giuliani did this exact thing with the Mafia and he did extremely successfully.
We often talk about Trump being the perfect man for the perfect job at the perfect time. It looks like Giuliani has fit into his perfect place, too.
I truly believe we are watching Providence unfold.
This tactic, telling people that you have evidence without showing them, is exactly how good litigators operate. You don't want to give your opposition time to prepare to rebut your evidence until you absolutely have to. It also increases the pressure on your opposition to settle so they will avoid walking into a buzzsaw.
This tactic is also used in situations very similar to this one--in RICO prosecutions. You publicly announce that you've got the evidence to take down everyone involved. Then co-conspirators will start showing up to save their hides and become witnesses. Rudy Giuliani did this exact thing with the Mafia and he did extremely successfully.
We often talk about Trump being the perfect man for the perfect job at the perfect time. It looks like Giuliani has fit into his perfect place, too.
I truly believe we are watching Providence unfold.
MichaelWitcoff
Ostrich
Nice! SCOTUS members were treated very poorly by Kamala and Joe. Let’s hope they remember and reciprocate accordingly.
Athanasius
Pelican
If you search for that presser on youtube, you find item after item of that stuff darkened way beyond what it was on camera, and the Idiocracy (e.g. Seth Meyers) commenting on it. It really is amazing how stupid and venal our society is. If it wouldn't have been this, they would have found something else.