2022 China COVID Lockdowns - What's going on?

hedonist

Pelican
Other Christian
Well its an eye opener for supposedly zero covid for a year or more?!?!!? People thought they were lying then so what gives now?
 

paternos

Kingfisher
Catholic
a very recent Chinese plan since 2009 in order to maintain social order

For a short time I was in a government policy department, for much longer I was was able to reflect on that time.

What I felt and saw was a general idea that they want the best for our country, to have it function well, for it to be prosperous.

What i saw as well was a frustration that the policies created, wether it was to reduce crime or to stimulate the economy, mostly didn't have the desired effects. There was a large communication department that had to sell these mediocre policies and effects as succeses.

"Government will invest 20 million to battle theft"

I also saw a distance to the population, an amorphous mass of individuals. Even though their kids, wives, parents are part of that population.

Policies are always massive. They effect 100.000s, millions, people, money. It denies the individual, the family, the small community.

Their view on the world is like this:
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It was about fancy flowcharts, graphs, predictions by external consultants and NGOs.

There is a general idea, that the people are "just" busy with their lives, eating, drinking, traveling, have fun. And companies are just making profit and polluting.

While they, "the government people" are solving the big problems of the world. The see it as a burden, it all comes down on them.

It's similar to doctors who think that by their labour are elevated over the plebs, as they are saving lives, not just selling something useless.

There was a general tendency that if the people and companies would just do as they say. The whole energy supply for example would have been green already. People and companies are just not listening well, not knowing what they know.

Within the government we had access to any specialist or scientist, this gives them the idea that they know much better what's going on than the "people on the streets". These terms were literally used.

What is also there is a Malthusian fear of the rising population. If we do nothing there will be no resources left and everything will be polluted.

There is a general fear of population, and there is a general belief they really do want the best.

all the technological infrastructure and political authority for it was in place in China for a few years prior to the start of covid

What's different from my time in the government there has been a big technological advancement in the last 10-15 years.

From research which I stated government now have access to real time dashboards.

E.g. dashboards on the use rental scooters providing governments real time dashboards with CO2 "saved"

There is this general belief that "policy" combined with "technology" can create the ideal society. A better way to control companies and individuals.

It gives policymakers and politicians a sense of control which they never had.

Hence we see strong rise in ESG software which will be used to measure and control companies.
(non compliance means no government contracts, subsidies or tax cuts)

Which provides real time dashboards on the progressing of ESG goals.

The internet has created an illusion for politicians to fully control the flows of people.

Reading these pages you come to dystopian things like:

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This new government. This KPI dashboard managing government with realtime dahboards on ESGs and electrical scooters has become more out of touch with their population than ever.

And I think it is the same anywhere, whatever the politics, left, right, chinese, us, euro, the games have changed. This internet revolution has given the governments the idea of real time control and steering of the population. Managing population like a computer game.

What's ESG for companies, will be a similar thing for individuals, an API with corona vaccinations.

Covid is just landing in this new technological reality. As was said here for 10 years these developments were taking place.

And looking back to all the lockdowns it sounded like a computer game. Every day the numbers. Then the actions. Like a fun simulation game. Where you don't question the goal, you just try to win getting the numbers down (or up depending on the game)

Was thinking of Kaczynski
It is not possible to make a LASTING compromise between technology and freedom, because technology is by far the more powerful social force and continually encroaches on freedom through REPEATED compromises.

Theodore Kaczynski

And I think he is right here. These real time dashboard created the "metareality of the dashboard" over the material.

This force in the hands of politicians is heroin for them.

They can play. Manipulate and see the day on day effect.
They can test propaganda on twitter, do realtime research and keep what sticks.

This is a very powerful tool. And on the other hand politicians / policy makers are also subject to the technology. The dictate of what can be measured in real-time. If it isn't in the API, in the dashboard it isn't real.

The meta has become their reality, what used to be the ivory tower in which the king overlooked the people totally disconnected, is today the realtime -KPI-dashboard in which in temporary politicians can see the meta reality of covid vaccinations and what will come and his personal KPIs which he needs to hit.

Concluding I think the current time, in which rapid rise in technology coincides with big government and overconfidence and pride of the managers on top is the cause of this tyranny.

In current society it is forbidden to question the dashboard. For the modern politician the dashboard is the bible. An unquestionable truth.

Here is the heresy. The golden calf. And indeed as someone said this sin in not only in the US or Europe but also in China, they live in the same technological metareality.

I think opposing this cult is of a grand importance. Stay close to God.

To end:

To those who think that all this sounds like science fiction, we point out that yesterday's science fiction is today's fact. The Industrial Revolution has radically altered man's environment and way of life, and it is only to be expected that as technology is increasingly applied to the human body and mind, man himself will be altered as radically as his environment and way of life have been.

Theodore Kaczynski
 

infowarrior1

Peacock
Protestant
I don't agree. The death rates are overhyped. The PCR test is now known to detect the cold and the flu as Covid. If you compare people who died with Covid vs those who died of it, only about 7% of the so called Covid deaths died of it.

The whole thing was over hyped from the start. In any case the Omicron variant really is more contagious and less deadly. The standard progression of diseases is to do this. The viruses that are more contagious and less deadly are naturally selected because they spread more.

So, you have an overhyped virus, that is even less deadly than it ever was before, which was not that big a deal. Yet China is going for maximum insanity totalitarian overload in their lockdowns.

It is not reasonable to lock down 20 million people until they starve, withholding medicine and separating parents from children, over 39 deaths. The lock downs will probably cause 1000s of deaths, and cause severe disruption for millions of lives, the kind of loss that takes a person 10 years to dig out from.

Seems like an echo of the "Great Leap Forward" Disaster. The downside of Totalitarian Centralized Bureaucracies.
 

Sisyphus

Kingfisher
Other Christian
I thought let's create a thread on the new COVID lockdowns in China.

Curious for your opinion, what's truly going on in China now?

Our media mostly shares stories on the oppression of the Chinese government, while China is talking on containing COVID breakout. It's all leaving me a bit puzzled.

What is the Western propaganda aiming to portray?

I have a different theory about this. While speculation, it’s based on some assumptions that most of us will agree with.



Assumption # 1: Western leaders desire to impose Shanghai-style lockdowns on their own people. Regardless of whether the reporting on this topic is true or not, it’s still telling a certain story which is what I refer to when I use the phrase “Shanghai-style lockdowns.”



Evidence: First of all, the Demon Doctor Anthony S. False-i said the quiet part out loud and lauded the Chinese for employing what he declared to be the best strategy for limiting the spread of the killer virus.



Additionally, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada have already imposed restrictions on their people equaling or even exceeding those used by the CCP so this assumption is incontrovertible.



Assumption # 2: The West desperately desires to impose digital ID’s, round the clock surveillance, and social credit systems.



Evidence: Plentiful. One need look no further than the WEF.



Although qualitative and not quantitative in form, social credit is already being introduced in a rudimentary form. Large banks on which businesses depend are explicitly only agreeing to work with businesses featuring “diversity” and woke policies.



Various forms of digital tracking are in the later stages of development, and Western nations and states/provinces have already agreed to implement them. There are entire threads devoted to this, but the Forbes article from late February is an especially salient example.



Assumption # 3: Everything reported by the MSM is social engineering. This is to say that the purpose of this reporting is to convince its consumers of certain truths and to prepare them for new laws and policies. There is no reporting of facts for its own sake – every news item is part of a narrative. The MSM works closely with governments to craft these narratives and is simply an extension of these entities.

Evidence: The entire output of the MSM for roughly a century. Too complex to discuss here.

So if the MSM only reports in a way to tell a story and if it the goal is to help Western governments adopt the CCP model of governance, why would it report these awful stories about suicides and mass slaughter of cute furry animals?

It’s because it’s only the first chapter of the story. It will eventually turn out that the Shanghai lockdown will succeed in stemming the spread of the deadly plague, and the Chinese will accomplish the absurd and unrealistic goal of “Zero COVID.”

Then the Western media will laud their efforts. “Well, you see, it was difficult and lots of individual sacrifice was required, but it was well worth it in the end because the largest nation in the world managed to come together to defeat the common invisible enemy!”

If spun properly not only will people not resist when the brutal lockdowns are imposed in formerly free American cities, but they will in fact clamor for their rulers to impose them. Many will gladly volunteer to partake in patrols and to inform on disobedient neighbors, friends, and family members. This will allow us to skip the jumping off the balcony phase, because the brainwashed masses will have been primed for their imprisonment. They will have already accepted it and prepared themselves for it.

It won’t be long before False-I intensifies his calls for extreme lockdowns, and publications like the Atlantic will openly discuss the potential benefits, couched in a pseudo-intellectual and technical sounding style meant to diffuse any resistance. Drs. Wen and Walensky will join the cacophony of prominent voices supporting these policies. Athletes, actors, and social media influencers will take up the mantle until Sleepy Joe’s puppet masters pull the arm strings which drag his pen across an executive order suspending the Constitution and imposing martial law.

I posit that this is the reasoning behind the stories that we’re seeing. It has to be something, and what I’ve described fits with the overall usage of the propaganda apparatus in the preceding two years. Alternative explanations are possible, and I look forward to seeing what others come up with, but given all we’ve observed, this seems to me to be the most parsimonious explanation.
 

droughtmeat

Kingfisher
Catholic
I find it confusing because I thought the MSM was a big fan of harsh lockdowns. They praised New Zealand's leader, Jacinda Arden, for being a dictator and treating NZ citizens as little children. The US Media also gave praise to Governor Cuomo for being tough as well and harshly condemned governors in Florida and South Dakota for not being tough enough.

Does the US media believe in the right of people to decide how much risk they will take regarding the virus or not?
I think those harsh measures in the west simply pale in comparison. The measures never actually changed that much, it was actually their extension that was considered a harsh or "firm" approach. Austria didn't get praised for the mandatory vax and concentration camp ideas either.

In addition, if this is the level of authority the police and health services officially have who knows what goes on when they abuse that power. Are people getting shot in the name of covid? I don't think so, but it's still an awful situation overall.
 

Redcrosse

Kingfisher
Other Christian
It’s because it’s only the first chapter of the story. It will eventually turn out that the Shanghai lockdown will succeed in stemming the spread of the deadly plague, and the Chinese will accomplish the absurd and unrealistic goal of “Zero COVID.”

Then the Western media will laud their efforts. “Well, you see, it was difficult and lots of individual sacrifice was required, but it was well worth it in the end because the largest nation in the world managed to come together to defeat the common invisible enemy!”
It could also be that they want to portray the West as still being the gentle, compassionate place to live by contrast. “What are you complaining about? Try living in China where they really do have harsh lockdowns. You must be a crybaby to complain about the tiny little restrictions here. Put your mask back on and get vaccinated.”

Like portraying life behind the Iron Curtain during the Cold War as a nightmare while glossing over the steadily rising social problems and steadily eroding liberties in the “Free West.”
 

the high

Kingfisher
Other Christian
I've noticed some guys here, when China is portrayed in any kind of negative light, often want to twist things around and make it out to be just another western smear campaign against the Middle Kingdom. It's like they have this urge to view China as the good guys in this globalist hellscape we're in now. It's been said but bears repeating, just because western governments are corrupt and evil doesn't mean the CCP isn't. Everything isn't some galaxy brain chess move to make the "other side" look bad. Not to mention it trivializes the harsh realities these people are actually living through.
 
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SaintPiusX

Robin
Trad Catholic
I lived in China in 2012, and even then, I was left with the distinct impression that if the entire country were nuked, it would be to the net benefit of the world. China is simply the logical conclusion of a state that has totally and completely rejected God. It's the realization of the absence of God and of faith, which means there is no bottom to the cruelty and nihilism of China. Simply said: ethics and morality does not exist in a world without God. Such a fate awaits all of us if we abandon our faith, and reminds us why it's necessary to die for Christ.

As for the practical reasons why the Chinese government is doing it, I have heard a few theories:

1) Their economy is actually in freefall, due to out of control commodity prices, and this is there way to control demand.
2) They are purposely reducing demand to drive down the cost of oil and then buy up a considerable amount of oil at lower prices.
3) By contracting the world economy, they are putting pressure on the US, as they assume they can better "weather" an economic collapse.
4) They are purposely contracting the world economy to support Russia, as they think the US cannot fight a war on two economic fronts.
5) Faction warfare among the CCP, and this is a smokescreen for Xi to purge his enemies in the CCP.

To these theories I would also add that the CCP and Xi enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on their population. They hate their people because of how weak they are. There's a sort of sycophantic pleasure that powerful men have in torturing the weak. Also, this type of wanton cruelty is nothing new with the Chinese. They have a long and storied history of their rulers killing off millions of their people for the chance to cement their name and glory.
 

muscacav

Woodpecker
Trad Catholic
I lived in China in 2012, and even then, I was left with the distinct impression that if the entire country were nuked, it would be to the net benefit of the world. China is simply the logical conclusion of a state that has totally and completely rejected God. It's the realization of the absence of God and of faith, which means there is no bottom to the cruelty and nihilism of China. Simply said: ethics and morality does not exist in a world without God. Such a fate awaits all of us if we abandon our faith, and reminds us why it's necessary to die for Christ.

As for the practical reasons why the Chinese government is doing it, I have heard a few theories:

1) Their economy is actually in freefall, due to out of control commodity prices, and this is there way to control demand.
2) They are purposely reducing demand to drive down the cost of oil and then buy up a considerable amount of oil at lower prices.
3) By contracting the world economy, they are putting pressure on the US, as they assume they can better "weather" an economic collapse.
4) They are purposely contracting the world economy to support Russia, as they think the US cannot fight a war on two economic fronts.
5) Faction warfare among the CCP, and this is a smokescreen for Xi to purge his enemies in the CCP.

To these theories I would also add that the CCP and Xi enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on their population. They hate their people because of how weak they are. There's a sort of sycophantic pleasure that powerful men have in torturing the weak. Also, this type of wanton cruelty is nothing new with the Chinese. They have a long and storied history of their rulers killing off millions of their people for the chance to cement their name and glory.
China is returning to its legalist roots. Non-compliance is being suppressed since ancient China. For more info: http://robertlstephens.com/essays/shafarevich/001SocialistPhenomenon.html#pagestart_168

Quote from the book:
According to Shang's teaching, two forces determine the life of society. One of them Shang calls the ruler or the state, evidently regarding them as different terms for essentially the same thing. Shang identifies himself with this force. The aim of the whole treatise is to point out the best paths and means for achieving the goals of this force in the most perfect fashion. The goal consists essentially of increasing to the maximum degree possible the ruler's influence and power both inside the country and beyond its borders through expansion. The ideal is full dominion under-the-heavens. The other force is the people. The author describes the interrelations between the ruler and the people as analogous to those between the artisan and his raw material. The people are likened to ore in the hands of a metal worker or to clay in the hands of a potter. And even more--the aspirations of the two forces are diametrically opposed; they are enemies, the one getting stronger only at the expense of the other. "Only he who has conquered his own people first can conquer a strong enemy." (84: p. 210) "When the people are weak the state is strong; when the state is weak the people are strong. Hence the state that follows a true course strives to weaken the people." (84: p. 219) The section in Shang's book from which the last quotation is taken is in fact entitled: "How to Weaken the People."
In order to transform his people into clay in his hands, the ruler is advised to renounce love of man, of justice and of the people--qualities that the author categorizes collectively as virtue. These qualities should not be assumed among the people either; they must be ruled like a collection of potential criminals with an appeal made only to fear and selfish advantage. "If the state is governed by virtuous methods, large numbers of criminals are sure to appear." (84: p. 156) "In a state where the depraved are treated as if they were virtuous, sedition is inevitable. In a state where the virtuous are treated as if they were depraved, order shall reign and the state surely shall be powerful." (84: p. 163) "When the people derive profit from the ways in which they are used, they can be made to do anything the ruler wishes. ...However, should the ruler turn away from the law and begin to rely upon his love for the people, there will be an outbreak of crime in the land." (84: p. 220)
[...]

Shang Yang's teaching is reminiscent of a social utopia, a description of an "ideal state," in which "private interests are eliminated," love[178] for kindred beings is replaced by love for state order, all aspirations are concentrated on the One Thing and the entire structure is maintained by a system of informers, guilt by association and harsh punishments. But in one respect Shang Yang occupies a special place among authors of such treatises. Many of them made attempts to implement their ideals. Plato, for instance, sought a ruler who would organize a state in the spirit of his teaching. Plato's attempts ended when the Syracuse tyrant Dionysius, upon whom he had set his hopes, sold him into slavery. Shang Yang, however, found his ruler and had the opportunity to realize his ideals. The prince of the state of Ch'in made him first minister and Shang Yang succeeded in carrying out a number of reforms.
 
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7-5

Sparrow
Orthodox Inquirer
I lived in China in 2012,
Was about to like the post and excitedly say
'No way, me to! Where'd you go?'

I was left with the distinct impression that if the entire country were nuked, it would be to the net benefit of the world.
Then I saw that part...
Guess you didn't have as good a time in the PRC as I did.

@Reasons for lockdowns:
I agree with others here, these would be a useful smokescreen to 'deal' with any rivals... For any faction.

I'm also recalling a video I once watched prior to my trip abroad (not even gonna try to find it)
In it, a college kid was describing his experiences living abroad (Beijing, I think it was).
He said that when things like illnesses happen, they always turn everything up to ten. Least where he was. He commented about it looking bad, but their officials just wanting to always do the utmost (least, that's what he was told).

But I'm also reminded of an incident I heard about while I was there. Western media was reporting giant billboards portraying sunrises because pollution was so bad, 'this was the government's way of alleviating the problem'.
And there was a billboard showing that, and pollution was bad in the cities.

But it was just an advertisement for some company.
Anything for clicks, right?

Lastly, we heard stories from the English speaking teachers who had worked in government about the coverups they had to do.
One in particular was striking: A bus driver went postal one day and ran over many school aged children. People were understandably angry and his marching orders were to: 1. Pay people off 2. Tell them not to mention it 3. Ensure a media blackout about the event.
The priority, his superiors told him, was to 'get the people back to work'.

Given these experiences (and more). I think that if they wanted to hide something, they could. That they have enough enemies who'll capitalize on any bad news or half truth. And that there's enough internal dissent to warrant unscrupulous usage of a bad situation.

Without real on the ground intel, it'll be difficult to say...
WikiLeaks, perhaps?
 

Going strong

Crow
Orthodox
Gold Member
If he is not careful, he will end up being deported.

Yes, he knows that, and that's why (from my understanding) he's crying and shouting "I want to die, I'll commit suicide". It's not the quarantine per se that drives him to despair, it's the thought of being deported back to France.

That's the state of affairs. A Western-European native, happily expatriated in China (or any other Asian or South American country, actually), would rather die than being forced to go back to degenerate GloboHomo Western Europe.

So one can criticise China as much as they want, but, all Western European expats I've known in China (or South America or Russia or Vietnam), would rather die before being dragged back to Western Europe GloboHomo land. There's nothing left for us good heterosexual Native Europeans in Western Europe.

By the way, there are probably 60 millions Christians in China. Though few Orthodox Christians (maybe thirty thousands?). One thing is certain in any case, it's that the Chinese do not burn down historic Orthodox Churches, contrary to what happened a few days ago to the world-revered Saint Seraphim of Sarov wooden Church of Paris (which was burnt to the ground with its invaluable icon collection)... So, I contend that Christians are currently safer in China!

Now, if you put "Christianity in China" in Google search engine, you'll be surprised...

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^seriously? Google is heavily trolling!

Edit : about the Saint Seraphim of Sarov Church, burned down by "unknown perps" in Paris, it can be noted that the Epitaphion has miraculously survived the flames, untouched...

epitaphionleglise-orthodoxe-Saint-Seraphin-de-Sarov-.jpg
 
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nagareboshi

Kingfisher
Orthodox
I lived in China in 2012, and even then, I was left with the distinct impression that if the entire country were nuked, it would be to the net benefit of the world.
Tradcaths love nuking Third World countries filled with millions of human souls whenever it benefits the NATO agenda. But if there's no more Third World countries, how will they ever find foreign girls to marry?
 

SaintPiusX

Robin
Trad Catholic
I assume any "Christian" that supports China is either ethnically Chinese, or is a CPC shill. It's a truly gross and hypocritical position to take. If you publicly worship Jesus Christ in China outside of the "sanctioned" churches, you will be arrested and tortured. If you don't repent your faith, you will be sent to a work camp, or your organs will be harvested. I encourage anyone on this forum that doesn't believe me to go and try it. Report back to me. As a foreigner, you may be lucky and just be deported.
 

Going strong

Crow
Orthodox
Gold Member
. If you publicly worship Jesus Christ in China, you will be arrested and tortured.

I have several Christian, expatriate friends currently living long-term in China, and they have never been "arrested and tortured". Never been assaulted, never been insulted. They wear a small cross around the neck, too. Never had any problem.

Now, a few years ago, when I went back by plane to Western Europe from a job in China, I got harassed and insulted by young Islamist thugs after just twenty minutes on the ground. I literally cleared the European Customs, took the suburb train and instantly was insulted by Islamist unemployed youths who tried to rob me...

Now, to quote you, if I "openly worship Jesus Christ" in a Parisian suburb, I'll be severely beaten, that's for sure. Robbed, too. None of this in China.
 

Stoyan

 
Banned
Orthodox
According to Shang's teaching, two forces determine the life of society. One of them Shang calls the ruler or the state, evidently regarding them as different terms for essentially the same thing. Shang identifies himself with this force. The aim of the whole treatise is to point out the best paths and means for achieving the goals of this force in the most perfect fashion. The goal consists essentially of increasing to the maximum degree possible the ruler's influence and power both inside the country and beyond its borders through expansion. The ideal is full dominion under-the-heavens. The other force is the people. The author describes the interrelations between the ruler and the people as analogous to those between the artisan and his raw material. The people are likened to ore in the hands of a metal worker or to clay in the hands of a potter. And even more--the aspirations of the two forces are diametrically opposed; they are enemies, the one getting stronger only at the expense of the other. "Only he who has conquered his own people first can conquer a strong enemy." (84: p. 210) "When the people are weak the state is strong; when the state is weak the people are strong. Hence the state that follows a true course strives to weaken the people." (84: p. 219) The section in Shang's book from which the last quotation is taken is in fact entitled: "How to Weaken the People."
In order to transform his people into clay in his hands, the ruler is advised to renounce love of man, of justice and of the people--qualities that the author categorizes collectively as virtue. These qualities should not be assumed among the people either; they must be ruled like a collection of potential criminals with an appeal made only to fear and selfish advantage. "If the state is governed by virtuous methods, large numbers of criminals are sure to appear." (84: p. 156) "In a state where the depraved are treated as if they were virtuous, sedition is inevitable. In a state where the virtuous are treated as if they were depraved, order shall reign and the state surely shall be powerful." (84: p. 163) "When the people derive profit from the ways in which they are used, they can be made to do anything the ruler wishes. ...However, should the ruler turn away from the law and begin to rely upon his love for the people, there will be an outbreak of crime in the land." (84: p. 220)

The best rulers are those who are not noticed by the people.
Slightly worse are those rulers to whom the people are tied.
Even worse are those rulers who are feared by the people.
The worst rulers are those who are despised by the people.

If you want to lead the people, you must first follow them.

-- Confucius
 
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