2Pac: Transformation from Beta to Alpha

Moma

Peacock
Gold Member
Deluge said:
Moma said:
Deluge, I grew up on hip hop..but that shyt looks extremely moist. I don't like to sound like a hater and I know hip hop is trying to touch different audiences and increase fan base..but the moist stuff makes my skin crawl.

The skirt wearing and the bitching..makes me just want to run off to a traditional beer drinking community and reset.

I'm embarrassed to admit I used to like his stuff a few years back. Drake is hip-hop for basic bitch middle class white girls.

I like his track called 'Ransom' with him and Weezy. But he sounded just like Weezy on it. I also like the track 'Started from the bottom'.
 

Deluge

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Moma said:
Deluge said:
Moma said:
Deluge, I grew up on hip hop..but that shyt looks extremely moist. I don't like to sound like a hater and I know hip hop is trying to touch different audiences and increase fan base..but the moist stuff makes my skin crawl.

The skirt wearing and the bitching..makes me just want to run off to a traditional beer drinking community and reset.

I'm embarrassed to admit I used to like his stuff a few years back. Drake is hip-hop for basic bitch middle class white girls.

I like his track called 'Ransom' with him and Weezy. But he sounded just like Weezy on it. I also like the track 'Started from the bottom'.

Started from the Bottom is a catchy song, but I can't listen to it with a straight face. Drake grew up in a rich as fuck Jewish neighbourhood in Toronto. He didn't start from the bottom, he started from Degrassi.

 

Moma

Peacock
Gold Member
99 percent of these neo rappers are full of bull. I don't believe a word they say..they are actors..entertainment only.

I lived near Drake's area..the number 7 went all through bathurst street..nice jewish area..clean shops..regular bus service..I almost got an apartment there..nice to live next to money for a change ;)
 

JoyStick

Pelican
Moma, have you heard Yo Gotti's version of started from the bottom? So much better than Drake.

Moma said:
Deluge said:
Moma said:
Deluge, I grew up on hip hop..but that shyt looks extremely moist. I don't like to sound like a hater and I know hip hop is trying to touch different audiences and increase fan base..but the moist stuff makes my skin crawl.

The skirt wearing and the bitching..makes me just want to run off to a traditional beer drinking community and reset.

I'm embarrassed to admit I used to like his stuff a few years back. Drake is hip-hop for basic bitch middle class white girls.

I like his track called 'Ransom' with him and Weezy. But he sounded just like Weezy on it. I also like the track 'Started from the bottom'.
 

Sourcecode

Crow
Gold Member
Pac wasn't gay when he was younger.
Don't talk trash about Pac...
Of course..he was feminine early on. No father figure..Raised by his mom in a time when black rights were going on.
His mom didn't want him out thuggin.
Pac went to an art school...we was a dancer.

Any of his friends would tell you that he was just a method actor
bigpacbadboy.jpg

This iconic picture...Marlon Wayans is the the background.
Thugs dont hang out with the wayans brothers

 

Moma

Peacock
Gold Member
JoyStick said:
Moma, have you heard Yo Gotti's version of started from the bottom? So much better than Drake.

Gonna check it out now. Okay, just listened to it, who's the originator?
 

Screwston

 
Banned
His lyrics started getting to his head and he started believing his whole rap persona. Made some bad ass music though. I wouldn't be surprised if he was sucking dick on the low low after interviews in his younger years.
 

Moma

Peacock
Gold Member
JoyStick said:
Moma said:
JoyStick said:
Moma, have you heard Yo Gotti's version of started from the bottom? So much better than Drake.

Gonna check it out now. Okay, just listened to it, who's the originator?

drake

I always gotta give it to the originator regardless of how I feel about him.
So it still stands that those are my two favourite songs by Drake.
 

Jukes

Woodpecker
Deluge said:
Moma said:
Deluge, I grew up on hip hop..but that shyt looks extremely moist. I don't like to sound like a hater and I know hip hop is trying to touch different audiences and increase fan base..but the moist stuff makes my skin crawl.

The skirt wearing and the bitching..makes me just want to run off to a traditional beer drinking community and reset.

I'm embarrassed to admit I used to like his stuff a few years back. Drake is hip-hop for basic bitch middle class white girls.

I am ok with Drake . He is like the modern day LL Cool J . Rap to the ladies makes the panties and cash drop into his hands . That Good girl and you know it plus many others have the Jezebel turn into nuns and devoted housewives . On the downside , you have the average black dude believe that shit like Disney movies .
 

Enigma

Hummingbird
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
This was meant for the other thread that's now closed, but I'll post it here:

People love to hate on Pac.

Yet listen to how Jada Pinkett talks about him to this day. She's been married to one of the most successful stars in the world for the past twenty years, but she's still in love with Tupac.

Then you have the "fake gangsta" claims. He definitely played up that image, but that was because he knew it would help him gain popularity with that demographic which he could then use to make positive changes in the black community. A lot of this was known before, but the phone conversations Monster Kody released recently between the two helped shed a lot of light on this.

Listen to this if you've never heard it. Really profound look into Tupac's pscyhe:



Related, funny how Tupac used to have casual phone conversations with notoriously ruthless LA Crips (Kody), yet he was "soft".

Another recent story gives some insight into Tupac's character, and that's the indictment of Jimmy Henchman. The truth about the extent of his extorting and strong arming rappers is being revealed, yet Pac was never intimidated by him.

Even after he had Tupac shot, it didn't stop him. Many of you probably remember this line from the song Against All Odds on Pac's last album: "Promised a payback, Jimmy Henchman, in due time".
 

Lizard King

Pelican
When you have women throwing themselves at you just because of fame, wealth etc, you are going to see through the bullshit, and see the women for what they are(gold diggers, star fuckers).
 

MY DETROIT PLAYAS

Ostrich
Gold Member
Obviously, he was a study in contradictions from "Sucka 4 Love" to "Hit em' up". He publicly dated/smashed everyone from Kidada Jones to Madonna (Quincy's daughter). Part of his transformation was probably environment and his associations, but to reach the urban audience he wanted to touch, he had to come harder.

In the later years, he wanted start a revolution

N.I.G.G.A. - Never ignorant getting goals accomplished. Brilliant turn of phrase

Dude took this ugly word and flipped it into a beautiful acronym

It's not how you start, it's how you finish
 

Beyond Borders

Peacock
Gold Member
^ Not sure I like how he finished, whether you call it alpha or not.

His young heart lost sight of his old soul.

He had the potential for much bigger things but was seduced by the money, fame, and the image he'd conjured.

I don't hate on him for it - most of us would do the same given the same traps. But it was still a tragic misuse of potential.
 

the high

Kingfisher
Other Christian
Yeah I think Pac was on the right track up until he signed to Death Row. There's an interview just before he gets out of prison where he is talking about implementing some real changes in the Black community. After he was released though he was thoroughly swept up into the gang culture under Suge Knight which ultimately led to his death.
 

MY DETROIT PLAYAS

Ostrich
Gold Member
Agreed.

It seems his original agenda had been pushed to the background when he signed with Death Row. The whole time anyone who knew his back story knew that he never fit into a nice neat box. He was always contradictory. Even more so during that period.

He had sold his soul to the devil with Suge Knight. To me he was little more than hamming it up for his new business associates and he had a huge debt to pay off in exchange for his freedom

I remember being disappointed by All Eyez on Me because his previous work before going in was a more balanced display of his talent - Me Against The World

What some people don't realize is that with his last project, he had paid his obligation off to the label and was looking to become his own boss and move towards a different musical and social direction

Too bad he never got the chance
 

Moma

Peacock
Gold Member
Suge was the only guy who was reaching out to him during incarceration so you go with those who are down with you when you don't have anything..
 

dads

Kingfisher
Is there any reading material on Tupac and all this stuff that's being said on this thread? I'd love an Oral History or something on the guy if anyone has any recommendations.
 
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