I think obesity may play a role too.
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I think obesity may play a role too.
Another one is this one:
Male Sexlessness is Rising But Not for the Reasons Incels Claim
A recent terrorist attack in Toronto, which left 10 people dead, has brought global attention to the “incel” movement, which stands for “involuntarily celibate.” The term refers to a growing number of people, particularly young men, who feel shut out of any possibility for romance, and have...
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They say, the top 20% only have 60% of all the sex, not 80. LOLAnother one is this one:
Male Sexlessness is Rising But Not for the Reasons Incels Claim
A recent terrorist attack in Toronto, which left 10 people dead, has brought global attention to the “incel” movement, which stands for “involuntarily celibate.” The term refers to a growing number of people, particularly young men, who feel shut out of any possibility for romance, and have...
I suspect that even if the theoretically married in this case had sex, it would just be definitional, and likely also quite rare. An assumed sex characteristic/statistic, "since they are married clearly they are having sex". LOL again
Either way, what does it matter that the reason is being unmarried and/or Chad Thunder? As a result, the problem is the same.
Of course, as globohomo is exported, you'll see it in many countries. Also, the world is one in which population has maintained a steady increase, causing more economic growth which relatively (always) helps female hypergamy. Attitudinal shifts in what women want from relationships haven't changed? Huh. Isn't that the point of going to school longer? That doesn't make sense to me unless you think all details are considered in a vacuum. Of course, more time not getting married makes women less desirable, makes men more demanding (as they also work harder and longer, and are at their peak now), and more experimentation and jadedness, not less.
Again, the only solution at this point is large age gaps (not "young people pairing up"). Since that solution is shunned, an economic collapse, and all that comes with it, will be the first step in reinventing whatever the paradigm/reset is.
Maybe this has something to do with it also.Another one is this one:
Male Sexlessness is Rising But Not for the Reasons Incels Claim
A recent terrorist attack in Toronto, which left 10 people dead, has brought global attention to the “incel” movement, which stands for “involuntarily celibate.” The term refers to a growing number of people, particularly young men, who feel shut out of any possibility for romance, and have...
Women REJECTING Sex With Vaccinated Men To Protect From Spike Protein Bioweapons
You can throw. What about this or that all you want. But the original point stands and isn't disproven. You are of course right.
But its a way to throw it off focus from the original topic in discussion.
If the topic is about men. Saying "what about women" . Or if the topic is women then it's "what about men" or if one is discussing the flaws of China. The commentators would say "but the British". Isnt keeping things within topic.
I see it all the time.
I apologize for going off topic but when I saw this video, it seemed relevant to the current discussion. The topic was about "guidance for men who want to pick the right woman for marriage in an Orthodox courtship." It took a different turn after the fat-shaming. I hope the men take some of the advice that was given.
If you feel too emotional take a break and think things through before formulating a response. There are already many good responses in this thread.
Maybe I will quit and let the men have their say on this forum.
Depends on your definition of "smart." I've found that obesity correlates strongly enough to some sort of mental health issue to say that sane people are never fat. It's a strong indicator of underying emotional pathology.
Obesity is a condition with many potential causes.
Gluttony can do it, even in the absence of sloth.
Sloth can do it, even in the absence of gluttony.
Ignorance alone can do it.
Being inclined toward sin is not the same thing as being "insane." (unless we are all insane)
Being deceived/ignorant is not the same thing as being "unintelligent." (unless we are all unintelligent)
People who try to say that obesity is all down to any one factor, or narrow set of factors, don't understand it any better than the people who try to claim that being fat isn't unhealthy.
Being fat is not good or healthy.
But to look at a fat person and decide that they must be fat because of whatever particular sin or defect you personally associate with fatness, and judge them as being guilty of (whatever specific thing) because they are fat...
Well, I strongly caution against making allowances for ourselves to indulge in judging the condition and state of another person's soul, or assuming we know their particulars,based on their outward appearances.
There is nothing wrong at all with dismissing fat people as potential spouses based on the fact that one is not attracted to fat people for the very sound reason that excess fat is problematic for both health and beauty.
Where people go wrong is when they take their very natural preference for optimal health/genetic quality for coupling and breeding purposes, and feel like they have to defend it by making fatness out to be an indication of WORSE SIN/GREATER MORAL FAILING than anything perpetuated by thin people.
Based on many replies in this thread, even a relatively thin layer of excess fat (most of you would probably be pretty surprised by how small/subtle a visual difference 20 pounds up from ideal actually makes when spread across my 5'4" frame, and probably would never notice the difference if you were someone who saw me walking around/running my errands on the daily) is "massively overweight" and an indication that the entire person is horribly defective, likely in some irreparable way.
On the whole, I highly doubt overweight people are any more severely steeped in sin, or less repentant, or more stupid, or more crazy, than thin people. The main difference is that the specific consequences of their various behaviors are highly visible to others.
(There are even some people who are very slothful or very gluttonous - bearing in mind that overeating is only one of the ways in which the sin of gluttony manifests - and still end up looking normal/healthy from the outside for various reasons.)
It is fine to not want to marry a fatty based on the limitations of what one finds attractive and practically suitable.
It is unwise, uncharitable, and at least as ugly as cankles, to project a greater measure of sin/brokenness/unrepentance onto others based on the fact that we find them physically unattractive.
Gluttony can do it, even in the absence of sloth.
Sloth can do it, even in the absence of gluttony.
Ignorance alone can do it.
Being inclined toward sin is not the same thing as being "insane." (unless we are all insane)
Being deceived/ignorant is not the same thing as being "unintelligent." (unless we are all unintelligent)
People who try to say that obesity is all down to any one factor, or narrow set of factors, don't understand it any better than the people who try to claim that being fat isn't unhealthy.
Being fat is not good or healthy.
But to look at a fat person and decide that they must be fat because of whatever particular sin or defect you personally associate with fatness, and judge them as being guilty of (whatever specific thing) because they are fat...
Well, I strongly caution against making allowances for ourselves to indulge in judging the condition and state of another person's soul, or assuming we know their particulars,based on their outward appearances.
There is nothing wrong at all with dismissing fat people as potential spouses based on the fact that one is not attracted to fat people for the very sound reason that excess fat is problematic for both health and beauty.
Where people go wrong is when they take their very natural preference for optimal health/genetic quality for coupling and breeding purposes, and feel like they have to defend it by making fatness out to be an indication of WORSE SIN/GREATER MORAL FAILING than anything perpetuated by thin people.
Based on many replies in this thread, even a relatively thin layer of excess fat (most of you would probably be pretty surprised by how small/subtle a visual difference 20 pounds up from ideal actually makes when spread across my 5'4" frame, and probably would never notice the difference if you were someone who saw me walking around/running my errands on the daily) is "massively overweight" and an indication that the entire person is horribly defective, likely in some irreparable way.
On the whole, I highly doubt overweight people are any more severely steeped in sin, or less repentant, or more stupid, or more crazy, than thin people. The main difference is that the specific consequences of their various behaviors are highly visible to others.
(There are even some people who are very slothful or very gluttonous - bearing in mind that overeating is only one of the ways in which the sin of gluttony manifests - and still end up looking normal/healthy from the outside for various reasons.)
It is fine to not want to marry a fatty based on the limitations of what one finds attractive and practically suitable.
It is unwise, uncharitable, and at least as ugly as cankles, to project a greater measure of sin/brokenness/unrepentance onto others based on the fact that we find them physically unattractive.
Thread 'Physical Fatness' https://www.rooshvforum.com/threads/physical-fatness.42358/
For a Catholic, prayers to Saints are petitions that they will intercede on our behalf, and pray for us. In doing so, it is not unlike praying for a friend on earth who needs help, or asking another friend on earth to pray for you, when you need help. I hope this helps answer your question.
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Remember:
1. The rich man speaking to Abraham when he died.
2. Jesus reiterating that He is not the God of the dead, but the living
3. Moses and Elijah speaking to Christ at His transfiguration
4. Isaiah spoke to God among the Heavenly council in Isaiah chapter 6
5. Twice in Revelation are prayers of saints mentioned
6. Prayer does not equal worship
Through these we see that the saints are alive, in communion with God, and are very close to Him, and they are aware of our affairs here on Earth. This is why we pray to saints. Imagine if you were to face a judge, wouldn't it be prudent to be on good terms with his mother for example, or at least his friends, in the hope that she or they will intercede for you?
The Mother of God interceded at the Wedding at Cana and persuaded her Son to perform His first public miracle, despite Him telling her that it was not yet His time. Do not underestimate her prayers or those of the saints.
Also as a warning, asking questions is fine, but this is not a forum for heated theological debates or veiled criticisms of Orthodoxy.
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Great answer. I learned from it.
Just wanted to add something from the Apostle's Creed "I believe... in the communion of the saints..."
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I can't find the word "trinity" in the Bible either. But I still accept the doctrine of a triune God.
Also, even though Christ is the only way to the father, I still ask other Christians to pray for me. Don't you?
How dare you not accept solo scriptora response... Dont you know that the bible came up out of nowhere without any Church Tradition?
It just compiled itself into being....
Seriously though.... There is a huge misunderstanding about saints among many protestants, and I don't know why it's such a hard thing to get on board with.L
I heard on a radio program that communion of the saints was settled church doctrine even before the divinity of Christ! (which was definitively settled at the first council of Nicaea in 325, with the condemnation of Arianism).
Except for rare exceptions, large age gaps only work in a traditional society. It doesn't work when people of both sexes fritter away their youth. Men can't do that and then expect to get a young woman and be able to build a family with her.
Two of my great-grandfathers married younger women - who were their second wives. It used to be that both men and women married young. After the death of a wife, the man would often remarry because he needed someone to take care of the children. In many cases, the man in his thirties or forties was still mourning his first wife and not really that interested in marrying that 18-year-old. He remarried because he couldn't handle the farm work, the house work, and the children by himself. She was young because that was what was available.
Metropolitan Neophytos of Morphou said in one of his videos that his father's first wife died when she was 27. He remarried at the age of 32 (so he was probably 4 years older than his first wife) to Met. Neophytos' mother, who was 19. He married her because his children needed a mother. After he married her and brought her home, he told her that he didn't love her and that his first wife was prettier. It didn't take him long to fall in love with her, and they had a good marriage, but initially he was still in love with his first wife and only married the second one for the children.
Men married young and took on the responsibility for a wife and children. That matured them in a way that the childfree bachelor life simply does not. Today, men and women both are forming bad habits and accumulating spiritual damage throughout their 20's and 30's that make family formation almost impossible.