33 Things Christian Men Should Know About Women

Danvil

Chicken
Catholic
33? You're baiting us.....

Good list. An interesting test for the emotional framework of a woman you are dating is the 'Broken Glass' test. How does she react and treat you when you break a glass/plate? How she reacts speaks volumes about who she is and how she feels about you and the world around her.

I've been married for 45 years to the same woman and breaking glass freaks out my otherwise very generous, loyal and hardworking wife. I would say that the "broken glass test" isn't one of the best tests for everyone, since everyone is different. I can't remember how she reacted to a broken dish before we were married since that was over 45 years ago.

Another such test is the "Overflowing Toilet Test". My wife panics on the few occasions this has happened. Again, what sets off one person, doesn't bother another one. I think you have to look at the totality of a person.

Having a wife who doesn't hold grudges and is an upbeat person covers a multitude of other negatives. A sullen, resentful person will drag you down and make life miserable. If your potential wife has these traits, run!
 

Juan777

Pigeon
Protestant
Originally posted on RooshV.com

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A common lament from chaste Orthodox men I meet is their lack of experience in dealing with women who are more socialized than them. How can these men understand women, identify one with strong faith, and make confident decisions concerning marriage? As an unmarried middle-aged man, I stress to them how I’m not in a better situation, but they nonetheless feel that I can give them profitable lessons in their quest to enter an Orthodox marriage due to my excessive secular experience.

I have tried to be thoughtful about what I’m about to share so as not to interfere with God’s will in bringing together man and woman in one flesh within the Church sacrament of marriage, because most of my experiences with women took place sinfully outside of marriage, causing me to lose all manner of healthy child-like innocence when viewing the opposite sex. I do not consider myself bitter, but I am surely cynical from partaking in behaviors that went against the commandments of God for so many years. If you perceive undue pessimism or even anger in my words, it is due to the damage I inflicted upon myself, not because God made a mistake in how he constructed man or woman. If you participate in evil for a prolonged period of time, you will carry distorted views of reality even long after repentance.

It could be possible that a secular woman you have feelings for will possess every negative trait I’m about to describe. When a woman lacks spiritual life, she does not struggle against her passions and sins, or even think they are wrong. On the other hand, the Orthodox women I’ve met and observed possess at least a basic desire for moral goodness, and will automatically be more suitable for marriage. However, some Orthodox women are more zealous than others, and they all swim in a putrid secular fishbowl. The tainted water corrupts us without our conscious awareness, and so it’s not uncommon for an Orthodox woman to possess deep-seated secular beliefs that can strain a marriage. You must be discerning when it comes to identifying any beliefs that would be detrimental to maintaining a Christian family home.

I will often use the secular word “game” in this article. Game is a collection of psychological and behavioral techniques to attract a woman physically and emotionally for the purpose of fornication and fleshly pair bonding. Game includes: approaching an unknown woman in a public place while play-acting as a confident man, optimizing one’s aesthetic so that it pleases worldly woman, using salesman techniques of rapport building and scarcity to make a fast “sale,” hiding flaws while showcasing strengths, deliberately pumping up a woman’s emotions, lying, omitting the truth, putting a woman in a negative state of anxiety or dread to modulate her attractive feelings, and exploiting a woman’s human weaknesses for selfish gain.

In the game process, God is absent, and the primary goal of the man is to satisfy his selfish craving for positive female attention, worldly love, and physical pleasure. Even if you claim to desire abstinence before marriage, you can still be using game by implementing secular techniques to meet women, get their phone number, arrange dates, and so on. A sign you are not using game is if you adhere to the old cliché “be yourself,” where yourself is a child of God who follows His commandments with the understanding that marriage is a sacrament whose purpose is to usher two souls into heaven. The Christian way is to trust in God to pair you with a woman who is on your social and spiritual level instead of pretending to be an alpha male to deceive a woman into liking you using mostly physical and psychological means.

That said, here is a list of general guidance for men who want to pick the right woman for marriage in an Orthodox courtship where the man clearly expresses to the woman beforehand that no intimacy can take place until they are united in one flesh through the Church sacrament of marriage.

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This is such a liberating article. I'll review this again several times. What I may see as a curse of not having game is actually really a blessing in disguise. Therefore, it is a good thing not to have game, not to be able to appeal to women's lower nature and to keep in mind the fear of God in these matters. Its easy to read things where you are not so doing well and feel good about it. But hard to read things that pertain to the mind, soul and thoughts and what you are looking at for entertainment. Very hard indeed. But that is the point. If we cherry pick what is easy and ignore the hard, then it becomes more like a cope then the real thing.
 

EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
I've been married for 45 years to the same woman and breaking glass freaks out my otherwise very generous, loyal and hardworking wife. I would say that the "broken glass test" isn't one of the best tests for everyone, since everyone is different. I can't remember how she reacted to a broken dish before we were married since that was over 45 years ago.

Another such test is the "Overflowing Toilet Test". My wife panics on the few occasions this has happened. Again, what sets off one person, doesn't bother another one. I think you have to look at the totality of a person.

Having a wife who doesn't hold grudges and is an upbeat person covers a multitude of other negatives. A sullen, resentful person will drag you down and make life miserable. If your potential wife has these traits, run!
Every test like this that I've ever seen is something that either I would fail or Treebeard would. We've been married over 20 years.
 

blahblahblah

Chicken
Catholic
Ive recently met a women who is Christian but I'm not sure if shes repentant of her past sex life. Ive told her that I wont have sex before marriage and she was very positive about it and is willing to wait for me. She admitted that she isnt a virgin, has had 2 serious relationships as recently as last summer. But I fear shes is just doing it for me and not for God. Is this a bad thing? Though I guess it shows shes willing to deny herself for me but I question how serious she is about her faith. Ive been thinking of asking her the question of "If we were serious and I came on to you would you stop me?". Is this an appropraite question to ask?
 
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Roosh

Cardinal
Orthodox
Ive recently met a women who is Christian but I'm not sure if shes repentant of her past sex life. Ive told her that I wont have sex before marriage and she was very positive about it and is willing to wait for me. She admitted that she isnt a virgin, has had 2 serious relationships as recently as last summer. But I fear shes is just doing it for me and not for God. Is this a bad thing? Though I guess it shows shes willing to deny herself for me but I question how serious she is about her faith. Ive been thinking of asking her the question of "If we were serious and I came on to you would you stop me?". Is this an appropraite question to ask?
Does she have an active spiritual life?
 

blahblahblah

Chicken
Catholic
Does she have an active spiritual life?
Yes she does. She used to be a catechism teacher. And goes to Church every Sunday and prays and watches sermons online. Shes only lived in the US for 4 years having left her parents from Mexico to "learn and grow." But she doesnt strike me as a "eat, pray ,love" type of girl. Shes very modest and humble all around. Doesnt use social media and just recently tried online dating for the first time and stopped after meeting me. She knows that it is a sin and when I asked her about the sex before marriage thing she essentially said "no man waits before marriage nowadays, so I dont." She lost her virginity at 21 and said she only gave herself up after she thought he would marry her.
 
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Going strong

Hummingbird
Orthodox
Gold Member
She doesn't use social media and just recently tried online dating for the first time and stopped after meeting me

Sadly, many clever, fast-adapting women have learned to say exactly this above, to unsuspecting religious, Conservative men. Though, it might also be true, everything is possible.

Quoting you : "If we were serious and I came on to you would you stop me?". Is this an appropriate question to ask?"

I think it's a somewhat clumsy, and even a bit disrespectful, question to ask. Because she's bound to say or think, " if we are not serious, what am I doing with you? ".
 

PineTreeFarmer

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox Inquirer
The idea that large age gaps are "trad" is anachronistic. Historically both sexes generally married at about 24 years old or so.
I guess it depends on the local population density and propensity for intermarriage with non-similar cultures that populate the same spaces? My dad is pretty adamant people should marry others their own age, and has himself twice.
The ancestors who settled our land 180 years ago on the space we live now were 12 and 25 when they got married, and died on the same day (one after long illness, and his younger wife of a heart attack).
 

Salt and Pepper

Pigeon
Orthodox Inquirer
I guess it depends on the local population density and propensity for intermarriage with non-similar cultures that populate the same spaces? My dad is pretty adamant people should marry others their own age, and has himself twice.
The ancestors who settled our land 180 years ago on the space we live now were 12 and 25 when they got married, and died on the same day (one after long illness, and his younger wife of a heart attack).
There were always exceptions (Particularly in colonial America as you mentioned, America itself is a bit of anomaly in a lot of ways) but this idea that 40 year old dudes marrying 19 year old women is traditional is just fiction honestly. More reminiscent of a sugar daddy/gold digger relationship than anything else.
 

PineTreeFarmer

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox Inquirer
There were always exceptions (Particularly in colonial America as you mentioned, America itself is a bit of anomaly in a lot of ways) but this idea that 40 year old dudes marrying 19 year old women is traditional is just fiction honestly. More reminiscent of a sugar daddy/gold digger relationship than anything else.
That's goofy. And very limiting to the historical potentiality of a younger female mate. I've only ever considered dating a few older men, and I think I am in a better financial situation than any of them were.
 

Kitty Tantrum

Kingfisher
Woman
Trad Catholic
Age gaps have never been normal in the sense that it's what most people did.

But they were traditionally "normal" in the sense that adult women were not infantilized, and their suitors were not likened to abusers and child predators, on account of the difference in age.

There is definitely a modern programmed response where people make assumptions. Everyone is "supposed to" stick to their age-peer group (artificially sorted via age-based grades in school), so if there's an age gap large enough that you could not have attended the same school at the same time, it's WEIRD. It must be for some deviant reason.

My husband must have secretly wanted a child bride, and I must have daddy issues.

Why can't I just have the hots for old men???
 

Salt and Pepper

Pigeon
Orthodox Inquirer
That's goofy. And very limiting to the historical potentiality of a younger female mate. I've only ever considered dating a few older men, and I think I am in a better financial situation than any of them were.
Age gaps have never been normal in the sense that it's what most people did.

But they were traditionally "normal" in the sense that adult women were not infantilized, and their suitors were not likened to abusers and child predators, on account of the difference in age.

There is definitely a modern programmed response where people make assumptions. Everyone is "supposed to" stick to their age-peer group (artificially sorted via age-based grades in school), so if there's an age gap large enough that you could not have attended the same school at the same time, it's WEIRD. It must be for some deviant reason.

My husband must have secretly wanted a child bride, and I must have daddy issues.

Why can't I just have the hots for old men???
Yeah I was a bit rash when writing that post, also now I remember how the media likes to paint stuff like 23 year olds dating 20 year olds as predatory so there's definitely some cultural conditioning at play here. Really my main beef is that everyone just has his presupposition that everyone got married at 14 back in the day (and died at 40) when neither of those things are really true. In fact when the age of marriage went low in Britain the clergy were saying it was a sign of the end times.
 

EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
Age gaps have never been normal in the sense that it's what most people did.

But they were traditionally "normal" in the sense that adult women were not infantilized, and their suitors were not likened to abusers and child predators, on account of the difference in age.

There is definitely a modern programmed response where people make assumptions. Everyone is "supposed to" stick to their age-peer group (artificially sorted via age-based grades in school), so if there's an age gap large enough that you could not have attended the same school at the same time, it's WEIRD. It must be for some deviant reason.

My husband must have secretly wanted a child bride, and I must have daddy issues.

Why can't I just have the hots for old men???
See, this may surprise some people, but I don't have anything against age gaps, if both the spouses like and want that. I don't consider it perverted or deviant for an adult man and an adult woman of very different ages to marry.

What I disagree with is the idea that society should be set up that way.

Both sexes should be getting married young (ideally, women by early 20's, men by mid 20's) and carefully avoiding any occasion of sexual sin both before and after marriage.

Part of our problem nowadays is that people prioritize "fun", experiences, and sometimes education and career throughout their 20's, sometimes their 30's too. Throughout most of history, most people prioritized getting married and making babies in their late teens to early 20's.

It's unrealistic for people, whether men or women, to wait until middle age (or perilously close to it) to get married and then expect to get the kind of person they want. Also, your list of what you must have in a spouse shouldn't get longer as you get older.
 

jatuition

Chicken
Woman
Muslim
Where do you meet women? It would seem that approaching women during the daily activities of life is a waste of time since the chances of them being secular are nearly 100%. Or is this too rash? Then there are church activites but even for myself and many other men Ive heard from finding a women in church under the age of 50 is few a far between. Where there are women they are secular and where there are Christians there are no women.
Most men don't have any skills at all and can barely change a lightbulb or tell the difference between screwdrivers; add excessive porn, video games, and endocrine disruptors to the stew. My great-grandfathers and grandfathers had more practical skills just in their hobbies than many men will ever have nowadays (my great-grandpa thought computers were retarded and told my uncle to look out windows instead of using Windows-- I miss him-- I can only imagine how he would respond to smartphones).

I think God always gives us the right person at the right time, it's just up to us how we respond to it, whether it's putting in some effort or having a change in perspective.

^^ Men on balance have worse career outcomes than women (until women leave workforce to have children), as well as less education. I guarantee you most womans delusion have problem dating a man with a blue collar background like plumber, electrician or welder owning his own business making 100k+. So women will say things like "men don't have any skills", while also saying at the same time "I want to date a guy who has 4-year degree or Masters, at minimum".

What age range are you, @Ah_Tibor?

Men only make the entire economy run. These kinds of conversations make it almost impossible to have a legit discussion. I noticed also that you didn't deny that women don't cook or clean, or offer much (on average) that would make a guy want to marry them.

I suspect most of the issue here comes from what thinks one deserves, to be quite frank. The problem is that this can be quite defined from a man's point of view; for example, you can plug my stats into the standardsbro calculator and know. Most women of this age think they bring xyz but I fail to see it or how she can demonstrate it objectively. I'd like to know what can be (demonstrated objectively), so please tell me if I'm missing something.
I put in data for my husband, whom I met right here on this forum, and he's a .64% specimen. POINT six four lol.
It isn't a problem now. It's just propaganda. 200 years ago we had about 70 million buffalo in North America. They are somewhat bigger than cows and do the same things cows do. So it's not like we added cows to an already large bovine population - the buffalo were nearly wiped out, and simply replaced by cattle.

If large populations of bovines were going to destory the environment, it would have happened hundreds or thousands of years ago already.
 

EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
I put in data for my husband, whom I met right here on this forum, and he's a .64% specimen. POINT six four lol.
How did you meet your husband on the forum when you just signed up today? Inquiring minds want to know...

Edit to add: Maybe your comment was copied from another comment that you were trying to respond to?
 
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EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
Here is a free tool that allows women to see how realistic their american dating standards are for american men, calculated from census data. Hint: their standards are usually highly unrealistic:

https://igotstandardsbro.com/
Well, I entered the stats for my husband from when we got married. This tool that's supposed to help women be realistic called me an aspiring cat lady. It put him at 5%, but apparently that was only because he was poor when we got married. When I changed the income level to match what he makes now, it said he was at 0.56% and called me a cat enthusiast.
 
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Kentucky Gent

Robin
Catholic
Well, I entered the stats for my husband from when we got married. This tool that's supposed to help women be realistic called me an aspiring cat lady. It put him at 5%, but apparently that was only because he was poor when we got married. When I changed the income level to match what he makes now, it said he was at 0.56% and called me a cat enthusiast.
Well, it still is not apparent to me - just what is your attitude towards owning cats? :)
 

EntWife

Kingfisher
Woman
Orthodox
Well, it still is not apparent to me - just what is your attitude towards owning cats? :)
Animals belong outside! My kids are begging for a kitten though. I have a feeling I'll eventually have to give in. When that happens, my husband and kids will band together against me, and the kitten will have to be in the house, just like the puppy already is. I tell you it's awful!
 

Kentucky Gent

Robin
Catholic
Seriously though.... There is a huge misunderstanding about saints among many protestants, and I don't know why it's such a hard thing to get on board with.L
IKR! There is an inconsistency, in their thinking. They believe we have immortal souls, and that there are saints in heaven with direct access to the Holy Trinity, yet just because the physical bodies of these saints are dead, they can't pray anymore?! Doesn't make sense.

The prayers of saints are the best ones! If I had to choose, I'd much rather have a saint praying for me than a sinner.
 
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