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<blockquote data-quote="Slide-Rule" data-source="post: 1462421" data-attributes="member: 21435">Devil's Advocate here...As a Christian, I can tell you that science, and the scientific method is nothing to fear, or discount. Christians, and the Christian worldview, invented the scientific method.In John 1:1, God is described as &quot;Logos&quot; we get our word &quot;Logic&quot; from that Greek word. Christians then said: &quot;God is logical. God must make sense, and the world God created must make sense.&quot; The demonic (and clown world) doesn't make sense. Because God makes sense, and the world God created makes sense, we can test it, and understand it.I fear that in Christianity today there is movement similar to what happened in islam with &quot;Occasionalism&quot;. They did away with cause and effect, at least in islam their &quot;philosophical and theological system&quot; allows for such nonsense when the god they worship is &quot;pure will.&quot; When your answer to every scientific question is: &quot;allah wills it!&quot; Then progress grinds to halt.There is the fact the Scientific Method was invented and firmly established in the 19th century. The Holy Bible was written long before then, c. 1400 BC for Genesis to c. 100 AD with John's Gospel . It was not written as a scientific textbook, and to treat it as such is a misuse of Sacred Scripture. I wouldn't want a Newton's Laws recited in place of the Gospel at Mass, and I wouldn't want Sacred Scriptures read in a scientific classroom or lab.In Christianity, the sort of thinking that happened in islam doesn't work. You're asking me to believe in a God who lies, &quot;It looks like it's old, and everything you can come up with to test it shows it is very old... But really it's only one day old.&quot;That is a lie, and the scientific method should be thrown out entirely.Lying is a sin, and God cannot sin. If God can deceive us about that, then what else can God deceive us about? If you really believe that God CAN LIE, and that God is lying about that, then what else can God lie about? Maybe God is lying about this: &quot;For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.&quot;I think that young-earth creationism is from The Devil himself, meant to horribly distort people's view of The Almighty's Wonderful and Awe-Inspiring Creation. (I also think taking things too far in the other direction and removing The Almighty entirely is equally wrong.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Slide-Rule, post: 1462421, member: 21435"] Devil's Advocate here... As a Christian, I can tell you that science, and the scientific method is nothing to fear, or discount. Christians, and the Christian worldview, invented the scientific method. In John 1:1, God is described as "Logos" we get our word "Logic" from that Greek word. Christians then said: "God is logical. God must make sense, and the world God created must make sense." The demonic (and clown world) doesn't make sense. Because God makes sense, and the world God created makes sense, we can test it, and understand it. I fear that in Christianity today there is movement similar to what happened in islam with "Occasionalism". They did away with cause and effect, at least in islam their "philosophical and theological system" allows for such nonsense when the god they worship is "pure will." When your answer to every scientific question is: "allah wills it!" Then progress grinds to halt. There is the fact the Scientific Method was invented and firmly established in the 19th century. The Holy Bible was written long before then, c. 1400 BC for Genesis to c. 100 AD with John's Gospel . It was not written as a scientific textbook, and to treat it as such is a misuse of Sacred Scripture. I wouldn't want a Newton's Laws recited in place of the Gospel at Mass, and I wouldn't want Sacred Scriptures read in a scientific classroom or lab. In Christianity, the sort of thinking that happened in islam doesn't work. You're asking me to believe in a God who lies, "It looks like it's old, and everything you can come up with to test it shows it is very old... But really it's only one day old." [B]That is a lie, [/B]and the scientific method should be thrown out entirely. Lying is a sin, and God cannot sin. If God can deceive us about that, then what else can God deceive us about? If you really believe that God [B]CAN LIE[/B], and that God is lying about that, then what else can God lie about? Maybe God is lying about this: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." I think that young-earth creationism is from The Devil himself, meant to horribly distort people's view of The Almighty's Wonderful and Awe-Inspiring Creation. (I also think taking things too far in the other direction and removing The Almighty entirely is equally wrong.) [/QUOTE]

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