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4 Reasons Why Lifting In Gyms Is A Bad Idea
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I do prison workouts and helps me avoid the lifting bros at the gym and the women in skimpy attire. Men don't have to go the gym to workout, or associate with gymrats who use steroids to make real gains because of deep-seated personal insecurity. Caring excessively about how you look is vanity anyway.
Testosterone lost due to age and stoppage of secular adultery must be replaced by lifting heavy weights.Originally posted on RooshV.com
For nearly two decades of my life, I would go to the gym two or three times a week. While I never had huge muscles, my body was athletic and toned. Women would compliment it. I want to claim that I went to the gym to be “healthy,” but my true intention was to be attractive to the opposite sex for the purpose of fornication. When I repented of my sins before God and no longer sought fornication, I decided not to go to the gym anymore. As an Orthodox Christian, working out in a gym today would be exceedingly dangerous to me for the following four reasons.
1. The music is filthy
The vehemently secular music that all gyms play is painful to my hymn-loving ears. I don’t want to hear songs about sex, seduction, getting rich, dancing all night in the club, driving expensive cars, and becoming a big boss. Thankfully, I can hardly understand the “English” being sung in most modern songs, especially hip hop, but even then, the Satanically-engineered melody will find a way to worm its way into my brain and remain there for at least a day, distracting my spiritual life with the potential to insert sinful and pornographic ideas.
I strive to listen to no secular music at all, whether modern or oldies, because of how it corrupts my nous (spiritual eyes of the soul). One of the reasons I like shopping at Walmart is because they are one of the only supermarkets I know that don’t usually play music.
2. The women are almost naked
There seems to be a competition among gym-going women to see who can display the most skin without technically being naked according to local ordinances. The arrival of “sports bras,” which are still bras (just because you put the word sports in front of them and remove the lace doesn’t mean they should be displayed publicly), confirmed to me that the gym has become like an antechamber to the brothel bedroom. It’s too natural a progression for people who are sweating in little clothing to become enraptured with carnal lust.
I like to think that I can maintain custody of my eye, but inside the gym, half-naked women cavort all around me, and then enter into compromising positions on their yoga mats which immediately sends my mind into the gutter without conscious effort. Yes, I am admitting that I’m too weak to not glance at these women in bras with gigantic bulbous rear-ends when they bend right in front of me. Before I turned to Christ, I actually saw this as a benefit of any gym, for why not be sexually entertained by women to lustfully prepare for an act of fornication? But now, I run away from it.
3. There are too many mirrors
I never got to the point where my muscles were impressive, but nonetheless I loved looking at my athletic body in the gym mirrors. I wouldn’t go so far as flex or take selfies of myself, but I would puff out my chest and check out a profile of my body that incorporated my long masculine beard. I’d wonder if I achieved a good-enough pump where the vein in my bicep would remain popped out so that I could later wear an extra-medium v-neck before going to the nightclub for my satanic liturgy.
Since all gyms coat the walls in mirrors, my time in them exercised my pride as much as my body. I came to believe that I have achieved a physical state that was admirable, and that I was better than all the fat people who didn’t go to the gym, including the puny men I would out-compete for sexual favors at the midnight hour. My bulging vein (only in my right arm, not my left) was proof to women that I was a superior male.
The mirrors were my teachers. Over many years, they taught me that my look is the most important part of me, that I had to cherish it if I wanted to continue receiving sexual benefits, and I could maybe consider getting botox injections when I became older to still be sexually attractive to young European women. It encouraged me to focus exclusively on the material. These days, I don’t look in mirrors much and don’t fuss over my appearance. Worldly women don’t look at me either, which I am grateful for, because I know I am only one temptation away from falling back into the mud.
4. Desire to get bigger and bigger muscles for no practical reason
You’re never the biggest guy at the gym. There’s always someone who lifts more than you, or who has a better steroid supplier than you, so you will constantly aim to compare yourself to other men to subliminally attract the half-naked women that aggregate around the butt machines. Your body is fine as it is, you’re healthy, but pride ignites within you to be even bigger and stronger, not to lift heavy things outside of the gym, but solely to lift heavier things within the construct of the gym itself to make you think that your body, given to you by God, is an achievement of your own. This temptation makes you a slave to the gym, and begins to cross over into real life as you develop a neurotic obsession with eating the right foods in the right amount. Instead of working out to be fit, you consider waking up in the middle of the night to gulp down a protein shake or eat a chicken breast just to look good in the gym mirror.
Conclusion
Does all this mean I’m anti-fitness? Certainly not. In the neighborhood playground I do callisthenic training a couple of times each week, where my body weight is used as resistance instead of metal plates. I haven’t been inside a gym in three years, and my muscles are certainly weaker, but I’m still alive and able to serve my daily duties before God, which mostly involve reading, writing, praying, and baking. I don’t need engorged muscles for those activities.
For me to go into a gym today, I would need to cover my eyes and ears to not fall back into the world of the material. Every man should ask himself why he wants to go to the gym and get big. Is it to achieve more from the world or to achieve a healthy physical state that optimizes his worship of God? For the role God has given me, where I use my mind more than my body, my modest workouts in the playground are good enough. For most men, push-ups, pull-ups, sit-ups, and bodyweight squats will be all they need to stay fit and slim into old age.
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Localised pain and degenerating joints will surprisingly be slowly improved with lifting/exerting to failure with methodical and deliberate lifting/exerting methods.
Its crucial to have high testosterone as a man.
Men must protect.
Protection instincts are lost with low T.
Low T men will instinctively attract High T women. High T women recognise Low T men when the man's shoulders and body dimensions are less than golden ratio.
Also, High T women recognise Low T men when the man cannot physically defend in a protection scenario.
Society does not need anymore of this please and thank you.
I agree with refusing public gyms.
An at-home heavy weightlifting gym is dire.
Some men can be in their late sixties before being able to afford a complete at-home heavy weightlifting gym setup.
No matter, God will provide. Do not stop doing the work. Believe He loves you and He wants you as masculine as possible to attract as feminine as possible of a woman.
I've touched on this in other threads. If your Testosterone is low, you are not going to feel well, period. It will rob you of your enthusiasm to be productive. Men over 40 should consult with their doctor, get tested and prescribed injections or creams by their doctor as needed.
As for gyms, there are some popping up these days for hardcore guys. These places have fewer women prancing around half naked to distract you.
Having a great physique is a signal to those around you that you work hard, sacrifice and achieve. It helps you with a variety of things from courtship to job interviews. It also sends a message to would be trouble makers and criminals that attacking you would be a very bad idea for them.
No injections if you still want kids.
Go the natural route first. Clean up the diet and your water source (reverse osmosis system). Sleep well. Check out CarnivoreMD on YouTube for more insight. The dude has a reported T of over 900.
It is very hard and unrealistic for Orthodox men to follow a heavily meat-centered diet, when we fast 190+ days per year.
This is true, but I've also heard some Orthodox being granted economia for health reasons to pursue alternative diets, especially when it comes to autoimmune diseases. We live in strange times health-wise, so I get the impression that priests now are more willing to allow the laity to experiment with different diets, if it benefits their overall health. If it's what stops them from having higher T and a more productive life, then it might be worth a short-term sacrifice, then perhaps later on more vegan fasts can be introduced once their baseline health has improved.
I haven't really had that conversation with my priest so far. I'm willing to do the fasts no problem, but I do also want to build some muscle so we'll see how that goes.
I had been doing workouts from home previously and I want to continue ideally, but there have been space limitations recently that have forced me to seek out a public gym. I'm trying to find the most based, masculine and women-less place I can. The more independent the gym, the better it seems.
I'm trying out one with a swimming pool today on a free trial, I'm not sure if that's such a wise thing but we'll see what the vibe is like there.
I’m a big advocate of minimalist training, especially if you’re orthodox and don’t want it to become an idol. If you’re drug-free you really do not need to be in the gym 5+ days a week, it’s a monumental waste of time. Don’t let online fitness gurus con you into spending hours in the gym striving for a physique you’ll never have without drugs.
Calisthenics is a good choice if you want to avoid the gym, and it incentivises you to stay lean and not fall into the obesity and poor health that afflicts many drug-free amateur powerlifters.
I currently hit the weights twice a week and in summer I do calisthenics outdoors.
Calisthenics is a good choice if you want to avoid the gym, and it incentivises you to stay lean and not fall into the obesity and poor health that afflicts many drug-free amateur powerlifters.
I currently hit the weights twice a week and in summer I do calisthenics outdoors.
Well you do eat, correct?
Many people do intermittent fasting on a similar diet, so it just depends on how extensive your fasting regime is compared to this.
There's nothing wrong with going to a gym regularly. Who are you to say that's a waste of time if someone enjoys it. It seems to me to be a very condescending attitude and requires a lot of assumptions and generalizations about the person's goals and motivation.
With all due respect, if you think powerlifting drug-free causes obesity, then you really don't know what you're talking about. The obese ones you're talking about are usually SHW's that are on a ton of drugs, the lighter weight classes are usually very lean.
Clearly you are not familiar with what an Orthodox fast entails.
If you enjoy going to the gym for an hour and a half 6 days a week then go ahead, I had the same or better results doing far less.
Also I’m talking about your genetically average gym-goer, not some Korean teenager pulling 4x BW when he’s 17. A lot of natty powerlifters who have their perspective skewed by instagram freaks/juicers and think that they can deadlift 600lbs while weighing 185 @ 9% bodyfat.
I’m not saying natty powerlifting causes obesity, but I certainly think many lifters get waaaay fatter than they realise chasing big numbers. I know from experience that when you have big shoulders and chest, you can delude yourself that you’re only 18% bodyfat when you’re 25%
EDIT: ultimately from an orthodox perspective, I reached a point where I concluded that it’s not worth it. I could bench close to 300lbs, deadlift 500 and squat about 465. Increasing my lifts further is doable, but it would require lifting being a massive focus and basically a second full-time job. I’m also just not genetically gifted enough to get bigger numbers without sacrificing my blood pressure and general health
Clearly you're taking the meat thing to an extreme in terms of dieting. There isn't only one way to go about this.
Well, instead of getting mad, you could always explain why you have a problem with it. If you've got a problem with protein sources, I'm sure you know shellfish is allowed year round, that is, if you're not allergic.
That's a good point, at least for powerlifting 3-4 days is probably best and bodybuilding maybe 4-5, anymore than that and it's not going to give you any meaningful progress and lead to overtraining.
For trying to reach elite numbers for sure. I meant more for someone who just enjoys training but doesn't have aspirations of that unless they already have good genetics and will go over to the dark side.
That's true as well and to some extent some fluff helps your leverages, although I'd say at 25% bodyfat you'd definitely have a better DOTS cutting a lot of that bf and dropping into the next lower weight class.
Those are some pretty good numbers, what weight were you at? I took issue more when looking at what you were saying from a different perspective, as opposed to someone chasing unrealistic numbers just someone who enjoys working out and understands better the truth with needing steroids to reach a certain level of muscle mass, physique or total. I would agree that there are people deluded by that and they really should just hop on gear if they really want to get there, or re-assess their goals to be more sustainable and reasonable. I competed in a powerlifting meet last year and am going to do another one in 6 months.
I know I'll never be at the elite level and if you look at someone like John Haack, he hit almost an 1800 total at 181 (657/441/694) after just powerlifting for a few years and allegedly completely natural at that point. Which is kind of believable considering how high his numbers jumped once he started lifting in the USPA. I could take all the drugs in the world and never come close to his numbers. I still think it's fun to compete and gives me long-term goals that motivate me to be more consistent in exercising and with my health, as well as just look at it as I'm competing with myself to hit new pr's. Before I started doing that I'd been lifting off and on since high school and love it. It's been very good for my mental and physical health, and has served as an outlet. My dad is the same way where even in his 50's he regularly goes to the gym. He doesn't ego-lift and mostly sticks to machines now, but I can't see myself ever stopping completely until I'm in a wheelchair.
Home gym is the master race. I was considering some days ago to just use the one my apartment has that almost no one uses, but my mother didn't want me to waste the 1 year gym subscription. My gym gets really annoying sometimes with the loud normies and the roasties wearing the most disgusting clothes possible.
They also played [AFRO-BRAZILIAN] excellence music (look up "Brazilian funk" or "funk brasileiro" on YouTube and see the translated lyrics, it's way worse than even the most tame American rap songs) on fridays for a long time, but they seem to have stopped now, or they only play it at the peak hours. It was gross seeing someone take their babies there, and in the same day, they played said music.
I'm currently going at 4 PM to avoid seething at normies the whole time, but at that time it's 90% roasties without a job going. Still better than peak normie hours, and I usually don't have to do literally nothing because all the machines are occupied.
They also played [AFRO-BRAZILIAN] excellence music (look up "Brazilian funk" or "funk brasileiro" on YouTube and see the translated lyrics, it's way worse than even the most tame American rap songs) on fridays for a long time, but they seem to have stopped now, or they only play it at the peak hours. It was gross seeing someone take their babies there, and in the same day, they played said music.
I'm currently going at 4 PM to avoid seething at normies the whole time, but at that time it's 90% roasties without a job going. Still better than peak normie hours, and I usually don't have to do literally nothing because all the machines are occupied.
I just tried out a free day pass at a local gym yesterday. The dance music is unbearable for me, personally. It was not as bad as your description, but still enough to make me have second thoughts over this particular gym. I'm not sure if there will ever be a gym without music these days? I think it's mainly because the women are there, if it was all dudes they'd probably be content with no music, i imagine. Most people just have their headphones in anyway i noticed, so it's pretty much pointless having it on in the background.
Ideally I would have a home gym but I'm in a similar situation to you, and struggle to find a dedicated space at home.
I might consider getting industrial ear plugs or those ear muffs you get on building sites that eliminate the sound... that might make it more bearable for me. But it's not a permanent solution, and i'll still be able to use my eyes and see all the degenerate promiscuous women in there craving male attention.
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First time I come across this thread. What Roosh outlined were the very reasons I built myself a 300 sqft wood shed and turned it into my own personal gym in the middle of the forest. It's pure heaven, no demonic music or annoying or borderline satanic distractions are allowed. Not everyone can afford this obviously but before I completed it I worked out in the forest for over a year. A simple pull-up bar you can strap to a tree will get you in awesome shape, while you enjoy the singing of the birds and rustling of the wind in the trees.