5-MeO-DMT - The God Molecule

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Kinko

 
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RE: 5-MeO-DMT

"Entities poking are elements found in ALL mythologies and traditions around the world. Currently it has morphed into "anal probes" and poking around the brain done by Grey and Lizard aliens."

See why do you want to experience any of this? Anal probes, poking your brain, and... Lizard Aliens? Seriously?

Just be sure to have a hot girlfriend that is into hard psychedelics because in my opinion the direction your interests are headed are super weird. It does not sound like you will be getting much female intamacy. All the Terrance McKenna books in the world won't convince me its fun to be viscously abducted by anal probing lizard aliens.

I must have grown up because hallucinogenic exploration is just not that enlightening for me anymore.

You want to see lizards? Go to a pet store

You want to talk with a wise women? Call you grandma

You want to be anal probed? Go to a gay bar?

Another thing, why not try hallucinogenic mushrooms? I have tripped on shrooms several times and they were okay. I had wild growing Liberty Caps in Canada.
 

monster

Pelican
Kinko said:
Example, if you have a pissed off cat in your house near where your lab is, that can go into the brew.

Keep your dogs and cats away from this man! He will turn them into drugs that will make you see lizard people! :D :D :D
 

sterling_archer

Hummingbird
Why are you using a condescending tone when I didn't ever said I want to be "anal probed" or that I want "brain poked".
I said these things as they are common elements in abduction scenarios, which are very similar to some psychedelic experiences.
I don't have need for experiencing such fucked up things. There are other ways to explore harmless aspects of non physical realities.

P.S. These mushrooms don't grow in Balkan area and I am not keen on using Amanita muscaria because of its potential toxicity and generally I found it to be rare around here.
 

Kinko

 
Banned
(Laughing from monster)

What if sterling archer took a few nice doses of 5-meo-dmt as rectal suppositories, and then insufflated a few fatty lines of Modafinil to really get the show on the road. Then once the visuals kick in he can watch youtubes of Alex Jones ranting about grey aliens that abduct people so they can anal probe them and inject nano machine insects and lizards into his brain.
 
BB1 said:
Have any RVF members taken 5-MeO-DMT, the so called God Molecule? If so, did the experience lead to any improvements in your lifestyle or psychological health? How do the 5-MeO benefits compare to the benefits of an Ayahuasca experience?

I've done DMT probably 15-20 times over the past several years and I can personally say that the trip is more intense, spiritual, and reality-shattering than any other psychedelic I have tried. While the journey itself lasts no more than 5 minutes (with visual and mental effects lasting up to 20 minutes), it can transport you to a different universe. Each person will have a drastically different experience, but it is well-worth the trouble if you are spiritually curious and mentally-strong enough to handle the experience.

On a related note, the highest I have ever been was when I took two tabs of good acid and smoked DMT for almost an hour straight. I didn't know that it was possible to get that high. A buddy and I were on the couch, tripping together. We traveled through the universe together, eating cotton candy flavored clouds along the way. I was literally laying on the couch with my mouth open, chomping at the air like some sort of mental patient.

The taste and feeling was so vivid, I actually thought I flying through the stars and eating candy, getting higher with each bite. It was like one of those anti-drug ads. I thought getting that high was pure Hollywood propaganda. And this is coming from someone who once dropped a 5-strip of acid at once.

I will note though that DMT is the foulest-tasting smoke I have ever tasted. It smells like burnt plastic. Also, be careful of how you acquire it. 95%+ of the "DMT" sold on the streets is fake. You have to know someone who makes it.

Lastly, I have never done Ayahuasca, so I can't make a comparison. I actually made a batch a couple of years ago after smoking DMT several times, but I knew at the time I wasn't mentally prepared for the physical and emotional horrors that come with that journey, so I passed. Still waiting for the right time.
 

monster

Pelican
Kinko said:
(Laughing from monster)

What if sterling archer took a few nice doses of 5-meo-dmt as rectal suppositories, and then insufflated a few fatty lines of Modafinil to really get the show on the road. Then once the visuals kick in he can watch youtubes of Alex Jones ranting about grey aliens that abduct people so they can anal probe them and inject nano machine insects and lizards into his brain.

That would only happen if there happened to be pissed off cats around while you were making that brew!
 

Kinko

 
Banned
"I was literally laying on the couch with my mouth open, chomping at the air like some sort of mental patient."

This experience you describe is enough to cause psychiatric injury. I am sure you are okay and had a fun experience but being that messed up on tryptomines is not so smart.

Yeah working with making DMT at home takes practice. Testing other peoples batches can be totally unknown. Dangerous even. Its probably not superstition when I say some batches get bad vibes in the crystals while others are purely golden.

For DMT Ask a real chemist. I am not a chemist.

I think 5-meo-dmt is mostly made in professional labs. Which is probably safer and cleaner more professional and standardized product.

When you buy nn-dmt from Hippie Johnny who knows what you are going to get.

Re: "dropped a 5-strip of acid at once"

Taking that much LSD is irresponsible and also that is plenty enough to cause health problems including social, mental and physical. Its just such a powerful experience you have to remember your health is not invincible. Taking more is not better. Im sure you had some fun and lived okay but LSD is better at much much smaller dosages like one tab or less, depending upon the strength on the paper.
 

Kinko

 
Banned
"That would only happen if there happened to be pissed off cats around while you were making that brew!"

Its a simple process that takes a few days for each batch probably more if I remember correctly. I did it all in a kitchen with lots of glass jars. No cats in my house.

I think brewing the ayahuasca leaves and vine mix is way easier. I tried that at least once. It tastes like vomit if I remember correctly.

Another idea is making a mescaline drink from cactus. Its probably a much better experience then DMT. My dad used to be a cactus user.
 
Kinko said:
"I was literally laying on the couch with my mouth open, chomping at the air like some sort of mental patient."

This experience you describe is enough to cause psychiatric injury. I am sure you are okay and had a fun experience but being that messed up on tryptomines is not so smart.

Yeah, mixing 'cid and DMT at the same time wasn't the greatest idea. I enjoyed the experience, but wouldn't go there again. Maybe some changa with 'cid though...

On its own, you don't really have to worry about smoking too much DMT. You drop into the trip within 3 or 4 hits, and its not really possible to take more once you blast off.

Re: "dropped a 5-strip of acid at once"

Taking that much LSD is irresponsible and also that is plenty enough to cause health problems including social, mental and physical. Its just such a powerful experience you have to remember your health is not invincible. Taking more is not better. Im sure you had some fun and lived okay but LSD is better at much much smaller dosages like one tab or less, depending upon the strength on the paper.

Ehh... I have no regrets about this and would do so again. I took the strip with the intent of going deep within myself and I did. I went through a lot of personal strife over the previous couple of years. I worked through it on my own and was ready to look towards the future. The trip was a chance get in touch with my deeper thoughts and motivations. It was incredibly rewarding.

On a side note, I had just finished reading Wittgenstein's Tractatus and lead to a crazy train of thought at one point. Just fascinating.
 

scorpion

Hummingbird
Gold Member
Let's look at this logically. There are two possibilities regarding DMT and other psychedelic drugs:

1) They actually do open some sort of psychological portal to another plane of reality that we cannot experience with our normal consciousness.

2) They simply make you unbelievably fucking high, inducing what is essentially temporary insanity.

Most people interested in DMT lean toward the first possibility and take it explicitly for this purpose, which I find utterly perplexing. If it is truly the case that DMT opens your consciousness to another realm, should you not be the least bit concerned? You would be opening up your mind to spiritual beings whose power is far beyond yours, and you would be doing so while your mind was essentially incapacitated and incapable of responding normally. What in the world would give you the confidence to presume that these mysterious beings have your best interest in mind? I will just be blunt: it's very likely that these "spiritual beings" you encounter on a DMT trip are demonic entities. There is no reason to trust them, and there is no reason to trust yourself to be able to intelligently respond to whatever sort of influence they exert on you while your mind is completely impaired by the drug and open to them.

I regard these sort of psychedelic excursions as utter foolishness and the height of hubris. Intentionally submitting your weakened mind/spirit to the influence of demonic entities has to be one of the dumbest activities possible. It would be like taking a boat out to shark infested waters, dumping a bunch of chum in the water and gleefully doing a cannonball off the side of the boat. Utterly stupid. You have no idea what you're playing with. You are utterly powerless and at their mercy in that realm. These illusions of enlightenment are just that: illusions. You return to the normal world thinking you've expanded your consciousness and gained a new perspective. But you actually have no idea what really happened, or what sort of influence was exerted on your unconscious mind by the beings you encountered. You think everything was cool, but who knows what sort of seeds they planted deep in your subconscious mind while you were distracted with all the strange sights and sounds.
 
scorpion said:
Let's look at this logically. There are two possibilities regarding DMT and other psychedelic drugs:

1) They actually do open some sort of psychological portal to another plane of reality that we cannot experience with our normal consciousness.

2) They simply make you unbelievably fucking high, inducing what is essentially temporary insanity.

Yeah, I think that psychedelics can be a spiritual or enlightening experience if done correctly, but they don't open some sort of portal to another universe. They make you high as all fucking hell.

Depending on the particular drug and setting, you can undergo a change in the way that you think and your brain establishes connections. This can be useful in the sense that it forces you to look at your life or a particular situation differently. It could elicit a genuinely insightful and helpful answer to a difficult question. You could also sober up and realize that your dumbass was just watching your own reflection in the TV screen for four six hours.
 

sterling_archer

Hummingbird
If you are not an atheist and believe in lets say soul and afterlife then this is what happens.

Soul is the passive element of Creation and in order for Soul to experience various universes it needs to create vessels in them. Its obvious that our physical body is one of such vessels according to belief. There also other types of bodies, all non-physical, which dwell in other planes of reality. These other vessels are for 99,9% of people completely unreachable. I know of very few people who made complete connection.
Interesting thing is that our awareness is commonly centered around physical universe, but it shifts during REM phase of sleep to other reality. There is reason for that, but its offtopic.

What ingesting/smoking psychedelic substance makes is that it shifts awareness. That is all. So entities that you encounter belong to a reality where your Soul already has some kind of imprint (vessel).
Demons are something completely different and you don't encounter them on regular basis. I recommend youtube channel "Styxhexenhammer666" for that, guy is one of the rare people I noticed who really knows what he is talking about.

It is interesting that negative experiences are found when ingesting artificially made substances. So that is a message of some sort. Don't do chemical shit.
Also thing I didn't mention before is that people could be punished by their own subconsciousness while using particular substance, mostly when their intention is to get "high" and "fucked up".
Use the real thing. Psilocybe mexicana, Ayahuasca, Salvia divinorum, Tabernanthe iboga, etc.
 

The Beast1

Peacock
Orthodox Inquirer
Gold Member
For anyone interested, take a look at this thread:
https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-48963-page-3.html

Best quote from it:
Loving and obeying God and being in general a good person is pre-requisite for working magic.
Standard procedure before the operations is to eat a vegetarian diet for at least a week and do a 1-3 days water fast, besides praying and meditating.
This will ensure your perception is enhanced and you are pure enough to summon spirits.
Another essential item for many is to consume an entheogen (such as magic mushrooms, ayahuasca, peyote, etc) for your operations. They greatly enhance the astral senses and will enable you to see and hear (or comunicate in other manners) with the spirits you summon.

I've meditated on shrooms before. The things you see with your eyes closed are even nutter than the stuff you see eyes open. That's all i'm going to say.
 

sterling_archer

Hummingbird
Read the thread you linked. Agree with author of the post you linked except on the bolded sentence. Its not essential if done prerequisites such as described in the works of Franz Bardon for example (mental, psychic training). But he is probably right when he said "for many".

P.S. I like your comment regarding double slit experiment. I don't agree with intelligent particles being actual deceptive spirits but doesn't matter as quantum physics proves that official story of "hard matter is all there is" is total bullshit. Quantum physics is one of the few mainstream sciences that actually got close to non physical realities, but it doesn't know that yet.
 

Gorgiass

Kingfisher
Gold Member
scorpion said:
Let's look at this logically. There are two possibilities regarding DMT and other psychedelic drugs:

1) They actually do open some sort of psychological portal to another plane of reality that we cannot experience with our normal consciousness.

2) They simply make you unbelievably fucking high, inducing what is essentially temporary insanity.

Most people interested in DMT lean toward the first possibility and take it explicitly for this purpose, which I find utterly perplexing. If it is truly the case that DMT opens your consciousness to another realm, should you not be the least bit concerned? You would be opening up your mind to spiritual beings whose power is far beyond yours, and you would be doing so while your mind was essentially incapacitated and incapable of responding normally. What in the world would give you the confidence to presume that these mysterious beings have your best interest in mind? I will just be blunt: it's very likely that these "spiritual beings" you encounter on a DMT trip are demonic entities. There is no reason to trust them, and there is no reason to trust yourself to be able to intelligently respond to whatever sort of influence they exert on you while your mind is completely impaired by the drug and open to them.

I regard these sort of psychedelic excursions as utter foolishness and the height of hubris. Intentionally submitting your weakened mind/spirit to the influence of demonic entities has to be one of the dumbest activities possible. It would be like taking a boat out to shark infested waters, dumping a bunch of chum in the water and gleefully doing a cannonball off the side of the boat. Utterly stupid. You have no idea what you're playing with. You are utterly powerless and at their mercy in that realm. These illusions of enlightenment are just that: illusions. You return to the normal world thinking you've expanded your consciousness and gained a new perspective. But you actually have no idea what really happened, or what sort of influence was exerted on your unconscious mind by the beings you encountered. You think everything was cool, but who knows what sort of seeds they planted deep in your subconscious mind while you were distracted with all the strange sights and sounds.

I view a trip as a temporary rewiring of neural pathways. However, I have had some extradimensional experiences, for lack of a better word, and whether temporary insanity or real, the sense wasn't that I was exposing my mind to a new realm but rather perceiving one that was present at all times and simply flying above my radar. Patterns in material, as well as patterns of behavior in people I knew, which I never noticed before were still there when I came down.

Areas of brain functionality are increased, others are decreased. Tripping around people, whether old friends or new introductions will give a completely different perspective of their mental map, in my experience it's usually a more accurate one than I can generate interacting with someone sober despite a reduced ability to engage in coherent discussion with them. It's especially fascinating to observe strangers interacting at a party or festival, the interpersonal dynamics are exposed as never before. Tripping by oneself can be like looking in at one's own mind from the eyes of a different person - looking at past events and personal behavior it is possible to gain new insight into our own motivations, strengths, and weaknesses. With most hallucinogens, at least at standard recreational dosages, a person has to choose to enter this introspective state, but with others like ibogaine, from what I've read, it seems almost involuntary and can lead to drastic life changes for better (and probably for worse in some cases).

When I was younger it was almost a test of manhood for us - see who could eat the most of some plant or chemical and not completely lose their shit. This was foolish and irresponsible and led to some pretty terrifying experiences as well as some enlightening ones. When I do anything now I make sure that I'm in the right mindset and go into it with a goal of what I hope to achieve from the experience.

We can't even unequivocally state that these visions are anything more than random neuronal firings, there's no reason to assign a demon label to them. I rarely do anything harder than alcohol anymore but when I do trip, for the last decade at least it's been a positive experience every time. Not necessarily a fun experience, but always beneficial, and some of the revelations I've had under the influence have markedly improved my social, psychological, and financial well-being.
 

puckerman

Ostrich
Ayahuasca is not just medicine. It's brain surgery. It's quite powerful, and it is now being found to stimulate the growth of brain cells. It has also been found useful in neurological problems like MS. It has cured addicts and people in depression and with cancer.

In my own experience, ayahuasca destroyed all my anger toward my parents. After several ceremonies, it was just gone.

The most important thing is that like anything powerful, it can also be dangerous. If you respect the medicine, the medicine will respect you. If you disrespect the medicine, the medicine will disrespect you. Fully disclose your medical history with anyone serving you ayahuasca. Be aware of any drugs you may have taken in the past year.

Ayahuasca can interact very dangerously with some herbs like kava and saint john's wort. It also can have dangerous intereactions with alcohol and prescription drugs. SSRI's are especially dangerous and possibly deadly. Even cough syrup can cause lots of problems.

If you have had a heart attack, you shouldn't drink. If you have had a concussion within the past year or so, you probably shouldn't drink either.

Here are some good safety guidelines:

http://www.thewayinn.com/safety-guidelines

http://ayahuascasafety.org/?page_id=13

Ayahuasca is great. Just be careful. And don't be afraid to ask questions or for any help when you need it.

Finally, a good shaman is like a good bartender. He won't serve you any more if he knows you have had enough to drink.
 
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