5-MeO-DMT - The God Molecule

[Kinko]

I like how the discussion has shifted into a safer direction.

About "entities" and "spirits". Not to discount that kind of talk but I would recommend not even thinking that heady and into depth about tripping. Im not saying weird and mean spirits are not real (not at all) but I suggest being more down to earth and not thinking so complicated.

What you want to do is just keep a clean life. Keep a clean body and mind. Keep good relationships. Eat clean. Live a clutter free life. Wear clean clothes.

Dont burn candles and smoke DMT with witchcraft symbols while burning weird herbs, chanting and getting nerdy with crystals, etcetera. People who do that stuff are generally clueless and attracting negativity, and cultivating negative experiences around them. Most of them are poseurs.

I lived with a witch. A black women in a neighborhood with a coven of them. She was a jerk about her craft and she was sort of a newbie, but she was just harsh and mean spirited. That means she was weak. Its a hobby for spoiled brats and bored women.

The strongest witches male or female are extremely attractive and fit and you would never know. They are attractive people and they bring good vibes to others. Its really about kindness and love.

Listen, keep your minds and bodies clean. Keep your house clean and organized. Do nice stuff for people.

Be very careful with DMT crystal. I would avoid it myself.

Also cool report about ayahuasca.

 

[Kinko]

Man if I took enough ayahuasca I would puke so much out about my parents. My dad was a hard core drug user and manipulator who was very neglectful of me. My mom was not much better. She just never acknowledged how insane my dad was. He was a cactus user too. Every place we lived had all these hippie weirdos coming and going and I was in the middle of the whole mess. I totally hate both of my parents in a lot of ways and I hate hippie culture too haha...

 

[Fender_Bender]

Smoked DMT a few times, never "blasted off" (multiple friends tell me about space travel / meeting aliens / being on spacecraft light years away). Saw what I would describe as organic machinery - an infinitely complex machine that looked like a mix of plumbing and electrical wiring carrying pure energy. The last time I smoked it I almost pooped myself in bed (literally) so I haven't messed with it in a while.

I think of psychedelics as something that always brings more questions than answers. I think of them as a radio antenna or sorts that allow you to briefly "tune in" on some plane of reality that may always exist, we just don't have the brain to detect or witness it. Like UV light or infrared for example. I also think of them as something you can't get too into because you will drive yourself crazy searching for the ULTIMATE TRUTH which is never revealed. The experiences you have on these drugs are like trying to drink the ocean through a coffee stirrer instantly. You just can't process what the hell the cascade of infinite complexity and information going on visually and mentally really is and what it means.

I've been there (going too deep into them) and I started to seriously lose my grip on reality and my real life suffered as a result. The vast majority of people are not cut out to be "modern shamans" and unless you have a trust fund or are sitting on a pile of money without a care in the world it's hard to recommend you try to be.

That said I do not regret my experiences and credit mushrooms for helping me with my fear of death.

I also had sex/had my dick sucked on (both of us)mushrooms once and it was unbelievably good. It's actually a fucking hilarious story that ended with getting cockblocked by a pug sucking on my big toe.

Yeah, that was fucked up.

 

[sterling_archer]

 

[Gorgiass]

I've done 5-MeO-DMT. By itself (no MAOIs). Not regular DMT, either.

It is a disturbing drug. Tread carefully.

Eating it then, I assume?

5-MeO-DMT works orally as is. It’s not that pleasant. It produces a lot of side effects like sour stomach, and other tryptamine style uncomfortable feelings in the body. It’s almost as bad as bufotenine is orally. It's much better sublingually.

However, if 5-MeO-DMT is taken with an MAOI orally, much less is needed and the effects are much nicer. It’s almost like DMT but more mental and less colorful, less visual.

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I apologize 69ron but that is not a good advice! here's a better one:

Do not use 5-MeO-DMT orally with a MAOI.

5-MeO-DMT is of known toxicity when used orally. Not everyone is affected in the same way, but there several cases ending up in Hospitals. You can find several reports in the scientific literature, where even some FATAL cases are documented. The problem is complex and different people are affected in different ways. Current research points to different allels of Cytochrome P450 2D6, that Demethylate 5-MeO-DMT into Bufotenin. This compound for several people can be highly toxic leading to extreme vasoconstriction even on low dosages of 2mg

I have been researching 5-MeO-DMT for some time, specifically on that ROA. If someone really wants to explore that perillous path I would advise to start really low and measure the way up. Starting with possibly 100 mg harmaline and 1 mg 5-MeO, and very gradually, over several days, increase the dosage of 5-Meo-DMT.

An important caveat is that, no matter what someone finds to be good for them with this compound, results should never be extended to other people for the reasons above.

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I have consumed 5-MeO-DMT orally with Caapi Copy. It was hell. Just hell. No real visions except gray tones, but extremely weird and painful physical sensations combined with an intense headache and bad vasoconstriction. I will never consume it orally again. It's great in medium doses sublingually though, even with Caapi Copy.

How can it be that it gives euphoria when absorbed sublingually, but gives dysphoria when consumed orally? Does it follow different metabolic pathways according to route of administration?

All from https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=13240

Sounds like it might be best smoked or under the tongue if you do it. I ate DMT with harmine but never tried the 5MEO. Another thread on that site makes it seem like it's not even worth trying - https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=2106

I also had sex/had my dick sucked on (both of us)mushrooms once and it was unbelievably good. It's actually a fucking hilarious story that ended with getting cockblocked by a pug sucking on my big toe.

Yeah, that was fucked up.

Weird, I only remember having sex on mushrooms once and it was terrible, could barely keep it up and didn't get off. Felt like I was just going through the motions and had no real desire for sex. Was tripping pretty hard though.

 

[Kinko]

RE: 5-MeO-DMT

Alright for the most part these drugs are best for stoners and trippers. Gypsies, weirdos, drunkers, sailors, musicians, and stoners. Mostly you can just get stoned, have a few beers and listen to songs from the band Grateful Dead and you will get the whole drift about what is going on.

Grateful Dead is probably not welcome in fraternity brother communities - but - the band members were all rock stars and some were hippie-alpha type womanizers.

Drugs are a bore compared to screwing lots of cute hippie girls with long straight flowing hair. And Garcia was a hippie warrior and straight up hippie gangster acid pimp.

I am from a hippie family. We had really important messed up moments to share, mostly dysfunctional and broken, and it is is an era that has passed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2mUem7RLNM

 

[Thoughtcrime]

Smoked DMT a few times, never "blasted off" (multiple friends tell me about space travel / meeting aliens / being on spacecraft light years away). Saw what I would describe as organic machinery - an infinitely complex machine that looked like a mix of plumbing and electrical wiring carrying pure energy. The last time I smoked it I almost pooped myself in bed (literally) so I haven't messed with it in a while.

I think of psychedelics as something that always brings more questions than answers. I think of them as a radio antenna or sorts that allow you to briefly "tune in" on some plane of reality that may always exist, we just don't have the brain to detect or witness it. Like UV light or infrared for example. I also think of them as something you can't get too into because you will drive yourself crazy searching for the ULTIMATE TRUTH which is never revealed. The experiences you have on these drugs are like trying to drink the ocean through a coffee stirrer instantly. You just can't process what the hell the cascade of infinite complexity and information going on visually and mentally really is and what it means.

I've been there (going too deep into them) and I started to seriously lose my grip on reality and my real life suffered as a result. The vast majority of people are not cut out to be "modern shamans" and unless you have a trust fund or are sitting on a pile of money without a care in the world it's hard to recommend you try to be.

Pretty much sums up my feelings on tripping. So many people are actually even afraid of admitting that they did it to get get realllly fucked up. It's a surreal high. It doesn't compare to anything else. It really is quite a trip. But this idea that all these people have come away with profound insights from tripping - I'm not buying that. Most of the time it's something very vague. Usually along the lines of 'we are one energy', 'it's all about love', etc., etc. Nothing wrong with these 'insights', but: 1) they are not unique. 2) you continually tripping does not make you a more evolved life form. It's ok to admit that you do it for fun and not for transcendental enlightenment, FFS.

 

[Thoughtcrime]

Alright for the most part these drugs are best for stoners and trippers. Gypsies, weirdos, drunkers, sailors, musicians, and stoners. Mostly you can just get stoned, have a few beers and listen to songs from the band Grateful Dead and you will get the whole drift about what is going on.

Let's also acknowledge just how boring the Grateful Dead is. It's not exactly Led Zeppelin or Beatles.

 

[Thoughtcrime]

I've done 5-MeO-DMT. By itself (no MAOIs). Not regular DMT, either.

It is a disturbing drug. Tread carefully.

Eating it then, I assume?

Actually, no, I smoked it off foil. It's just that it was thoroughly unpleasant. Let me elaborate - it was highly disturbing. I was convinced that my time was over. It did not feel like being high, like tripping. It was not colorful and hilarious, like LSD. It was like somebody was crushing me.

However, after the trip subsided (lasted not much longer than 10 minutes, in total), I felt a wave of euphoria. A warm rush. I guess I was elated to come back to planet earth. To be alive. That it was over.

I read a lot about the experiences people have had with it. Seems like some have had horror stories, like me, while others experienced euphoria. And yet others have managed to somehow sit on the diving line between the horror and the euphoria and maybe experience both simultaneously. Either way, I think that more conventional hallucinogens (acid or shrooms) are more rewarding and less dangerous.

I haven't even heard about the dangers of consuming it orally that you're describing. I'll read about it a bit. Sounds like another reason to avoid it.

That said, with the popularity of ayahuasca, maybe a shaman-guided experience is not so dangerous and even quite worthwhile.

 

[Kinko]

Smoking DMT off tin foil and light bulbs is ghetto and poor posture. Its common too because people interested in hallucinogens-only have no working knowledge of hard drug paraphernalia.

Its smoked out of a glass pipe similar to a Meth pipe or glass Crack pipe. You can see where this is leading?

Its big trouble. Its "hardcore" drug use. There is nothing inicent about smoking DMT crystals. Its hardcore.

I used to manufacture DMT crystals. Its very illegal. I do not recommend this drug to people. And I was born into a hippie family that completely taught me that LSD was the most important and harmless potent drug in the universe meant to be spread around freely.

Be healthy. Please believe me. Do things like exercise, healthy sex, healthy food, cultivate nice social ties. Strengthen your life. Anything but hard drug use. For the most parts its really for losers.

No dmt no lsd no adderall no Modafinl. There are still decent women out there who do not use drugs.

 

[Gorgiass]

Smoking DMT off tin foil and light bulbs is ghetto and poor posture. Its common too because people interested in hallucinogens-only have no working knowledge of hard drug paraphernalia.

Its smoked out of a glass pipe similar to a Meth pipe or glass Crack pipe. You can see where this is leading?

Its big trouble. Its "hardcore" drug use. There is nothing inicent about smoking DMT crystals. Its hardcore.

I used to manufacture DMT crystals. Its very illegal. I do not recommend this drug to people. And I was born into a hippie family that completely taught me that LSD was the most important and harmless potent drug in the universe meant to be spread around freely.

Be healthy. Please believe me. Do things like exercise, healthy sex, healthy food, cultivate nice social ties. Strengthen your life. Anything but hard drug use. For the most parts its really for losers.

No dmt no lsd no adderall no Modafinl. There are still decent women out there who do not use drugs.

Ohhhh wait, so what you've been saying is you don't see any positives to drugs? K, got it. You might want to check out another of the thousands of threads on this forum that better suits your interest then.

Nobody is doing it for women, we're doing it for ourselves. Ayahuasca is just DMT and an MAOI and plenty of guys here have good experiences with that.

 

[Gorgiass]

Smoking DMT off tin foil and light bulbs is ghetto and poor posture. Its common too because people interested in hallucinogens-only have no working knowledge of hard drug paraphernalia.

Its smoked out of a glass pipe similar to a Meth pipe or glass Crack pipe. You can see where this is leading?

Its big trouble. Its "hardcore" drug use. There is nothing inicent about smoking DMT crystals. Its hardcore.

I used to manufacture DMT crystals. Its very illegal. I do not recommend this drug to people. And I was born into a hippie family that completely taught me that LSD was the most important and harmless potent drug in the universe meant to be spread around freely.

Be healthy. Please believe me. Do things like exercise, healthy sex, healthy food, cultivate nice social ties. Strengthen your life. Anything but hard drug use. For the most parts its really for losers.

No dmt no lsd no adderall no Modafinl. There are still decent women out there who do not use drugs.

 

[BB1]

Mike Cernovich documented a positive trip he had with 5-MeO-DMT :

"If you are an atheist, here would be my challenge to you:

Go find some DMT. Go find some 5-MeO-DMT. Buy the ticket and take the ride.

That’s what Danger & Play is all about.

That’s why I don’t try to make broad sweeping generalizations.

I say, “This is what I’ve done. There’s some support for it. Here’s some science behind it. This is why it kind of works. This is why it might not work.”

But ultimately, your journey is your journey. And once you start messing around with this stuff and you start learning about the ego and the ego death and that your conception of Self may or may not be illusory; or that if you affect the pineal gland you concept of Self completely vanishes then you’re going to start to understand that it may not be rational to be an atheist. In fact it might be irrational to be an atheist."

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2014/08/04/5-meo-dmt-spirit-molecule/

 

[Gorgiass]

I've done 5-MeO-DMT. By itself (no MAOIs). Not regular DMT, either.

It is a disturbing drug. Tread carefully.

Eating it then, I assume?

Actually, no, I smoked it off foil. It's just that it was thoroughly unpleasant. Let me elaborate - it was highly disturbing. I was convinced that my time was over. It did not feel like being high, like tripping. It was not colorful and hilarious, like LSD. It was like somebody was crushing me.

However, after the trip subsided (lasted not much longer than 10 minutes, in total), I felt a wave of euphoria. A warm rush. I guess I was elated to come back to planet earth. To be alive. That it was over.

I read a lot about the experiences people have had with it. Seems like some have had horror stories, like me, while others experienced euphoria. And yet others have managed to somehow sit on the diving line between the horror and the euphoria and maybe experience both simultaneously. Either way, I think that more conventional hallucinogens (acid or shrooms) are more rewarding and less dangerous.

I haven't even heard about the dangers of consuming it orally that you're describing. I'll read about it a bit. Sounds like another reason to avoid it.

That said, with the popularity of ayahuasca, maybe a shaman-guided experience is not so dangerous and even quite worthwhile.

Interesting to hear your experience, thanks for sharing.

Ayahuasca is regular DMT combined with an MAOI and is a different chemical than this 5MEO. After reading that thread I'd think twice before trying this stuff either. MAOIs are generally only taken to make a compound orally active. For example if you eat regular DMT you won't trip at all, or at least very little. From what I recall they don't affect other routes of ingestion beyond the intoxicating and maybe somewhat synergistic effects of MAOIs like harmine.

^That's a good read above, Cernovich describes the experience very well.

 

[BB1]

^That's a good read above, Cernovich describes the experience very well.

Its appears many "successful" men do take 5-MeO-DMT - eg. Tim Ferris, Joe Rogan, and apparently quite a few of the top entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley.

 

[Gorgiass]

^That's a good read above, Cernovich describes the experience very well.

Its appears many "successful" men do take 5-MeO-DMT - eg. Tim Ferris, Joe Rogan, and apparently quite a few of the top entrepreneurs in Silicon Valley.

Burning Man is a rite of passage for loads of the "new rich" as Ferris would call them. They don't go there to drink Zima, that's for sure.

 

[Mercenary]

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