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<blockquote data-quote="MartyMcFly" data-source="post: 1491151" data-attributes="member: 22678">But some of the worst US towns and cities are hardcore democratic. Detroit, East St. Louis, and Gary come to mind. I was thinking about the &quot;weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men&quot; idea and sometimes it is true, but for many places in the USA the hard times are not creating strong men. Portland and San Francisco are facing hard times right now. The cities have tons of homeless people, drug abuse, and growing crime rates, and we know about Portland's constant 'mostly peaceful' protests, but will these cities ever really have strong men again?Idaho already seems to have attracted a lot of the same types of people that these Oregon counties think they would be escaping. [URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://www.kxly.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-demonstrating-in-coeur-dalene-additional-group-there-to-protect-idaho/[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://towardfreedom.org/story/boise-in-the-streets-for-black-lives/[/URL][URL unfurl=&quot;true&quot;]https://boisepridefest.org/[/URL]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="MartyMcFly, post: 1491151, member: 22678"] But some of the worst US towns and cities are hardcore democratic. Detroit, East St. Louis, and Gary come to mind. I was thinking about the "weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men" idea and sometimes it is true, but for many places in the USA the hard times are not creating strong men. Portland and San Francisco are facing hard times right now. The cities have tons of homeless people, drug abuse, and growing crime rates, and we know about Portland's constant 'mostly peaceful' protests, but will these cities ever really have strong men again? Idaho already seems to have attracted a lot of the same types of people that these Oregon counties think they would be escaping. [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.kxly.com/black-lives-matter-protesters-demonstrating-in-coeur-dalene-additional-group-there-to-protect-idaho/[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://towardfreedom.org/story/boise-in-the-streets-for-black-lives/[/URL] [URL unfurl="true"]https://boisepridefest.org/[/URL] [/QUOTE]

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