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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lawrence87" data-source="post: 1545287" data-attributes="member: 23052">I'm perfectly aware that it's on men's shoulders to take responsibility and change things, and my post was not intended to deny this. I was merely pointing out that feminists want to have their cake and eat it too. You cannot have sexual liberation and expect that men don't turn you into sexual objects. The one follows from the other. Yes its down to men to stop watching porn and pursuing meaningless sex. I am not saying that women ought to take care of that for us. However it still stands that feminists cannot have sexual liberation without being objectified, that doesn't amount to blaming them or putting it on them to fix the situation. Its just pointing out how blinded feminists are to the harm they are doing to themselves with their views. I don't see where you read all that stuff into my post.</blockquote>